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How is promoting peace directly responsible for your conclusion that those are facts. Those are not facts, the temperature reading outside from a certified thermometer can be facts, people dying lf hunger in a third world country documented by multiple witnesses and photographs could be facts - however, your assertion that a messaging for peace overture which even the Quaid proposed prior to partition and then linking APS, 71 (lets link 1857 as well then!) is traitorous is ridiculous.

You can save pictures of it but as with any predictions, you have to be able to think on the opposite side as well.. what if you are wrong?

The word peace from the mouth of an army man is an admission of defeat. We don't pay Bajwa to bleat about peace, we pay him to wage war. This is a negligence of his duty, especially when his counterpart shows no desire for peace, and funded think tanks are clamoring for war and terrorism in Baluchistan. I live in an advanced, educated society and I know such a dereliction of duty would create a nationwide furor. But on top of neglecting his duty, he also imposes an iron will on Pakistan. Hand on heart, tell me, if a journalist tried to write what I am writing, what would happen? If I am in Pakistan what would happen? I can tell you - I would disappear without a trace. He is the unchallenged stalwart of peace and patriot by suppressing contrarian voices. Yes, this is treason.

You’re the one saying its a pudding, Im saying you see eggs in one room and milk in another city but are calling it a pudding - there is no onus to convince you but rather refuting what you are asserting.
Let me use the same hypothesis along the same lines you’re presenting your case:

Any pdf member can plain see critical thought has been rallying against a government and military ever since it seemed that the Afghanistan issue would be resolved and India taken out of promoting terrorism in Pakistan - hence and I conclude that Critical Thought is a RAW agent set out to destabilize the country with his family running on CIA funds.

Nothing in the above is any less meritorious than the content of your posts.

The main assertion of OP is very simple. Imran Khan's single point agenda is increasing the tax net in local currency to pay off debt in dollars. And all the usual means of raising dollars have been systematically sabotaged and cut off. The only thing left is a beggar like, humiliating dependence on overseas Pakistanis. This is humiliating. You are being humiliated. And you cannot see it. No wonder Pakistan is the laughing stock of the world. People laugh at you, and I have seen with my own two eyes people laughing at Pakistan.

And every single suggestion I have made for raising dollars is well supported. Instead of discussing those points, you are raising a ruckus about puddings and eggs. You are pointedly avoiding discussing the main points. Because then it will become evident that I am talking a lot of sense.
 
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LOL, you are so full of yourself, in layman's terms its called being full of shit.

Since you just have a suzuki mehran and not a bugati in your garage it must be incometence of your father, right?

I am replying to your comment in this thread because it makes more sense.

Yes, if the father fails to invest his money properly, the family is doomed to suzuki mehran forever. In order to move up the financial ladder, business and investment are essential. If the father fails to do this, he is financially incompetent.

@ziaulislam
 
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I am replying to your comment in this thread because it makes more sense.

Yes, if the father fails to invest his money properly, the family is doomed to suzuki mehran forever. In order to move up the financial ladder, business and investment are essential. If the father fails to do this, he is financially incompetent.

@ziaulislam
Three more soldiers died todsy because we cant provide 100-200 MRAPs or high intensive survillance through drones in wazristan, quetta and some areas of balochistan

Cost is not an issue here..its incompetence

MRAPs are availble in open market so are drones
 
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Three more soldiers died todsy because we cant provide 100-200 MRAPs or high intensive survillance through drones in wazristan, quetta and some areas of balochistan

Cost is not an issue here..its incompetence

MRAPs are availble in open market so are drones

On this thread, let's limit the discussion to the misconception shown by @Thorough Pro regarding finances. It is not enough to pay taxes, or in the analogy, it is not enough for the father to earn an income.
 
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NOTE: This article includes suggestions about dealing in interest bearing instruments. Interest is Haram in Islam and the author abides by this Islamic teaching. Unfortunately, a discussion on the problems of Pakistan's interest based economy necessarily needs to include interest based solutions. The discussion on how to convert the economy to a non-interest one is out of the scope of this article, and beyond the capabilities of this author. More knowledgeable people and actual religious scholars are encouraged to inform everyone on this very important topic.

I have on many occasions criticized the Bajwa-Khan duopoly that has ensnared Pakistan within its heinous tentacles. I have maintained that this regime is taking Pakistan towards complete Western takeover and eventual secession into multiple independent countries. One important component of this heinous crime is financial subjugation of Pakistan. I feel thehas shown its true nature by perpetrating terrorist policies, and the time is now ripe to bare these policies in front of Pakistan.

