First made-in-Vietnam car rolls off Assembly line

[Viet]

You have no idea how an effective supplier network works to lower the cost, but still have a good quality control. Chevy Sail sells about 600k units in China in the last five years. Not a big number (China's total car sales last year was 24 million units). But the sales volume is sufficient enough to prove its quality. Fall apart in few months. That's nonsense.

Cannot build the car in the $3k cost limitation? Sorry, then your car has zero chance in China. I've told you already, Chevy Sail sells at $6k in China, which sets the price ceiling to your joke fadil ($3k, no more).


interesting. Tell us the following then:
- For a so-called order, how much you need to pay in advance as a deposit? Is the deposit refundable (i.e. if you later cancel the order, can you get your deposit back)?
- Are there any real cars that could be test driving now? Does the so-called 6,700 customers have the chance to do at least one test drive before the order?
- Are they actually "real" customers? Are there any "relationship companies" hidden behind? the investor of the vn car company has a big business in the country. Hence lots of suppliers for different business areas. For a big company, it is so easy to request (in a subtle way) its suppliers to order some vehicles as a proof of friendship. I guess even a large portion of the orders are done by the company itself (or its subsidiary). For example, how about "buy one property, get the usage right of the car for 12 or 24 months"?


you call this test report? where is the test then? I don't understand the vn language. But at least I can watch. All that I can see is a man walking around the car, like a sales person. He even not opens up the car door to let others see how the interior is, how the space of the rear row is, how the console is, how much soft materials, how much hard materials, any high tech features there, etc and etc. Needless to say a real drive to show how the driving performance is. Nothing at all! Only walking around the car from the outside. And you call it as a TEST!

I guess very likely the car door is locked. Or the car company does not allow the guy to open the door. This is not J20 or F22. What are they trying to hide?

Let me show you what a real car test video looks like. India media test drive the Chinese cars. We can see the car from inside, outside, and more importantly, driving.

BTW, the red SUV you see, MG HS, is priced starting from RMB 120k/ USD 18k. Compared to the joke Fadil with the same price, tell me which you think Chinese customers would choose?

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Come on man, instead of bad mouthing, how about sending a congrats to Vietnam for having a domestic car? How many countries in the world have domestic brands? Your neighbor having a car industry is a thing you should be proud of. And again, VF strategy is not cheapness, not to produce a $3k car, not to produce the cheapest car in the world. That is your strategy.

Selling cars to China is probably difficult because you like cheapness, however there are other markets with people not looking for cheap: America, Japan, Germany or countries in ASEAN, India and Pakistan. Even if you don’t buy, how’s about to support VN car industry? You can provide car parts or technologies. You are missing the train. Here a recent event; Supplier workshop meeting in Frankfurt, Germany

 

[GS Zhou]

Come on man, instead of bad mouthing

if anyone in this thread that has a bad mouth, it is you, not me. It is you that start the brag that this joke car will be sold in China. Hence it is very natural for others to make some very basic comparison like price, performance, size, etc, to asses its winning chance. The assessment result unfortunately not supports your brag. Then you become annoyed, and start to call other "bad mouth". If you don't like such "bad mouth", next time you'd better be more prudent and not start the brag at the first place.

VF strategy is not cheapness

It's not about strategy, it's about capability. The capability on R&D efficiency, on supplier management, on lean manufacturing.

Even if we forgot the car price in China, but concentrate on the car price in Vietnam only. Your joke fadil is still much more expensive than Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, or Chevrolet's pricing in Vietnam. Or you want to tell us cheapness is the strategy of these reputable Japanese/Korean/American car companies?

I think we can move on. Unless you can give us more direct/hard proof to support the insane pricing. For example, maybe this is a flying car that can travel at light speed?

 

[Kai Liu]

Come on man, instead of bad mouthing, how about sending a congrats to Vietnam for having a domestic car? How many countries in the world have domestic brands? Your neighbor having a car industry is a thing you should be proud of. And again, VF strategy is not cheapness, not to produce a $3k car, not to produce the cheapest car in the world. That is your strategy.

Selling cars to China is probably difficult because you like cheapness, however there are other markets with people not looking for cheap: America, Japan, Germany or countries in ASEAN, India and Pakistan. Even if you don’t buy, how’s about to support VN car industry? You can provide car parts or technologies. You are missing the train. Here a recent event; Supplier workshop meeting in Frankfurt, Germany

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A beggar pretending to be Warren Buffett, this is your so-called "strategy"...

 

[Viet]

if anyone in this thread that has a bad mouth, it is you, not me. It is you that start the brag that this joke car will be sold in China. Hence it is very natural for others to make some very basic comparison like price, performance, size, etc, to asses its winning chance. The assessment result unfortunately not supports your brag. Then you become annoyed, and start to call other "bad mouth". If you don't like such "bad mouth", next time you'd better be more prudent and not start the brag at the first place.


