Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[ValerioAurelius]

We dont like when others preach us what to wear and why we should dictate others what they should be wearing? Its personal choice and freedom of people. forcing people to take off hijab is as bad as forcing them to wear it ..they are boht extremism

When i had a competition in Tunisia in 2015 and we partied there we were adviced that the girls should not go out in Bikini. I accepted thats the norm there and i would kindly ask muslims to follow our culture as well. fair isnt it?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think Tomorrow a request will be made to change your religion as well and I am sure some folks will say what is the harm

 

[Lagay Raho]

Enjoy an example of Liberal Secularism below ... if this is what we want on our TVs and expose our 'muslim' children to in Pakistan ...

i couldn't watch it whole.u destroyed my night Verve

 

[abdulbarijan]

I believe face veil isn't fully banned throughout Western countries and it's not a case of limiting choice. They're free to wear whatever they wish, however it is advised they don't wear the face veil purely for security reasons as many incidents have happened and some which I pointed out. This above all is there for their own safety and preventing any further unwanted discrimination.
Furthermore it is unfair to alone Western Countries when Egypt and Tunisia have also outlawed them.

Your right, as of yet, it's up for consideration in Germany, countries like France, Switzerland, Belgium, Bulgaria and Italy etc. have got certain or complete bans. As far as limiting choice, while you disagree with my point, you yourself have opened up a thread talking about how women should not wear veils / burqa / niqab to not be harassed or be at the receiving end of assault etc. As far as I can tell, your choice is pretty much already limited as is. When it comes to Egypt and Tunisia go, I don't think they were the self professed beacons of freedom unlike a few other countries.

apparently you have never had a discussion with Zarvan?
he takes it all in circles
A DISCUSSION WITH HIM IS AN ENDLESS VOID

whatever it maybe, atleast it's a representation of a conservative point of view, which is far better than like minded people with the same views going YEAS AND NAYS all day long.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

When i had a competition in Tunisia in 2015 and we partied there we were adviced that the girls should not go out in Bikini. I accepted thats the norm there and i would kindly ask muslims to follow our culture as well. fair isnt it?

Culture of west is to allow everyone personal freedom and liberty as long as it don't hurt others. women cannot hide bomb behind their face so safety issue is quiet irrelevant. If you want to limit personal freedom of people then where you will draw a line? what will be next after controlling the choice of wearing clothes ? Muslim should be forced to eat pork and drink wine because its common in west..

 

[Divergent]

Lemme just say Mastan Bhai that I respect you, cuz your around the age of my dad and I've learned alot from you. As far as your opinion on this particular subject goes, I completely disagree.

-First of all, If your going to judge my entire nation of over 200 million people based on the actions of a few, well ... If I recall correctly, According to RAIIN, in the US Every 98 seconds, an American is sexually assaulted. And every 8 minutes, that victim is a child. Meanwhile, only 6 out of every 1,000 perpetrators will end up in prison. So, if you can stereotype my countrymen by the worst among us, do note that we can respond in kind, with interest.

-Secondly, I heard this alot from people especially in the west and it goes like this "Who are you a man, to enforce your views of what is appropriate to wear or not to wear for a woman?" Last time I checked enforcement of such clothing code was termed "oppression". Better to go and get your own house in order before you comment on ours ...

Your right, as of yet, it's up for consideration in Germany, countries like France, Switzerland, Belgium, Bulgaria and Italy etc. have got certain or complete bans. As far as limiting choice, while you disagree with my point, you yourself have opened up a thread talking about how women should not wear veils / burqa / niqab to not be harassed or be at the receiving end of assault etc. As far as I can tell, your choice is pretty much already limited as is. When it comes to Egypt and Tunisia go, I don't think they were the self professed beacons of freedom unlike a few other countries.

But your first post is promoting 'against' with for various other reasons other than security itself .... so not sure what you want out of this thread. You want to discuss 'Faith'?

We dont like when others preach us what to wear and why we should dictate others what they should be wearing? Its personal choice and freedom of people. forcing people to take off hijab is as bad as forcing them to wear it ..they are boht extremism

Face veil isn't mandatory.

To always label West is incorrect because you outlaw the two Muslim States that have enforced this law.

Face veil is face coverage.

Let me point out what was banned in public:

Hoodies - covered faces and thuggish looking

Motorcycle helmets - can't wear these in public places and even if you enter the petrol station have to remove it

Air pollution masks - aren't recommended either

The argument of jackets etc would weigh down on the same scale as Jubbas etc.

That however is not the discussion here.

 

[Verve]

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i couldn't watch it whole.u destroyed my night Verve

I am sorry ... it is rather disturbing but that's a true reflection of a Liberal Secular society! I just don't understand the pro party here, maybe they do not want this type of Liberal Secularism (as if there is any other ) or they do ... so far none have commented.