First let us review the high level roadmap of BKT's malicious plan:

1. Circa April 2019 - Imran Khan accepts the existence of terrorists in Pakistan during visit to Iran, thus going against Gen Raheel's policy to deny the existence of terrorists within Pakistan. https://www.dawn.com/news/1477837

2. Circa May 2019 - Influence China to stop blocking the declaration of Maulana Masood Azhar as a global terrorist. https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/465278-un-to-declare-masood-azhar-a-global-terrorist-today

3. Circa June 2019 - Pakistan is put into the FATF gray list. https://www.dawn.com/news/1418143

So far, everyone can understand the anti-Pakistan machinations of these traitors. In this article, we shall discuss at length the more obscure parts of this plan:

4. Circa June 2019 - Pakistan agrees to IMF conditions that go against its national interests. The relevant program can be accessed here: https://www.imf.org/en/Publications...he-Extended-Fund-Facility-Press-Release-47092

5. Under the IMF program, a huge focus is given to increasing government revenue through tax collection. This has been a multi-year odyssey of the PTI government.

6. Under the IMF program, key financial positions are given to IMF agents. The Governor State Bank Raza Baqir, FBR Chairman Shabbar Zaidi, and Adviser later to be Finance Minister Hafeez Shaikh have all served in IMF or World Bank.

7. A superfluous strengthening of the Rupee is seen which is followed by a sudden drop.

8. A superfluous improvement in Current Account Deficit is seen which is followed by a sharp increase.

9. The agenda of privatizing key government entities is pushed.

10. No attention to flight/loss of capital in the name of 'exports'.

All the while, no one amongst Pakistan's intelligentsia and political elite has the motivation or capability to speak truthfully about the country's troubles and how to fix them. This gives a free hand to BKT to shamelessly tout their treason as economic growth and improvement.

In what follows, I will first explain the real problem being faced by Pakistan, and the actual solutions needed to fix them. It will be abundantly clear how BKT's policies amount to financial terrorism.

Dollars - Pakistan's biggest problem

Pakistan's biggest problem today is the dollar denominated debt that needs to be paid to the tune of approximately 10 billion dollars every year. Any sensible person would argue that Pakistan needs to generate dollars to pay back this debt. Instead, under IMF dictation, the sole focus is on revenue collection in Rupees. These need to be converted into dollars, thus weakening the rupee even further just by paying back debt. The practical outcome of this insidious policy is the strengthening of PKR when debt was temporarily suspended due to COVID. As soon as the COVID crises ended, the PKR lost that strength. This is exactly the IMF plan to keep a country forever indebted: by focusing on revenue collection in the vernacular currency, subjecting the country to exchange rate shocks when it is converted into dollars on the international market.

Instead of highlighting this fundamental problem and discussing solutions for it, BKT has built and controlled a false narrative around CAD (Current Account Deficit) and revenue generation.

So this is Pakistan's question to BKT terrorists: why are you forwarding IMF's agenda to keep Pakistan under ever increasing debt?

Earning dollars - The fix for Pakistan's problems

Let us discuss the means through which Government of Pakistan can earn dollars.

Holding US Treasuries

Economically powerful nations keep a part of their dollar reserves in the form of US Treasuries. Japan and China are two of the biggest holders of such bonds. The key benefit of holding T-Bills is that they are interest bearing. Instead of money sitting idle in the reserve, treasures generate more dollars, albeit the inflation adjusted outcome my still be negative. A sound economic policy must include treasuries within the reserve basket.

Investment through Sovereign Wealth Fund

The IMF supports the formation of 'Sovereign Wealth Fund' and has done a lot of work in the recent past to define acceptable practices around the management of such funds. This is one case where at least some Pakistanis have tried activism to raise awareness. Googling for 'Pakistan Sovereign Wealth Fund' brings up the page for an advocacy group that aims to free Pakistan from its current financial shackles. But under BKT leadership, no work has been done on this very important front.

The management of an SWF cannot be left simply in the hands of foreign managers. Pakistan needs professionals of highest caliber, who are also patriotic Pakistanis, to manage such a fund. But again, we find complete absence of policy and direction from BKT in creating the required human resource for this.

Careful investment by an SWF can be a powerful tool to earn dollars that can be used to pay off Pakistan's debts. The complete absence of Treasuries and SWF from BKT's economic plan shows either incompetence or subversion. In either case, this presents an extremely poor picture of BKT's three year tenure.

