FC arrest Indian man in Chaman

[Abu Zolfiqar]

So what you're essentially saying here is; "give into our demands or we'll come bomb you". I don't think that''s called called settling the matter "professionally".

No that's what militants believe, they have their reasons.....

by "we" or "our" I am referring to Government of Pakistan. Not non-state actors who do their deeds on their own.

most of the attacks in Kashmir are carried out by Kashmiris themselves, who feel hopeless and frustrated that they have no other means to make their message heard

 

[Dalai Lama]

Sure.

indians should desist immediately from its activities that go against Pakistani national security and interests. Especially those pertaining to Balochistan.

it's a dangerous game being played

That's up to the GoI to decide isn't it. For them it'll' be weighing up our interests vs your saber rattling/allegations (which lack evidence). Your national security is none of our concern.

 

[Devil Soul]

Baluchistan is of great importance to us : Munter .... hmmmmm

 

[Dalai Lama]

No that's what militants believe, they have their reasons.....

by "we" or "our" I am referring to Government of Pakistan. Not non-state actors who do their deeds on their own.

most of the attacks in Kashmir are carried out by Kashmiris themselves, who feel hopeless and frustrated that they have no other means to make their message heard

Yes I'm aware of the distinction between "non-state" actors and the established government. However this distinction becomes a little less "distinct" when things like "moral support" come into play.

 

[Last Hope]

Hey guys chill.
Whom are we trying to explain?

You try to explain one, 10 get on your head.

Relax people, some people just take things for granted. Being banned or not, what so ever their repu is on Pakistan Defence doesnt matter to them!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

That's up to the GoI to decide isn't it. For them it'll' be weighing up our interests vs your saber rattling/allegations (which lack evidence)

saber rattling allegations? Perhaps you forgot the title of this thread; what are your self-confessed spy(s) doing in Balochistan?

onus probandi


as for rest of what you said -- yes it is up to GOI and its affiliates. Hopefully for their sake and their country sake they will do the right thing and end their dirty games in Pakistan. Otherwise 'alternate avenues' would have to be undertaken.

Your national security is none of our concern.

fair enough.....so dont cry when the feelings are mutually shared

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yes I'm aware of the distinction between "non-state" actors and the established government. However this distinction becomes a little less "distinct" when things like "moral support" come into play.

if we wanted to arm your seperatists to the teeth, a lot of things would be different

what's wrong in giving them moral support (and demanding referendum)? All Pakistanis do. To us, it's a noble cause.

 

[humanfirst]

That's the way the ISI works.

If pakistan have an iota of evidence incriminating r.a.w in destabilising n.w.f.p,it will use that to fullest extend to tarnish image of india.But in cases like this we dont even hear pakistan accusing india or india denying anything,indicating that the news itself is fake..

No one gives a damn to them.

Dude it was your home minister who was saying with his loud mouth that he had all the evidence against r.a.w and will expose it in right time,that was two years ago and he is still not able to provide anything..

Who? When? How?
never knew about it. Gimme the link.

Finally, Zardari admits that ISI nurtured terrorism - Contribute - MSNIndia

BBC News - Musharraf admits Kashmir militants trained in Pakistan

Actually I talked about Ajmal Shahzad, the Pakistani orign English player, who beat India in Word Cup. He was accused to be an ISI agent.

lol..can you show any links to indians accusing ajmal shahzad as an isi agent..?On the other hand several pakistanis including many in this forum were accussing mazhar majeed(pakistani origin muslim)as a raw agent.

Is that not true?
Floods. You guys blocked the river and made dams that cause it.
Match fixing..hmm.. the guy was Bharti, the reporter who broke the news is Bharti, the bookies were Bharti, Bharti embassy did his bail too.
Mehran base.. Its classified, we (the ISI) have proofs of international agencies, using RAW as front agent.

floods..lol..no comments
..
match fixing-the players were pakistani,the fixer mazhar majeed was of pakistani origin,the news was published in a u.k news outlet,some indian bookies were also blamed in that scandal does not mean its raw... and no,indian embassy did not bail mazhar majeed out.
Mehran base-there is no evidence for pakistani establishment to even slightly implicate r.a.w.

