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failure of Sukhoi-30, India’s multi-role military fighter aircraft for all weather and ISRO (India Space Research Organisation) in exact mapping of the crash site of Arunachal chief minister Dorjee Khandu’s helicopter in western Arunachal Pradesh raises security concerns.
Sukhoi-30 and ISRO’s mapping provided seven probable sites of the crash of the ill-fated helicopter. Two such sites were inside the territory of Bhutan. Naga GG in West Kameng district was identified as the most probable site.

But the wreckage of the helicopter carrying Khandu and four others, which went missing on Saturday, was found in Luguthang area in Tawang district on Wednesday. The place was not on the list of the probable sites.


Gumjum Haider, secretary general of North East Students Organisation (NESO), said the failure of the IAF’s most advanced fighter aircraft Sukhoi, Army, ITBP and IRSO’s satellite services had exposed the true state of Indian security agencies.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=14725
 
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India helicopter crash puts spotlight on aviation issues​

Dorjee Khandu, chief minister of Arunachal Pradesh state, and four others are killed in a helicopter crash, three weeks after the same operator had a crash killing 17. Also, in recent weeks, several airline pilots have been discovered with forged credentials.

A top state official from northeastern India was found dead Wednesday after his helicopter went down several days ago in rough weather, the latest setback for the nation's troubled civil aviation industry.

"I am afraid the news is grim and sad," Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram told reporters after the bodies of Dorjee Khandu, the chief minister of Arunachal Pradesh state, and four others were found following an extensive search.

The state-owned operator, Pawan Hans Helicopters Ltd., suffered another accident three weeks ago that killed 17 people when their helicopter crashed into a landing pad in the perilous 11,000-foot-high Tawang Valley area of Arunachal Pradesh bordering China. Critics said many of the victims would have survived if fire engines and mandatory emergency equipment were readily available.

Information compiled by the New Delhi-based Rotary Wing Society of India, a watchdog group, found that most of the nation's 60 helicopter accidents between 1990 and 2011 involved violations of standard operating procedure.

Helicopter flights aren't the only ones in the spotlight. In recent weeks, several commercial airline pilots have been discovered to have doctored licenses.

This followed a Jan. 11 accident in which Indigo Airlines Capt. Parminder Kaur Gulati landed her aircraft in the resort area of Goa on its nose wheel rather than its rear landing gear. Further investigation found she had submitted fake test results to the Directorate General of Civil Aviation, India's aviation regulator, after failing her exam seven times.

Indigo Airlines is considered one of India's best domestic budget carriers.

It soon turned out several other pilots had allegedly misrepresented their credentials as well, leading to the arrest of eight pilots, three civil aviation officials and three middlemen.

The most embarrassing case involved Garima Passi, the daughter of the regulatory agency's No. 2 official, the director for air safety. After failing to obtain a U.S. pilot's license because of two "landing incidents," she obtained a license using falsified Indian credentials. The airline she worked for, SpiceJet, later filed a written complaint saying it had been pressured by her father into hiring her. He has since been "relieved of his duties."

Nine other middle- and senior-level aviation bureaucrats are being investigated over how their close relatives received pilot licenses.

The state-owned operator, Pawan Hans Helicopters Ltd., suffered another accident three weeks ago that killed 17 people when their helicopter crashed into a landing pad in the perilous 11,000-foot-high Tawang Valley area of Arunachal Pradesh bordering China. Critics said many of the victims would have survived if fire engines and mandatory emergency equipment were readily available.

Information compiled by the New Delhi-based Rotary Wing Society of India, a watchdog group, found that most of the nation's 60 helicopter accidents between 1990 and 2011 involved violations of standard operating procedure.

Helicopter flights aren't the only ones in the spotlight. In recent weeks, several commercial airline pilots have been discovered to have doctored licenses.

This followed a Jan. 11 accident in which Indigo Airlines Capt. Parminder Kaur Gulati landed her aircraft in the resort area of Goa on its nose wheel rather than its rear landing gear. Further investigation found she had submitted fake test results to the Directorate General of Civil Aviation, India's aviation regulator, after failing her exam seven times.

Indigo Airlines is considered one of India's best domestic budget carriers.

It soon turned out several other pilots had allegedly misrepresented their credentials as well, leading to the arrest of eight pilots, three civil aviation officials and three middlemen.

