Fatwah against Suicide attack by Deobandi ulemas

[waraich66]

Sir, if u have a study at different articles related to this topic & day to day readings,

there is a tacit understanding among all the muslims sects, that any attack on any kind of occupying forces on muslim land is allowed

. Subject to that its against enemy forces, no civilian either muslim or non-muslim is to be killed, specially in revenge attacks.
The sunni sect muftis & shia sect is unanimously against suicide attacks on muslims, which includes civilians & muslim security forces.

Quran is very specific, if u kill an innocent human being, u killed all the humanity.

This verse is very clear, but this situation was foretold to us by our Prophet PBUH, that a day will come when the person killing another human being will not know why he killing or killed the person, and the person getting killed won't know why he got killed.
The suicide bomber doesn't not knows why he killing innocent human beings, he has been brainwashed and his own thinking is gone.

Shadat is prime desire of any true muslim but to gain shadat suicide is not allowed, Hazrat Khalid bin waleed had desire of shadat fought many battles for islam but could not complete his desire.

I hope you understand the my point ,Allah SWT knows better,

 

[Skeptic]

Fatwa is based on Hadees (Saying of our Prophet PBUH) , any muslim follower of any fiqa may ask mufti of particular fiqa for issue of fatwa on matter of daily life(marriage,talaq,salah,death,prayer etc) Sahah sitah (bukhari,muslim, ibn maja) total six authentic books of hadees on them all four fiqa imam's has total concent .

Your impresion is not right that fatwa has no effect on muslim's life, fatwa is necessary to rectify many disputes of society or individual to restore peace in society and prosperity .Fatwa is not personal statement or interpertation of any mufti it should be based on Quran or on authentic hadees from six books of hadees.

Agreed, that the fatwas have their origin in Hadees (or Hadith) but the fact remains that some fatwas are redily accepted and implemented, but certain like the one in question about declaing suicide bombing unislamic are debated several times over. Another fatwa declares a book or a person to be unislamic, the book is shunned by muslims all over the world and the person has to leave his native place. But if Sucid bombing is declared unislamic, then there are ways to counter it by using a certain term / quoting another hadith (or some other references) on the contrary.

If they are so simply in black and white, why the confusion???

 

[BATMAN]

If they are so simply in black and white, why the confusion???

Because there is no certified or centralised body for issuing Fatwa, which has been misused by anti Muslim fanatic organisations. This anti Islam forces have divided Islam in various sects. by translating non issues in various versions.
In between we Muslim forget that the 99.9% of Islam is what is basic Islam, which is all about belief...belief in one God, prophets, angels, 5 books, and Muhammad (pbuh) as last prophet.
rest of all is (if i may say) fashion and interpretations serving personal interests.

Muslims being simple (putting in polite way) forget the basis of religon and held on to no issues.
Example... education, cleanliness, politnes, rights towards society are more important than how to enforce individual belief of religon on entire nation by declaring it a law sharia or what ever.

I don't care if some mullah agree with me or not and I will not apply Islam more than this.
Only for this reason I'm sect. proof. I belong to no sect. I'm rather a muslim plain muslim. who can pray in church, sinagogay and don't need mullah to lead my pray. I would rather prefer if my prayer is lead by an engineer or doctor etc.

To reach to this point I have deeply interviewed Shia and Sunni and I know their differences which are not bigger than a life. or let say to base a war upon.
End of the story.
As Iqbal said. Ek hun Muslim Haram ki Pasbani kay liay.

 

[Conscientious objector]

I want to convey my advice to Pakistan Government that they would demand with all sects's ulema that they should issue statement
" All terrorist including Taliban and alqaeda are munafiq and fight with them is Jihad,so everybody would welcome to join Pakistan Army in this Jihad"(this is also reply of molvi sufi soap)

I am sure this demand would face off lot of hidden munafiq ulemas.

Why should a secular non Muslim kaafir government dictate to Mulsim Ulema what Islamic rulings they should issue?Why would any genuine alim follow the orders of the kaafir GOP?

Islam is not based on the desires of the disbelievers but upon the divine scriptures.

 

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Why should a secular non Muslim kaafir government dictate to Mulsim Ulema what Islamic rulings they should issue?Why would any genuine alim follow the orders of the kaafir GOP?

Islam is not based on the desires of the disbelievers but upon the divine scriptures.

And these "divine scriptures" are very clear on the illegitimacy of shahadat by suiciding. You give away your indianess by each post by calling the government of pakistan kaafir when you have no authority to do so.

 

[Conscientious objector]

And these "divine scriptures" are very clear on the illegitimacy of shahadat by suiciding.

Shahadat by suiciding?

You give away your indianess by each post by calling the government of pakistan kaafir when you have no authority to do so.

You have just given away your ignorance not to mention your nifaq.

 

[waraich66]

If they are so simply in black and white, why the confusion???

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Difference in opinion between mufti's of different sects is healthy sign but if some sect try to impose their understanding with force or power , then fasad or distruction in society will be started.