Government enterprises for exporting goods and services

This is a sordid chapter of BKT's reign. Imran Khan seems take an almost fetishistic interest in selling off PIA and Steel Mills. Thankfully, there is a PAF general heading PIA which has been the saving grace. Otherwise, Imran Khan's own minister has gone out of his way to ensure the demise of the national carrier:


The saga of the licenses of Pakistani pilots was a direct attack on Pakistan's economic well-being. Most people have been fed the propaganda of state run enterprises being inefficient. Be that as it may, there is nothing to suggest that state owned enterprises should also be inefficient. Unfortunately, in an environment of misgovernance, the past experiment with a German CEO has not borne any fruit. But this is misgovernance. PIA can earn valuable foreign exchange for the government if managed properly. And given its potential and the state of Pakistan's economy, this should have been one of the highest priority projects.

Similarly for Steel Mills. Export of high quality steel or finished products can become a big source of dollars, but again the enemies of Pakistan are making every single effort to make sure that dollar revenues are denied to Government of Pakistan.

The current crisis is the perfect case for creating government owned enterprises that lead to both domestic job creation and exports earnings. Why is no attention being paid to this important aspect? And why is BKT taking a completely 180 degrees approach?

Dollar denominated excise and customs

Yet another source of dollars can be duties and taxes on imports that are denominated in dollars. This author does not have the necessary data regarding dollarization of the tax regime, but had this been implemented properly, we would see a generous revenue stream.

A regime focused on destruction

The reader should now have a fairly good idea of what good economic management would look like. Which immediately shows BKT's economic management as not just disastrous, but outright anti-Pakistan. Let us now discuss another false narrative - rising exports.

It is true that Pakistani exports are doing much better than before. But what is not being discussed is the loss of revenue. This is how the export model of many Pakistani companies is structured. They have sister companies in Western countries that finalize business deals. These sister companies then proceed to buy goods and services at cost from their local operations and sell them at a profit. Pakistan only receives the cost in dollars whereas the real profit is kept overseas. This author is not aware of any studies into the size of this revenue loss, but just this component can easily run into billions of dollars.

Similarly, Foreign Direct Investment, or FDI is pushed as a silver bullet, especially by IMF. But FDI can be a double edged sword. Without proper government oversight, FDI can lead to dollar outflows. It is for this reason that well managed countries have mechanisms for deep government oversight. Take a look at how the Australian government reviews foreign investment:


Conclusion

It should be abundantly clear to the reader that the has been installed by the enemies of Pakistan to further their agenda of economic and financial terrorism. Until and unless this nation learns to take its leaders to task and make them pay for their crimes, Pakistan will remain a joke in the eyes of the world. The common man will continue to suffer under exorbitant prices and lack of services. When will Pakistan wake up and rise?

Key assumptions/issues in the this post cum rant:

1. Loans are bad, we must get rid of all loans.

No, loans are good. Debt financing is cheaper than equity financing as it boosts quick growth. The only important thing is, interest rate should be low & whatever you are investing in should be able to produce good profits to cover loan instalment + interest.

Example:
Senario1 If interest rates are reasonable, I can buy a car today and rent it for uber. Renting earns me enough money cover cost of financing the car. After 5 years, I get a free car. (Although slightly used)

Senario2 I didn't have lump sum money to buy, so I restrict every other important expenditure and I save for 5 years. Still after 5 years of sacrifice I still have no car. Cars have got more expensive in the last 5 years I had been saving.

Hence Senario 1 is clearly better than Senario 2. On a country level, a healthy level of debt to gdp ratio plus a low amount of trade deficit/ or a trade surplus is desirable. An inflation amount of approximately 5% is also desirable.

2. Bjawa is no Economist
Author assumes Bajwa approves state loans & borrowings. It is a ridiculous proposition.

3. Circular debt is not Imran Khan's creation
Imran khan did not bring along Billions of circular debt. Neither he has been investing in useless, profit less, high interest projects. Those all have been from Nawaz & Zardari. Imran khan has been trying to take all the right steps, from revising contracts with IPPs, to getting penalties waved off, bringing in boost in textile & auto industry. Keep in mind due to covid even in 1st world countries people and businesses are going bankrupt every day.

4. FDI is good for country. Pakistan is not at all competitive in terms of benefits offered by our country to foreign investors. Various incentives are offered, but you need to be a big investor and take a high level delegation and meet with government officials yourself. Hence, we need to be more competitive. Rather than play down FDI. And we need to have a standard policy on import duty relief & taxes incentives. It should be on a website for all the world to see.