 

[Awesome]

now they will make his juice and get whole info lolz phans gya bachy .

There is almost no follow up of these stories, don't know why they are always buried.

 

[rockstarIN]

There is almost no follow up of these stories, don't know why they are always buried.

May be later they find out that he is just the fellow countryman..

 

[Norboo]

Hang this dog shyt... after interogation.

Just one? How about those thousands of dog shyts who have infiltrated into Kashmir from Pakistan? Hang them by their balls? Oh yeah!

 

[Nelson]

if we wanted to arm your seperatists to the teeth, a lot of things would be different

Sir, you already did that, but lot of things remained unchanged.

what's wrong in giving them moral support (and demanding referendum)? All Pakistanis do. To us, it's a noble cause.

Let me give you a simple idea here, just get out of the illegal occupation of yours and then we can talk about referendum. Your "getting out of Kashmir" should be the noble cause.

 

[Nelson]

keep asking he is sitting in riyadh he dont have nor me not even webby lolz evidences will shear with govs not Internet forums .yes floods was from RAW we have every right to blame devil for every thing wrong.

Wow!

so now RAW is responsible for floods in Pakistan?

Next is what? Earthquake? lol

You guys deserve the academy award for best comic role... lol

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

He should be treated the same way as Bhutto was treated!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

if we wanted to arm your seperatists to the teeth, a lot of things would be different

what's wrong in giving them moral support (and demanding referendum)? All Pakistanis do. To us, it's a noble cause.

Of course, moral support!



Here is what your top man in Kashmir who has been getting 'moral' support has to say.

Geelani shocker for Hina
- Separatist extends self-determination call to cover ***

.......The spearhead of Kashmiri secession, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, left Khar and her delegates a little stumped by demanding, for the first time, that the self-determination exercise should include areas under ***************** Kashmir (***) as well.

Initially a champion of “complete and irrevocable” merger with Pakistan, Geelani quietly changed tack a few years ago and began advocating the right to self-determination for the Valley. ......

Geelani aggressively espoused a cross-communal Kashmiri case rather than merely a Valley-Muslim cause, which he has often done in the past. “What I want is for all people who belong to undivided Kashmir, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Dogras, Pahadis, all of them,” Geelani said. “They must all be allowed to decide their future destiny and where they want Kashmir to be. I have always spoken for all sections and I continue to do so, it is propaganda that I only speak for a particular section, I speak for Kashmiris.”

Such articulation sits ill with the Pakistani outlook on the Kashmir dispute whose central idea is Islam. .....

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110731/jsp/frontpage/story_14312793.jsp

and

Hawk to Hina: Set house in order
- Geelani tells Pak to fix baloch problem before Kashmir

........At a sharp moment in the hour-long conversation, Geelani turned to Khar and advised her government to “set your house in order” before approaching the Kashmir issue. Geelani appeared particularly upset at affairs in Balochistan and parts of Sindh and told Khar’s delegation that unless Pakistan can establish “peace and dignity” for the people of Balochistan, it is pointless their making a case in Kashmir.

Geelani’s mind-your-own-business-first counsel comes in the midst of mounting Kashmiri disenchantment with untamed internal disorder in Pakistan. Geelani’s position is being interpreted in circles close to him as an expression of disappointment rather than combativeness. Geelani is not sending a pointed “don’t interfere” message to Pakistan, he is telling them they are no longer in a position to do so because they have lost both stability and credibility as a nation. .......

During his dialogue with Hina Khar’s delegation, Geelani expressed disappointment with Islamabad’s handling of Balochistan at some length and told them that neither a military campaign nor handing out economic packages could suppress Balochi political aspirations. Geelani has been arguing quite on the same lines with New Delhi in relation to Kashmir.

Geelani also brought up the issue of Ghulam Nabi Fai, an American Kashmir-lobbyist currently charged with being funded by the ISI, and said his circumstances represented a failure of Pakistani diplomacy. Geelani held that Fai was “not a terrorist but an advocate of Kashmiri independence” and blamed Pakistan for not being able to defend him. .....

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110804/jsp/nation/story_14332522.jsp