Finally! India to Sign Rafale Deal by December! Draft Contract Prepared!

[风之南国]

Congratulated the Indian Air Force

 

[janon]

I am not Safriz, whoever he is.

Ask @WebMaster to check my IPs, posts, or whatever evidence he requires.

I would've responded to your post but since you are coming at it from a very different angle, it is useless.

You can re-read my post without the bias of me being "Safriz" whatever. Understand that I'm coming from a very neutral, and well-informed, background. Reply to my posts with that in mind..and we might have some conversation.

If you are that neutral and objective, surely you can ignore the first word of my post and respond to the content. Whether you are Safriz or Erdogan, my response would be the same. I am not "coming at it from a different angle" - my post was completely factual.

 

[kaykay]

Now they should go for 36 Rafales from France directly and remaining 90 at home. It will save some time.

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

@janon

I'm sure you know that the IAF evaluated the F-16 block 60 and found it lacking for their needs. The F-16 block 52 is no match at all for newer fighters like EF, Rafale, or even the smaller Gripen-NG.

IAF also found Euro Fighter lacking in their needs. It is not a very good argument.

F-16 block 60s are still very potent jets.

That doesn't mean that your F-16s will lose every time; it just means that the odds are heavily stacked against them, and in favour of the newer, MUCH MORE capable jets.

I would disagree with the use of this word, other than that, I agree.

Odds will definitely favor Rafales against F-16Cs....

Now you could wish that fact away by singing the tired old song about how your pilots are so much better than ours, but that is merely a jingoistic bluster to excuse the inferiority of your equipment.

That's why I told you I am not Safriz and you are coming at it from a completely different angle.

 

[Ragnar]

Hadh ho gyi drame ki.. 10 year old competition, and even contract not signed. Nalaykon pungi bajo aur doob maro.

 

[AMCA]

They are.

Latest F-16 block 52+ are very sophisticated fighter jets. Yes, Rafale is better, but it doesn't mean that it will "eat up" F-16C/D. It'd be a very, very tough fight between these two jets flown by very good pilots...especially if F-16s is being flown by what are amongst the best pilots of the world. (I have an acquittance in Turkish Defense Administration who have----lets just say---"worked with" PAF F-16 pilots and IDAF F-16 pilots many times in his illustrious career . So when I say "amongst the best pilots of the world"---I have very good idea what I am talking about...)

Moreover, JF-17 block III with AESA (if becomes available) and J-10C with IRST, AESA, large payload etc. will be no easy targets for Rafale.

And then comes all other factors like AWACS, air-defense, difference of flying over enemy territory vs home turf, and so on...

Indian Air Force going against Pakistan Air Force would be no joke. It will be intense as hell to say the least.

Dude!! seriously.. You are echoing quite loudly of things what I said.. We both are saying the same thing. These are no counter to Rafale..

 

[The Huskar]

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[janon]

IAF also found Euro Fighter lacking in their needs. It is not a very good argument.

No they did not. EF and Rafale were both found suitable, and the cheaper one was selected.

F-16 block 60s are still very potent jets.

They are. But they are easily bested by the likes of EF, Rafale and Gripen. Also, note that PAF does not have block 60s - they only have block 52, which does not have an AESA or CFT or integrated IRST, to name a few.

That's why I told you I am not Safriz and you are coming at it from a completely different angle.

If you want to pretend to be Erdogan and not Safriz, just replace the "your" with "their". The factual content of my post remains the same.

 

[kaykay]

@The Sultan Erdogan You are wrong about evaluations. Eurofighter passed every technical criteria which we needed along with Rafale but Rafale won because of less price and maintenance.
While F16 block 60+ did not pass our technical criterias.

 

[acid rain]

I wonder what Pakistan Air Force will come up as a response to this deal.

Upgraded J-10Bs or a customized PAF version of J-10C fighter aircraft will do.

At 270 Su-30MKIs, 126 Rafales, and hundreds of Mig-29s....Indian Air Force will definitely be a force to reckon with.

Pakistan, in comparison, will also have a massive air force with 80+ F-16s, 150+ JF-17 Thunders block II and block IIIs, and may be J-10Bs (as counter to Rafale deal)

As fifth generation fighter jets will enter subcontinent, it will become the most concentrated and contested battle-space for aerial warfare in 21st century....as I see no other area where such massive, sophisticated, and larger air forces have a very good chance to entering a larger scale destructive conflict..

IAF isn't exactly looking at any rival airforce. They are upgrading their capabilities according to requirements. This procurement is to have a hi-lo-medium capability.

5th gen fighters is a sure shot buy fot iaf and most likely for the IN as well.

IN plus the IA is also on its way to establish their own air wings.

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

Dude!! seriously.. You are echoing quite loudly of things what I said.. We both are saying the same thing. These are no counter to Rafale..

I don't know what you mean by having no counter to an aerial threat...but in my books, it is as if the aerial threat in discussion is somehow invincible.

And that can only be F-22A...

Rafale is certainly not "invincible" against F-16 block 52 piloted by very able pilots.

Would Rafale have an advantage? Yes.

Are Rafales unbeatable in such scenario? No.

 

[greatone]

They are.

Latest F-16 block 52+ are very sophisticated fighter jets. Yes, Rafale is better, but it doesn't mean that it will "eat up" F-16C/D. It'd be a very, very tough fight between these two jets flown by very good pilots...especially if F-16s is being flown by what are amongst the best pilots of the world. (I have an acquittance in Turkish Defense Administration who have----lets just say---"worked with" PAF F-16 pilots and IDAF F-16 pilots many times in his illustrious career . So when I say "amongst the best pilots of the world"---I have very good idea what I am talking about...)

Moreover, JF-17 block III with AESA (if becomes available) and J-10C with IRST, AESA, large payload etc. will be no easy targets for Rafale.

And then comes all other factors like AWACS, air-defense, difference of flying over enemy territory vs home turf, and so on...

Indian Air Force going against Pakistan Air Force would be no joke. It will be intense as hell to say the least.

Let me make my argument with the simplest of examples.

Any tier 2 football team, like Columbia,Croatia etc can beat Brazilian football team under certain conditions, especially at home.
However it is very unlikely and won't happen a lot.

Similarly, yes F 16 Blk 52 can bring down a MKI or Rafale, but Rafale or MKI is more likely to come out on top in any engagement.

And these things even out over the course of a war, leaving superior platform as the decisive winner.

 

[AMCA]

I don't know what you mean by having no counter to an aerial threat...but in my books, it is as if the aerial threat in discussion is somehow invincible.

And that can only be F-22A...

Rafale is certainly not "invincible" against F-16 block 52 piloted by very able pilots.

Would Rafale have an advantage? Yes.

Are Rafales unbeatable in such scenario? No.

Well I was only ito Spects of an Aircraft. Better Pilot wins is your argument and you are right. If its just a Plane to Plane comparison, Rafale wins undoubtadly.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

again they use the term 'may'. Just talk about it when it's done.

 

[Asian.Century]

And Finally the actual price of the Rafale jets (which no one wants to buy yet), will now be DOUBLE the price...excellent Indian Strategic and Economic thinking.