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NEW DELHI: India on Monday demonstrated its renewed resolve to fight fire with fire along the volatile Line of Control, directing all its battalion commanders on the fiercely-contested boundary to retaliate with all their might if the Pakistani Army provokes them by violating the ceasefire or pushing militants into J&K.

"I expect all my commanders on the LoC to be aggressive and offensive in face of provocation and fire...No passivity is expected from them. Their response has to be measured and for effect," said a tough-talking General Bikram Singh, a day ahead of Army Day celebrations.

The fact that the Army chief issued an unequivocal warning to Pakistan to cease and desist from misadventures along the border is a confirmation there is going to be no immediate de-escalation of tension, especially as a defiant Pakistan refused to own up to the beheading of an Indian soldier and mutilation of another's body by its elite SSG commandos on January 8.

Speaking around the same time that Pakistan brushed aside India's charges at the brigadier-level flag meeting at the Chakkan-Da-Bagh crossing point in Poonch district, Gen Singh accused Islamabad of resorting to "outright lies".

Pakistani Army's cross-border raid on January 8 was a "premeditated and pre-planned" operation that would have needed at least 10 days of preparation and reconnaissance, he said. The Indian jawan's beheading was a "gruesome, most unpardonable act" that went against the "basic ethics" of soldering and tenets of the Geneva Convention, he added.

Although Gen Singh emphasized the current tension would not escalate into a conflagration, holding that several stages have to be crossed before the two countries go to a full-scale war, he did admit the first stage of the spiral had been reached.

The blunt acknowledgment coincided with hardening of the anti-Pakistan mood which would test those in the government who want tension to be defused for the sake of the peace process. The toughening of the popular sentiment found reflection in Congress's endorsement of Shiv Sena's opposition to the participation of Pakistani players in the India Hockey League as well as BJP's bellicose exhortation that Indian troops decapitate 10 Pakistani soldiers for each Indian one.

Gen Singh said the Indian Army was quite clear that it "reserved the right to retaliate at a time and place of its choosing", confirming what TOI had reported on January 10.

India has reasons to be furious. This is not the first time Indian soldiers have been beheaded by the Pakistani Army-****** combine, with their heads being taken back as "trophies" across the LoC, admitted Gen Singh.

Infamous Pakistani terrorist and al-Qaida member Ilyas Kashmiri was part of the raid on an Indian post in the Nowshera sector in 2000, for instance, during which one Indian soldier of the 17 Maratha Light Infantry was beheaded and six others killed.

More recently, two jawans were decapitated during the turnover between the 19 Rajput and 20 Kumaon Regiments in the Keran sector in July, 2011. "We have to put pressure on Pakistan, nationally and internationally, to make its Army accountable," said Gen Singh.

"Though the beheading has angered us at the strategic level, it was a tactical operation and we will respond at the tactical level now...We do not plan to up the ante. We will uphold the ceasefire as long as the adversary respects it but will retaliate if provoked," he added.

The Army chief admitted the January 8 cross-border raid had exposed "some tactical lapses" on the Indian side but said this was not the time for an inquiry to be conducted since it would affect the morale of the forces. For now, even as corrective measures are underway, "we won't remain passive when attacked", he said.

On the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge imbroglio, the Army has told the government it should not let go of the "strategic gains" achieved after shedding a lot of blood - over 850 Indian soldiers have died in the glacial heights since 1984 - till the "trust deficit" with Pakistan is bridged.

Pakistan has to first agree to the sequential pre-requisites of authentication, delineation and demarcation of the relative troop positions before any talk of demilitarization. "The area is strategically important for us and we should continue to hold the heights," said Gen Singh.

Fight Pakistan fire with fire, Army chief orders commanders on LoC - The Times of India
 
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er... Welll...
Did they throw flowers on Pakistani soldiers in return of fire??

Nothing new said by Indian cheif..
Only an attention seeking stunt..

you dont need to ask soldiers to fire back when fired at.. Thats what they are there for :lol:
 
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er... Welll...
Did they throw flowers on Pakistani soldiers in return of fire??

Nothing new said by Indian cheif..
Only an attention seeking stunt..

you dont need to ask soldiers to fire back when fired at.. Thats what they are there for :lol:


Thats what the IA chief has said.

""I expect all my commanders on the LoC to be aggressive and offensive in face of provocation and fire...No passivity is expected from them. Their response has to be measured and for effect," said a tough-talking General Bikram Singh, a day ahead of Army Day celebrations."


If you havent seen the news conference then you are out of context.

The IA Chief does not need publicity, he quietly does his job.
 
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EPIC FAIL. I have watched the ENTIRE 2hr annual COAS 14TH Jan press conference and his comments were all fair and reasonable in context despite all the stupid Qs being asked by the journos. The term "fight fire with fire" was never uttered by him. He said that to any provocation the IA would give a fitting and proportional response at a time of their choosing and that the IA commanders on the ground had a certain level of freedom on the tactical level and that the IA wouldn't be "passive" and sit back and take any action against them. Would anyone have expected anything different??

As usual the Indian media f£cks it all up.
 
