Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[Divergent]

Whether something good comes out of this thread or not ... the savagery shown by @lastofthepatriots is hall of fame level. Almost reminded me of this post by good ol @Areesh

-As far as the face veil goes my opinion is simple. If you want to, you should have the right to wear it. Simple as that. I simply called out what I saw was a blatant hypocrisy of states that claim to have such high moral standards of inclusiveness and diversity, but when it comes down to practice, they are the first ones to break the very standards that they've set. e.g. The French Burqa ban

-The security reasons mentioned by you and @Hell hound are definitely worth considering and sure you can easily make different cases for your opinion ... But you would have to consider, what's the cut off point ?

No. One should not over burden themselves, no one is forcing them but it is advised and better.

 

[M. Sarmad]

covering face is order of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and Muslim women started wearing it after its order came in Quran

Don't lie please ....

Covering face is not mandatory

The face need not be covered, even in Saudi Arabia that legally imposes a dress code

The Council of Islamic Ideology Pakistan maintains that face covering is not mandatory

Al Azhar has confirmed that HIJAB is not a part of the religion

Please read what Shaykh Naasiruddeen Al-Albaanee, the major figure of purist Salafi movement of twentieth century, had written about Niqab:


The main errors of those who make the face veil obligatory

 

[maximuswarrior]

Your answer is understood and respected just as the law of your land should be.Women that want to cover(which i believe to be important)must move somewhere else.As simple as that.
but i will quote something that Verve stated

Move to where? Jupiter? There is more freedom in the West than there is in most so-called Islamic countries.

Just let the people have the freedom to choose whatever they like to wear.

You keep talking about the law of the land. Quote me one law which prohibits women to wear the veil. There is no such law.

Let's admit it. We have two extremes here who are in collision course. Both like to impose each other.

It is better for people to decide for themselves. There should be no problem if women want to wear a veil, but also cooperate during identification.

 

[Divergent]

Don't lie please ....

Covering face is not mandatory

The face need not be covered, even in Saudi Arabia that legally imposes a dress code

The Council of Islamic Ideology Pakistan maintains that face covering is not mandatory

Al Azhar has confirmed that HIJAB is not a part of the religion

Please read what Shaykh Naasiruddeen Al-Albaanee, the major figure of purist Salafi movement of twentieth century, had written about Niqab:


The main errors of those who make the face veil obligatory

Welcome on board

 

[Verve]

It's difficult to get a point across because they understand very little and assume too much.

Maybe boys hooting at girls in mini skirts etc is not harassment in your dictionary ... and the rapists who target such women ... but hey, their safety is not a major concern for these girls as such harassment and sexual predators chasing are a norm ... they should keep wearing such revealing clothes - ah yes - for sure - no advisory needed.

Racial attacks will happen whether veil is on or off.

 

[Divergent]

Move to where? Jupiter?

Just let the people have the freedom to choose whatever they like to wear.

You keep talking about the law of the land. Quote me one law which prohibits women to wear the veil. There is no such law.

Let's admit it. We have two extremes here who are in collision course. Both like to impose each other.

It is better for people to decide for themselves. There should be no problem if women want to wear a veil, but also cooperate during identification.

I'm not asking for removal. Read my first post again. Stay in touch.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Sorry bro, but sodomy is a Roman European value. Can I get your sister's Instagram though?

How is it called what you guys do? Bacha bazi or something?

 

[Divergent]

Maybe boys hooting at girls in mini skirts etc is not harassment in your dictionary ... and the rapists who target such women ... but hey, their safety is not a major concern for these girls as such harassment and sexual predators chasing are a norm ... they should keep wearing such revealing clothes - ah yes - for sure.

Racial attacks will happen whether veil is on or off.

Invalid.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

hijacking women's thread like a real man
@lastofthepatriots aighta boy

Wait what? What did I do? What savagery?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

where I lost arguments? You lost argument when you said that Italians take laws in their hand even though there is no veil ban in entire Italy and there is no fixed penalty

You insulted me personal because you dont like that we dont accept veiled face. Whats your problem with that? I feel extremly uncomfortable when i cant see a persons face. Why would you visit a country and willingly try to disturb the people there.

 

[abdulbarijan]

No. One should not over burden themselves, no one is forcing them but it is advised and better.

Again, the compromise is personal liberty (to wear an article of clothing) vs security. I've just posted a couple videos for you to see how that compromise turned out for the Americans. At the end of the day, this whole thing will affect muslims who live abroad, so I guess it's up to you to do whatever you feel is better.

 

[Verve]

Invalid.

Invalid declared without a reason given ...

 

[maximuswarrior]

I give a dam what you think of me what matters is covering face is order of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and Muslim women started wearing it after its order came in Quran in time of RASOOL SAW his 4 caliphs and continue to do so from that day and will continue to do same no one stop it those who will try will be defeated

It is not a Quranic order bro. There is no mention of it. We all know that in Islam certain parts of the body i.e. sattar require to be concealed for male and female. The face veil is certainly not obligatory.

The face veil is something which came into being at a later stage. It is deemed modest in many Islamic cultures.

Some women like to wear it for more modesty and privacy. Others don't wear it. It is a personal choice and that is how it should remain.

We can't have people impose or ban it. It is a completely personal preference.

 

[Divergent]

Again, the compromise is personal liberty (to wear an article of clothing) vs security. I've just posted a couple videos for you to see how that compromise turned out for the Americans. At the end of the day, this whole thing will affect muslims who live abroad, so I guess it's up to you to do whatever you feel is better.

Liberation is celebrated whether a woman chooses to cover or not to cover. I stood firmly against Burkini ban, I also don't support the face veil ban but speak out of sheer concern for their safety as morally it is better.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

You insulted me personal because you dont like that we dont accept veiled face. Whats your problem with that? I feel extremly uncomfortable when i cant see a persons face. Why would you visit a country and willingly try to disturb the people there.

You were insulted because you advocated ripping articles of clothing off women which your far right nationalist organization is known for. Very unmanly and European type of behavior.