BTW you are the only one to comment on that ... you do realise that don't you ...

 

[Divergent]

I am sorry ... it is rather disturbing but that's a true reflection of a Liberal Secular society! I just don't understand the pro party here, maybe they do not want this type of Liberal Secularism (as if there is any other ) or they do ... so far none have commented.

BTW you are the only one to comment on that ... you do realise that don't you ...

You're like one extreme to the other. No one has encouraged not asked for this kind of liberalism, we are very much happy with traditional yet open values thank you very much.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Face veil isn't mandatory.

To always label West is incorrect because you outlaw the two Muslim States that have enforced this law.

Face veil is face coverage.

Let me point out what was banned in public:

Hoodies - covered faces and thuggish looking

Motorcycle helmets - can't wear these in public places and even if you enter the petrol station have to remove it

Air pollution masks - aren't recommended either

The argument of jackets etc would weigh down on the same scale as Jubbas etc.

That however is not the discussion here.

face veil is not mandatory as per your understanding but others could not agree with you and me and they have right to wear it for religious or cultural reasons. I personally don't want others to live as per my expectation and desires . Its their life and they should be free to make personal choices which don't affect me

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Culture of west is to allow everyone personal freedom and liberty as long as it don't hurt others. women cannot hide bomb behind their face so safety issue is quiet irrelevant. If you want to limit personal freedom of people then where you will draw a line? what will be next after controlling the choice of wearing clothes ? Muslim should be forced to eat pork and drink wine because its common in west..

Islam is not recogniced as religion in Italy. So its not granted the rights of a religion in Italy.

It is obligatory to show your face in Italy. Why would you hide your face? Only because you are a criminal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/italian-muslims-face-uncertain-future_n_3347178.html

If we allow this veil thing whats next? Aztecs demand they cut out hearts from people to satisfy Quetzalcoatl?

 

[Zarvan]

Due to the current climate, is it safe for Muslim Women to wear face veils in Western Countries?

Before continuation it is emphasised that I respect and will legally defend the rights of women to dress however they desire including the face veil, safeguard their rights for doing so and one does not support calls to ban the face veil produced in the West.

Morally it is advised IN Western Countries not to because:

1) It is not mandated by Faith

2) It is not conducive to the current atmosphere where terrorists have used the attire to escape such as:

• Yaseen Omar a member of the 21 terrorist cell used the attire to flee
• Mustapha Jama slipped out off UK with attempted murder
• Ahmed abused the dress to abscond in West London

3) There is a very powerful saying derived from Faith 'Do not over-burden yourself'.

4) It is not safe for these women especially when the attire is abused and will endanger them due to excessive suspiciousness and uninvited discrimination

5) It does come under matter of Security for personal and public well being.

Divergent.

It's compulsory and orders of Islam take preference over anything

 

[Lagay Raho]

I am sorry ... it is rather disturbing but that's a true reflection of a Liberal Secular society! I just don't understand the pro party here, maybe they do not want this type of Liberal Secularism (as if there is any other ) or they do ... so far none have commented.

BTW you are the only one to comment on that ... you do realise that don't you ...

yes and im not proud about it

 

[Divergent]

Islam is not recogniced as religion in Italy. So its not granted the rights of a religion in Italy.

It is obligatory to show your face in Italy. Why would you hide your face? Only because you are a criminal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...accept-to-change-that/?utm_term=.c07c77bca7f5

If we allow this veil thing whats next? Aztecs demand they cut out hearts from people to satisfy Quetzalcoatl?

Covering your face doesn't make you a criminal but Muslims should respect the law of the land they live in.

It's compulsory and orders of Islam take preference over anything

Ajaye Hazrat lmao you know it isn't.

 

[Verve]

You're like one extreme to the other. No one has encouraged not asked for this kind of liberalism, we are very much happy with traditional yet open values thank you very much.

This is what the Europeans thought too when they were a conservative bunch and got on to the liberal secular bandwagon. And look at where they are now.

It's a cancer that infects generations mutating with each generation and has shaped the western society to what you see now.

There are no other kinds of liberalism and secularism. This is it.

Islam liberated Europe and brought it out of dark ages, but now Europe is at the path of destruction liberating itself from value system altogether with this curse of liberal secularism.

 

[Hell hound]

for all those saying that the sole purpose of west to ban veil is to discriminate against Muslim have a read
http://io9.gizmodo.com/man-in-joker-makeup-charged-with-felony-for-wearing-mas-1793638966
the purpose of banning every clothing article or makeup which can conceal your true identity is purely because of security risks. get out of the mentality that every thing west do is to oppress or discriminate against muslims.