The most embarrassing case involved Garima Passi, the daughter of the regulatory agency's No. 2 official, the director for air safety. After failing to obtain a U.S. pilot's license because of two "landing incidents," she obtained a license using falsified Indian credentials. The airline she worked for, SpiceJet, later filed a written complaint saying it had been pressured by her father into hiring her. He has since been "relieved of his duties."

Nine other middle- and senior-level aviation bureaucrats are being investigated over how their close relatives received pilot licenses.
 
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indonasian crash in which at least 15 people were killed puts indonasian airlines on potlight. US helicopter crash in which 13 people were killed puts spotlight on US pilots and their skills. crash of iranian helicopter in which three people were killed puts spotlight firmly on iranina aviation industry.

is it enough or do u want me to give u more examples.
 
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It seems like every day that we read news reports of a plane crash in india. Whether its a military plane or civilian plane. Is it that difficult for you people to learn to fly properly? :rolleyes:
 
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It seems like every day that we read news reports of a plane crash in india. Whether its a military plane or civilian plane. Is it that difficult for you people to learn to fly properly? :rolleyes:

Is that why u posted a news which was discussed already...
Is that what you search in news papers all the time??
 
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It seems like every day that we read news reports of a plane crash in india. Whether its a military plane or civilian plane. Is it that difficult for you people to learn to fly properly? :rolleyes:

First build a decent automobile in your country, chump, and we'll talk.
 
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We'll talk, chump, when you start building a decent automobile in your country.

why diverting the topic..

plan fect was that su-30 radar not able to detect a 2m2 matel derbery at the ground ..then how came this fighter will be able to conduct a ground attack mission..
does here also IAF will say that they were using the su-30 radar in traning mode..

and all those hype over ISRO capabilities ...
 
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why diverting the topic..

plan fect was that su-30 radar not able to detect a 2m2 matel derbery at the ground ..then how came this fighter will be able to conduct a ground attack mission..
does here also IAF will say that they were using the su-30 radar in traning mode..

Is Su-30 a search and rescue aircaft?

Did you give it the co-ordinates before sending it on a ground-attack (read search) mission?

Your answer lays therein.

and all those hype over ISRO capabilities ...

I'm not sure exactly what services of ISRO were utilised and how much. In any case, I see it more as a case of personnel-training problem than a technical one. AFAIK, ISRO's technical capabilities are just fine.

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name calling only highlights you people's infeority complex.

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name calling only highlights you indians infeority complex.

LoL, Inferiority complex about what? Not being a Pakistani? :lol:
 
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Is Su-30 a search and rescue aircaft?

Your answer lays therein.

ask IAF if it is not , why did IAF then try to make the nation fool by fly it for search...

a good radar on a fighter having ground attack capabilities won't find it difficult to track a 2m2 matel garbage on ground...
 
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for those looking for answer:


The area over which the contact from the helicopter with Hon’ble CM was lost was a rough mountainous Himalayan terrain covered with thick forested area. Simultaneous persistent cloudy conditions and incessant bad weather limited the use of optical remote sensing data.

Thus, microwave remote sensing data, which can penetrate clouds and quickly image large areas in all weather conditions, was used to locate the missing helicopter.

Since the crash site is located in the region with high steep slopes falling in the layover/foreshortening area of the radar viewing angle, as seen in the above images, no anomaly/back scatter signature can be observed. Also, illustrated in the image below are signals of metallic objects which resulted in false alarm.


Details from ISRO:Missing helicopter carrying Hon'ble CM of Arunachal Pradesh
 
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ask IAF if it is not , why did IAF then try to make the nation fool by fly it for search...

Why don't you also go and ask IAF?

a good radar on a fighter having ground attack capabilities won't find it difficult to track a 2m2 matel garbage on ground...

Are you sure?

Are you aware of the technical capabilities and limitations of a fighter aircraft?

Are you aware of the terrain of that area?

Are you aware of the weather conditions prevailing in that area?

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Su-30 is multi role.

It can very much be used for search and rescue missions.

I dont know what failure they are talking about, There were reports that it was a Su-30 that had first captured snapshots of wreckage inside Bhutan.
 
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I read an interesting piece of news , many a times you will find the diplomats and the politicians avoiding danger signals and forcing the pilots to follow their orders , and an esteemed panel of analysts did talk over this issue and it was found that in almost 90 percent of accidents the failure was more due to non following of issued orders.

I very much doubt if this is the issue in this case too , with a bad weather warning if the pilot was forced to follow the orders of the high ranking diplomats then its a very sad incident, and they had to pay with their lives.
 
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