It's not about strategy, it's about capability. The capability on R&D efficiency, on supplier management, on lean manufacturing.

Even if we forgot the car price in China, but concentrate on the car price in Vietnam only. Your joke fadil is still much more expensive than Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, or Chevrolet's pricing in Vietnam. Or you want to tell us cheapness is the strategy of these reputable Japanese/Korean/American car companies?

I think we can move on. Unless you can give us more direct/hard proof to support the insane pricing. For example, maybe this is a flying car that can travel at light speed?

I don’t get it, why is it a joke if VF wanting to sell cars in China? Ok if the price is set too high or the quality doesn’t meet consumers expectations then VF will certainly fail, be in CN or elsewhere. VF wants to establish an office in Shanghai I don’t know if your government has approved it or not.


https://e.vnexpress.net/news/busine...ry-gets-license-korea-china-next-3785562.html

The price is relatively high because the company still relies on expensive imports but I think that will change once the domestic companies can supply parts, and that’s happening as we speak. Although it’s not easy to get the technology, because nobody wants to hand over the technology to a potential competitor.

 

[Kai Liu]

I don’t get it, why is it a joke if VF wanting to sell cars in China? Ok if the price is set too high or the quality doesn’t meet consumers expectations then VF will certainly fail, be in CN or elsewhere. VF wants to establish an office in Shanghai I don’t know if your government has approved it or not.


https://e.vnexpress.net/news/busine...ry-gets-license-korea-china-next-3785562.html

No one is preventing you from setting up business here, because it is you to pay the money to us... And we are glad to receive it. But it can not disprove that this vinfast is a joke and is going to die, based on the perception of brand image anything related to vn here in China... billion people hold the same view as Chinese here like me toward something from vn... To change this, if ever you can, it takes decades... And by then, this company is long dead...

 

[GS Zhou]

I don’t get it, why is it a joke if VF wanting to sell cars in China? Ok if the price is set too high or the quality doesn’t meet consumers expectations then VF will certainly fail, be in CN or elsewhere. VF wants to establish an office in Shanghai I don’t know if your government has approved it or not.


https://e.vnexpress.net/news/busine...ry-gets-license-korea-china-next-3785562.html

The price is relatively high because the company still relies on expensive imports but I think that will change once the domestic companies can supply parts, and that’s happening as we speak. Although it’s not easy to get the technology, because nobody wants to hand over the technology to a potential competitor.

Very nice, after the many rounds of back & forth, at least we reach alignment on the following points:
- the vn car has zero competence today. Definitely to fail in the China market, unless the products could be thoroughly upgraded.
- the vn car has an unreasonably high price, which has NOTHING to do with the so-called strategy (your original quote: "VF strategy is not cheapness"), but because of the poor capability (which is also your quote: "The price is relatively high because the company still relies on expensive imports; it’s not easy to get the technology")

VF wants to establish an office in Shanghai I don’t know if your government has approved it or not.

welcome to Shanghai. Does vf needs my recommendation of the best office area in Shanghai?

 

[Viet]

No one is preventing you from setting up business here, because it is you to pay the money to us... And we are glad to receive it. But it can not disprove that this vinfast is a joke and is going to die, based on the perception of brand image anything related to vn here in China... billion people hold the same view as Chinese here like me toward something from vn... To change this, if ever you can, it takes decades... And by then, this company is long dead...

Ok you can continue to write vn in small letter, like does the other guy, ok it is a joke, happy now? I really don’t care of. You shouldn’t make the mistake though thinking cn is the sole market. VN exports achieved a 100 percent jump in the weak January comparing to the month January of last 4 years or so. The January is usually a weak month because of Tet.If the trend continues, VN trade volumes will reach $500b or $600b this year, and probably $1 trillion in 4 or 5 years.

The world is big.

http://bizhub.vn/news/vns-january-trade-turnover-at-highest-level-in-years_303450.html

 

[313ghazi]

Good morning congratulations Vietnam.

Hopefully it will be a car for the people.

 

[GS Zhou]

Ok you can continue to write vn in small letter, like does the other guy, it is a joke, happy now? I really don’t care of. You shouldn’t make the mistake though thinking cn is the sole market. VN exports achieved a 100 percent jump in the weak January comparing to the last 4 years. The January is usually a weak month because of Tet. The world is big.

If the trend continues, VN trade volumes will reach $500b or $600b this year, and probably $1 trillion in 4 or 5 years.

Just one very humble advice from my side: NO brag, until the achievement is done.

For example, no Chinese member makes any brag on China's high speed train network, until China builds the world largest one. Also no Chinese member makes any brag on the Chinese brands smartphone, until Huawei/Xiaomi/Oppo/Vivo really becomes the top sellers (or at least one of) in almost all countries.