So we can say there is no confusion in understanding the Quran and Hadees but at implementation stage wrong methodolgy basically lead to distruction of society.

In simple word both doctors are qualified but one doctor correctly diagnose and give proper medicine so the diffinately patient will get benefit ,it depends on doctor how he utilize his knowledge for treatment.

Second more important thing is condusive environment , since you know there is no pure islamic state ,so process of islamic knowledge base development and utilization is very slow, society is not getting benefits of shariah laws .

Final conclusion is all muslims should have one khalifa and shourah council to deal with their problems , there is one shourah of tableegi jamat in india and Pakistan which is planning and thinking for welfare of all muslims of world and also non muslims.I hope after few years they will gain strenght be able to resolve religious , soicial ,economical and political issues.They have already laid network all over the world and muslims are getting benefit from their islamic education system.They are presently emphesis for teaching and practice of fundamentals of islam(Qalma,namaz,ilum/zikar,haqooq alibad,taseeh neyat,dawah).

 

[fas]

I was wondering, if anyone here could explain what are the barelwis. I have always learnt that barelwis are the people who do bid'at like owais qadri with his new singing naat style.
Secondly "They also take stances against the graves of saints, and the common Islamic practice of Tawassul which consists of asking the saints for prayer on their behalf" Isnt it shirq to ask someone else for help?
please clarify for me.
I have some Saudi friends who are wahabis, but they see themselvs as sunnis, and i dont see any difference between them or other Pakistani muslims except when they do rafadain in namaz and they dont sing and dance to naats as some of the other Pakistani muslims here do.

 

[Conscientious objector]

I was wondering, if anyone here could explain what are the barelwis.

Barelwis or Barelvis are a deviant sect that originated in India about 100 years ago.The founder of his sect was a man called Ahmad Raza Khan.He was from a place in India called Bareilly, hence the name Barelwi.

The Barelwis have many deviant beliefs, and they practice many unislamic rituals.They try to deceive people by calling themselves sunnis but they couldn't be further from the sunnah if they tried.

I have always learnt that barelwis are the people who do bid'at like owais qadri with his new singing naat style.

Yes what you have learned is correct, the Barelvis are the champions of bidda,and are referred to by the title of bidatis by Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.

Secondly "They also take stances against the graves of saints,

I think you mean they make dua to graves and this is correct.They do.

and the common Islamic practice of Tawassul which consists of asking the saints for prayer on their behalf"

What they do is not tawasul it is shirk,they make dua to people in the graves.

Isnt it shirq to ask someone else for help?
please clarify for me.

It depends on who you are asking, if you ask someone who is standing next to you to give you some assistance with something this would obviously not be shirk,but if you were to make dua to a grave and ask the person in the grave to help you this without doubt would be shirk.

 

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Shahadat by suiciding?





You have just given away your ignorance not to mention your nifaq.

Exactly, their is no shahdat by intentionally killing oneself.

Tell me what shows "my nifaq" instead of repeating words you barely know the meaning off?

 

[Slides]

Barelwis or Barelvis are a deviant sect that originated in India about 100 years ago.The founder of his sect was a man called Ahmad Raza Khan.He was from a place in India called Bareilly, hence the name Barelwi.

The Barelwis have many deviant beliefs, and they practice many unislamic rituals.They try to deceive people by calling themselves sunnis but they couldn't be further from the sunnah if they tried.

What about Deobandis? Where did they originate from? In line with your takfiri beliefs, they must also be a deviant "sect", right?

And btw, neither barelwis or deobandis are sects in islam, but they may be in your religion.

 

[fas]

Conscientious objector, Thanks for the answers.
I was wondering if you make dua to muhammad pcuh to give more power or give more money, or seek help for anything else, isnt that also shirk?
Isnt that tahir ul qadri a barelwi?

 

[waz]

I would agree with you when you say Barelvis are not a sect in Islam,Rather they are a sect outside of Islam.

So they are not Muslim? You do know you are making takfir right? That's the same aqeedah our TTP and other fun loving terrorists belong to.

Moderators I can't believe this guy has been allowed to say this, especially in light of the fact that the majority of Pakistan ascribes to the “brelvi” thought.

 

[Conscientious objector]

So they are not Muslim? You do know you are making takfir right? That's the same aqeedah our TTP and other fund loving terrorists belong to.

To pray to other than Allah is shirk, this much goes without saying.For me to make a general statement is not the same as making takfir of a individual. So if I say in general that anyone who worships other than Allah is a mushrik that is not the same as me naming a particular individual and declaring him to be a kaafir.Before an individual can be made takfir of there are certain procedures that need to be carried out beforehand.

Moderators I can't believe this guy has been allowed to say this, especially in light of the fact that the majority of Pakistan ascribes to the “brelvi” thought.

Its a good job this isn't a Barelvi forum with draconian rules where no one is allowed to question the words of the pir sahb.

If you have any issues with what Ive said point them out in a matter of fact way so that we can discuss them.

For you to scream foul and call on the moderators to intervene is just a pathetic attempt on your part to stifle debate and discussion.



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[fas]

very well said