5. There is no escaping IMF
We wont be able to get rid of IMF without: Making cheap gas & electricity, unfortunately due to lack of interest of previous governments no dams were made. IK is trying to get several small dams made for water security. Some micro hydro projects are working in KPK. Bhasha dam is under making, which should have been complete about 2-3 decades ago. Plus the transmission system of country needs a massive overhaul. We have huge line losses. Which causes unit price to increase because lost electricity needs to be charged to someone. Including electricity theft.

6. Government has no business running power, telecom, distribution, steel mills etc.
Government's role should be of oversight, policy making, tax collection, planning. Any private firm is more profitable than a government run any day. PTCL improved after privatisation, although not much, main reason - no competition. If LESCO, IESCO, KESC etc are all privatised and there are multiple providers, then there would be much better revenue collection. More investment in reducing line losses and more recoveries. This nation needs to understand that state owned monopolies are the worst performing companies! Privatization is good, state owned companies are usually highly inefficient. Moreover do you know? Our trains are so old no one makes spare parts for them? We are running more expensive and less powerful, fuel guzzlers and even their repair costs are higher than brand new trains! Why on earth do we still think letting inept BA fail politicians run a country is better? Everything should be privatised in my opinion, this is how it is mostly in the west. PIA has the highest amount of staff per jet, yet poor service, low profitability. Even much reputed and luxury airlines like emirates or qatar has much leaner operations, less than half the staff per aircraft. What saving face? We can get more in royalties if we privatise these shit "national assets" versus the losses they keep generating. Not to talk about the gazillions of political, merit less appointment all these "assets" have. Plus the unions that we have in them, a group of inept people, propagating for more money for free loaders!


7. Molvis having problem with Islamic banking too
There is no fix that can get rid of interest. Specially when some moulvis are not even agreeing on Islamic banking which is the next available better option. It may not satisfy 100% of the stricter Islamic law interpreters, but it is the lesser evil. And state should promote it & incentivise it. Also note, some scholars consider charging of interest by a bank to be halal as it is usually a low % (anywhere from 1%-25% depending on loan & risk type).They say that Islam strongly discouraged practise of interest because Arabs of that time were charging 50-100+% more back than lent. However current interest rates are competitive and loans can be paid back, the system works perfectly as we know in the west. (Should be supported by a system for insurance/Takaful, and free health cover by state, basic payments for unemployed) This is separate topic, but we need to move to the next step of debate. We have been stuck on Sood haram ha lehaza sab band krodo from decades!

This is a topic of finance. Financial and economic knowledge is important to have an informed opinion. Religious scholars who have in depth financial knowledge as well should be the only ones allowed to debate on issue of interest.

Imran Khan I believe is on right track. The problems are too big & complex. It would take long time. In democracy, things take time to get spoilt, they get time to be fixed. At least we are haring the right kind of discussions these days which were absent before this.
 
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What if he does not have any money to invest in the first place?
My point was that one should wish for things that he can afford, with limited resources (for whatever reason) the allocation is done to top priority items first, but some idiots can't understand the basic logic.


I am replying to your comment in this thread because it makes more sense.

Yes, if the father fails to invest his money properly, the family is doomed to suzuki mehran forever. In order to move up the financial ladder, business and investment are essential. If the father fails to do this, he is financially incompetent.

@ziaulislam
So are Bugatti's how many have you bought? there are a million things available in the market because this is a sellers world, the point is how much money you have in your pockets?

Three more soldiers died todsy because we cant provide 100-200 MRAPs or high intensive survillance through drones in wazristan, quetta and some areas of balochistan

Cost is not an issue here..its incompetence

MRAPs are availble in open market so are drones
 
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What if he does not have any money to invest in the first place?
My point was that one should wish for things that he can afford, with limited resources (for whatever reason) the allocation is done to top priority items first, but some idiots can't understand the basic logic.

If he doesn't have the money, he can always take a loan. But if you want to compare with Pakistan, you do have the money, heck you even have businesses (PIA, Steel Mills), but you are too incompetent to invest or do business. So it comes down to incompetence.
 
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Guys, I just recently watched a discussion between two very important religious scholars (one of them was Imran Nazar Hussein , I'm sure some of you would know him already).

The other person said in a response to a question that there were 3 plans against Pakistan, that anti Pakistan forces had planned. First was to physically dismember it, it failed after/ around 2012, when Pakistan was able to contain the menace of terrorism somewhat... Second one was to bleed it financially and economically, and that plan would die when IK's people leave. He didn't mention the third plan, my personal guess though is that eventually these forces would resort to materializing a full scale war between India and Pakistan, in the hopes of neutralizing our nuclear program.