Brag with hard facts that are really worth of bragging. That's my humble advice to you.

 

[Viet]

Just one very humble advice from my side: NO brag, until the achievement is done.

For example, no Chinese member makes any brag on China's high speed train network, until China builds the world largest one. Also no Chinese member makes any brag on the Chinese brands smartphone, until Huawei/Xiaomi/Oppo/Vivo really becomes the top sellers (or at least one of) in almost all countries.

Brag with hard facts that are really worth of bragging. That's my humble advice to you.

It’s not bragging, it’s advertising. This forum is a free and valuable ads platform. VF cars will become available in August, why bragging when opening a thread to promote the models? Ok you are right, VN made cars are not suitable for CN market. We will have better chance in price less sensitive countries in Japan and Pakistan.

As for HSR, VN will finalize the plan this year and start construction next year. I would not be surprised if we clone CN high speed rail. We copy many things from China including chopsticks why not HSR too? No worry I will open a thread when more info are available.

 

[GS Zhou]

We will have better chance in price less sensitive countries in Japan

what I can say。。。
live in your illusion then. You have every right for a very beautiful day dream.

Anyway, we can move on. The discussion is getting boring.

 

[Viet]

The first picture is almost there. All you need is Vietnamese girls in wedding gowns to imply that buy the car, get yourself a mail order bride.

This car company should team up with a mail order bride agency. The more expensive the car, the better looking the bride.



Are you the guy telling people to buy the dong as its the next currency to appreciate? The dong scheme.

Ok you can make joke on Viet girls as you like. Can you tell me why Taiwan has one of the lowest birth rate in the world. Are most of TW Chinese gay or impotent as widely speculated?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Just one very humble advice from my side: NO brag, until the achievement is done.

For example, no Chinese member makes any brag on China's high speed train network, until China builds the world largest one. Also no Chinese member makes any brag on the Chinese brands smartphone, until Huawei/Xiaomi/Oppo/Vivo really becomes the top sellers (or at least one of) in almost all countries.

Brag with hard facts that are really worth of bragging. That's my humble advice to you.

Cnese here keep bragging day and night that SCS( east VN sea), a core Cnese interest, is" CN back yard".

But what happen in real life ?? Due to Cnese IQ is low and PLA only know stupid human wave tactic, so CN only control 10-12% despite Deng begging help from Jap-US since 1978 to attack and sanction VN while VN control abt 60-65 % there.

So, u guys'd better be humble, stop bragging abt SCS( east VN sea) till u can take another 50% from VN .

 

[Viet]

what I can say。。。
live in your illusion then. You have every right for a very beautiful day dream.

Anyway, we can move on. The discussion is getting boring.

Have you got your personal problem with illusion? Boring? No way. Look, in contrast to you, the North Koreans seem very interested in VF cars. I think they will be the first customers to buy some cars for Kim Jung Un.

 

[GS Zhou]

the North Koreans seem very interested in VF cars. I think they will be the first customers to buy some cars for Kim Jung Un.

haha, you are keeping talking stupid words, which could only reflect that you know nothing about the markets that you want to sell your joke vf cars to, no matter it is the Chinese market, or the North Korean market. But the lack of knowledge unfortunately cannot stop you making brags again and again.

Sell your fxxking expensive joke vn cars to North Korea? Do you know how price sensitive North Korea is?

Show you some examples. All are the cars used by the North Korean government for very serious / high profile situations.

The policy cars shown on the past leader Kim Jong-il's funeral. Any idea what the car is?

It is BYD F6, made by the Chinese car company BYD. Starting price: RMB 79.8k, i.e. USD 12k.

BYD F6 is with a comparable size to Chevy Malibu. Ok, a Chevy Malibu alike car priced at USD 12k; but you joke fadil, a Chevy Spark alike car, is priced at USD 18k. You think North Korea could accept such insane price?

Another example. North Korea's women soccer team won the East Asian Cup in 2015. The DPRK government gives new cars to the women soccer team members as the reward. The picture released from the Korean news agency does not show vehicle logo. But it is not difficult to figure out that the reward car is a BYD F3.

Picture from the DPRK news agency

Picture of BYD F3. Compare the location of the turning light, rear-view mirror, the small black pillar in between the B- & C-pillar, shape of the front/rear windows, also the wheels. You can find this is the same car.

Guess its price? Its starting price is CNY 43.9k, i.e. $6.5k.

BYD F3 is with a comparable size to Chevy Cruze. A Chevy Cruze alike car is $6.5k, but you joke fadil, Chevy Spark alike, needs $18k.

Save your stupid words. And show some basic knowledge on the stuff that you are talking about!