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EPIC FAIL. I have watched the ENTIRE 2hr annual COAS 14TH Jan press conference and his comments were all fair and reasonable in context despite all the stupid Qs being asked by the journos. The term "fight fire with fire" was never uttered by him. He said that to any provocation the IA would give a fitting and proportional response at a time of their choosing and that the IA commanders on the ground had a certain level of freedom on the tactical level and that the IA wouldn't be "passive" and sit back and take any action against them. Would anyone have expected anything different??

As usual the Indian media f£cks it all up.

No,i woulnt have expected anything different from him..
Media misreported the news and made it look like he is blowing the horns of war.
He wasnt...
The 'time of choosing' bit may well be to calm down public sentiments..
The rest of the statement was nothing new,nothing unusual.

We have to admit that its an ongoing war,and has been going on for 65 years... Soldiers deployed on both sides know that,and exchange of fire has been happening since day one... And both sides are well used to it...
 
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lol ia chief is looking like a crying baby here


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No,i woulnt have expected anything different from him..
Media misreported the news and made it look like he is blowing the horns of war.
He wasnt...
The 'time of choosing' bit may well be to calm down public sentiments..
The rest of the statement was nothing new,nothing unusual.

We have to admit that its an ongoing war,and has been going on for 65 years... Soldiers deployed on both sides know that,and exchange of fire has been happening since day one... And both sides are well used to it...

True.


lol ia chief is looking like a crying baby here


Crying+Baby+Natural+High+for+Some+Moms.jpg

watch the entire press conference to see what he really said:

If provoked, we will retaliate, says Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh Video: NDTV.com
 
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Its a well calibrated and responsible response from General of a democracy. Remember that its almost a week after the incident that the statement has come and it can only imply that army has done its analysis and while Pakistan continues to deny, there isn't much of doubt in army as to what happened.

& its about time the statements came, nothing demoralizes a soldier than the fact that he is all alone :angry:. By urging his commanders to be aggressive may sound like warmongering to some, but given the track record of Indian troops, mindless retaliation seems unlikely.

More recently, two jawans were decapitated during the turnover between the 19 Rajput and 20 Kumaon Regiments in the Keran sector in July, 2011. "We have to put pressure on Pakistan, nationally and internationally, to make its Army accountable," said Gen Singh

This is the shocking part. Reluctance on part of govt in dealing with these incidences are leading to these recurrences:sick:. Its time they called Spade a Spade, and face situation with seriousness it demands.
 
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and pak solders commanders know it since they deploy to LOC .fire ke badly fire hi hota hai or kya dance hota hai sardar jee? or ap fire kero gay to hum mujra dekh rahy hoon gay ?:rofl:
 
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We have to be very careful …Here Pakistan has nothing to lose… Economy wise and stability wise Pakistan is totally screwed up …and army of Pakistan wants to divert Pakistani people from those issues...And for them this is the only way…All these are going as per Planed by PA.
 
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We have to be very careful …Here Pakistan has nothing to lose… Economy wise and stability wise Pakistan is totally screwed up …and army of Pakistan wants to divert Pakistani people from those issues...And for them this is the only way…All these are going as per Planed by PA.

Seems Indian army is hands in gloves with PA in this case if it is planned one since the Indian army initiated the fire violated ceasefire and killed a Pakistani soldier.


On the other hand Indian planned the attack to link LeT and play a terrorism-victim card here seeing that NATO/US is going back.

But guess what ? you have got your calculation wrong.

it backedfire

Indian media has a hyperbola issue, they cannot print anything without making it sensational.

This habit of Indian media had caused a big loss to India in the past too or to say damaged Indian stand.
 
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Seems Indian army is hands in gloves with PA in this case if it is planned one since the Indian army initiated the fire violated ceasefire and killed a Pakistani soldier.


On the other hand Indian planned the attack to link LeT and play a terrorism-victim card here seeing that NATO/US is going back.

But guess what ? you have got your calculation wrong.

it backedfire



This habit of Indian media had caused a big loss to India in the past too or to say damaged Indian stand.

Hahahha ......which world are u living in sir......Today its pakistan which is despised all over the world...

Even if a Cylinder blast happen anywhere..ppl points finger to Pakistan...
You just have have to Say "u r from PAkistan" to get Royal Treatment everywhere..be it Airport..hotels...Seminars...u name it
This is all courtesy of Indian Media :devil:
 
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Saare threads merge kar do yaar. Warna purane dialogue maarne padenge. :lol:

BTW if India and Pakistan go to war, this time PA will improve its old record of surrender. 93,000 + 1. :rofl:
 
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We have to be very careful …Here Pakistan has nothing to lose… Economy wise and stability wise Pakistan is totally screwed up …and army of Pakistan wants to divert Pakistani people from those issues...And for them this is the only way…All these are going as per Planed by PA.

True....
Watched last nite Times now 9PM debate..... Some Indian Retired Army humiliated Pakistan Exgeneral on National tv By saying "What Pakistan Economy are u talking about..u r economy is not even HAlf of our BSE Valuation" Also Our IB chief said to the Other pakistani retired general
we know everything about pakistan and we know u r in no position to wage a war leave aside india but also on ur internal threat...And we PITY u for that
i felt down laughing so hard ..It was a slam dunk :rofl::rofl:

On the same Episode..A retired SSG commando/Commander (i don't remember) ....Accepted Kargil was doing of Pakistani Army:bunny:
 
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