I have great regard for the other personality, he is a spiritual scholar, and have been following him for the last ten years. He has also said that the next government/ setup would be a presidential democracy (you guys can call it danday wali sarkar). So the next setup would end our financial woes once and for all.

I don't blame IK, as he's just being a useful idiot in this whole thing, still unaware of the ground situation, surrounded by professional groups of flatterers.

I also don't blame Bajwa I think they too don't have any further ideas, as to what to do next.

I therefore agree with the idea of the article/OPs's post, that we are being bled economically through the current setup.

In a few months, things would further get out of hands economically, I think.

Bro we are clawing our way out for the twin deficit debt trap that is a result of decade of economic mismanagement, to destroy us from within.

You don't realise the facts,

The $19b Current account deficit along with artificially manipulated currency to promote outflow of cash that made us a bitch of imf.

The corruption kickbacks in the power sector agreements that pinned down this nation.

The rekodik, karkeys corruption.

You want to escape from western imposed financial colonisation of Pakistan. Start with hanging the corrupt bastards one is applying for asylum in UK the other one is leeching karachi to the core and is planning for an another round of loot and plunder.

@SQ8 sir unless the thread has genuine reasoning and sources please close this thread. Unless one wants to turn a factual forum into siasat.pk for political propaganda. I see a severely depressed person who might need a psychiatrist rather than being allowed to give political economic lectures.
 
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The $19b Current account deficit along with artificially manipulated currency to promote outflow of cash that made us a bitch of imf.

Let me simplify this for you. The plan that your leader has come up with to deal with this situation, leads to further exacerbating the situation. It simply shifts the problem of CAD to the problem of high debt and weakening rupee. That is the main point of OP and this thread.
 
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Let me simplify this for you. The plan that your leader has come up with to deal with this situation, leads to further exacerbating the situation. It simply shifts the problem of CAD to the problem of high debt and weakening rupee. That is the main point of OP and this thread.

High debt is the result of CAD going out of control, not the other way around.

When your own expenditure exceeds your income over a period of time this leads to a cycle of unsustainable debt. CAD and Primary Account deficit are the major reason for this. To a point the situation becomes so dire that your interest payments become a burden and new debt has to be taken, the classic debt trap leaving us no option but to go to IMF to keep the country running.

This is what the current setup is doing is exactly what's needed to have some level of self reliance promote productivity in a society rather than manipulating currency, printing notes and soffocaring local industries, just to get better rates for money laundering.

Stop with the mental maturbation, illogical gymnastics and murder of logic.
 
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High debt is the result of CAD going out of control, not the other way around.

When your own expenditure exceeds your income over a period of time this leads to a cycle of unsustainable debt. CAD and Primary Account deficit are the major reason for this. To a point the situation becomes so dire that your interest payments become a burden and new debt has to be taken, the classic debt trap leaving us no option but to go to IMF to keep the country running.

This is what the current setup is doing is exactly what's needed to have some level of self reliance promote productivity in a society rather than manipulating currency, printing notes and soffocaring local industries, just to get better rates for money laundering.

Stop with the mental maturbation, illogical gymnastics and murder of logic.

First of all, I am the one who is leading this discussion. Don't strut around like you are an expert.

Second, the fact of the matter is that your leader has sought to subvert the discussion by constructing an argument around CAD. So let me give you some education. There is a concept more generalized than Current Account and its deficit. It's called Balance of Payments. The components of Balance of Payments are so intricately linked, that it is an outright lie to say 'X component is a result of Y'. Hence, your statement 'High debt is the result of CAD going out of control, not the other way around' is ill-informed and shows that you are an amateur talking about concepts you don't understand.

What has been going on through successive governments now is economic jugglery to score points from an ill-informed nation. Ishaq Dar artificially strengthened the rupee, but let the Current Account Deficit slide. Since there is no single person who is the equivalent of Ishaq Dar in the Imran Khan setup, I will say that Imran Khan initially made non-sustainable improvement to CAD, and because of that non-sustainability, we are now seeing a massive relapse. On top of that, massive external debt has been piled on. Quite conveniently for Imran Khan, external debt shows up nowhere in the entire Balance of Payments equation, only the debt that is being serviced shows up as outflow and the transfer of funds from debt as an inflow. Debt improves the Balance of Payments by increasing the positive inflows into the economy. And thus, external debt is the hidden variable into which Imran Khan has shoved his incompetence, while shamelessly harping about an unsustainable improvement to CAD.

The real problem is how Pakistan as a country and the government as an entity can earn more dollars to pay off the debt. This problem is not addressed by anyone, thus fulfilling the foreign agenda to keep Pakistan in a debt trap.
 
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