Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[HannibalBarca]

Actually Italian are not that bad. I know one devout religious Pakistani guy who went to Italy and he got fight with someone over there and ended up in jail but then when local Italian girl came to rescued him as she felt in love with him while working together so now he got married with this Italian girl so obtained Italian citizenship and they have one cute son as well

Two live together... Bad and Good... But the BAD always SCREAM louder... to compensate his minority view...

 

[Hell hound]

There is not a single incident in western countries where Burka was used in committing serious act of terrorism or any others major crimes. There were many incidents where people committed burglary by wearing black masks to cheat CCTV but still they got arrested by police because of fingerprints and others form of identifications and evidences so if your border are secure and laws are strict then crimes can be controlled without ban on veil. Face identification is essential at some places like airport,police stations, court etc while women should be free to walk in street in wearing whatever they desire . Pakistan has terrorism because of poor laws and order situation where even people can make fake ID cards and passports by offering some bribe

mate this thread is about veil and west.i will be derailing it by bringing Pakistan and its issues into the mix but i want to further discuss this issue in context of pakistan so what do you say we discuss it some place else.

 

[MastanKhan]

Lemme just say Mastan Bhai that I respect you, cuz your around the age of my dad and I've learned alot from you. As far as your opinion on this particular subject goes, I completely disagree.

-First of all, If your going to judge my entire nation of over 200 million people based on the actions of a few, well ... If I recall correctly, According to RAIIN, in the US Every 98 seconds, an American is sexually assaulted. And every 8 minutes, that victim is a child. Meanwhile, only 6 out of every 1,000 perpetrators will end up in prison. So, if you can stereotype my countrymen by the worst among us, do note that we can respond in kind, with interest.

-Secondly, I heard this alot from people especially in the west and it goes like this "Who are you as a man, to enforce your views of what is appropriate to wear or not to wear for a woman?" Last time I checked enforcement of such clothing code was termed "oppression". Better to go and get your own house in order before you comment on ours ...

Hi,

Americans don't claim that they are the chosen ones---americans don't claim to lay down their lives for Jesus---americans don't claim to kill anyone burning the bible---.

Those you are calling the worst are in majority---their worst is the worst of the worst---their perversity has no limits---.

They lie putting their hands on Qura'an---they lie standing on the dice in the mosque---they lie in the name of Allah---they lie in the name of Mohammad---they lie in the name of anything that is holy.

I wrote here a longtime ago---I had a collegue here in Cerritos california working with me at a car dealership---his name was SYED -----a very handsome man---talking about religion all the time---. One day he says to me " ---- Bhai is larki pay aaj Allah ka naam ley kur charh jaoon gaa ".

When I heard that my jaw hit the ground---" I said Syed---what did you just say---you have no shame---and he laughed "---says---kia baat kartey hein.

Stories I have many more---.

Your 200 million people have done nothing to stop this menace---when good people do nothing---that means they become a part of the crime---that means they are equally responsible for the actions---.

When your preachers stand on the mimbar and say to steal the money of the white people---do credit card fraud---do every deceit and deception and declare it a Jihad---what say of the citizens of that nation.

You own the nation---then take it back from the criminals. Neuter the sodomizers silently---catch them and snip them---nicely and quietly---catch the rapists---snip them quietly---take back your nation---it is slipping away at a very fast pace.

We dont like when others preach us what to wear and why we should dictate others what they should be wearing? Its personal choice and freedom of people. forcing people to take off hijab is as bad as forcing them to wear it ..they are boht extremism

Hi,

Veil is an issue---.

 

[Divergent]

Sir, as mentioned already (post#153), the face is not considered ‘awrah' in the three main schools of Islamic law.

Some people who get aroused by hands and feet - face is out of the question! That's their problem and shouldn't enforce every woman to dress like Casper.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Hi,

Veil is an issue---.

And The eyes who's judging it as one...

 

[MastanKhan]

And The eyes who's judging it as one...

Eyes are the gateway to the soul---.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Eyes are the gateway to the soul---.

Therefore biased...

 

[MastanKhan]

Therefore biased...

Hi,

Well---a pakistan grand mother says to his grandson---don't trust these white women with blue eyes. You cannot see thru them.

Ok---the grandson many years later came across a situation where a white grandmother is telling her grand daughter---don't trust these people with black eyes---you cannot see thru them.

And when I heard that---i was laughing uncontrolably like a crazy man---.

Live and learn my man---live and learn.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Hi,
Veil is an issue---.

I don't see it issue because I used to work with women who were wearing it and I had no issue dealing with them.. Its our own prejudices and bigotry which make it issue

 

[El Sidd]

Can I just add my two cents here? Although this really is not my expertise.

Again tolerance is one word missing from the whole thread.

Just follow the law as defined by the country itself. It took official emergency in France to get the veil banned since SC threw out on basis of human rights.

Regarding what is prescribed in religion is to everyone's own interpretation and will be answerable when the hour is established. There is no compulsion in religion.

Strange to see guys taking a hard-line approach while ignoring a lady's opinion. Stop with the insecurities.

Regarding compulsory or optional that is for a woman to decide herself. It is a matter of taqwa and not fardh. Modesty is however encouraged and it is relative to one's understanding and cultural restraints.

Security measures if require strict action should be tolerated by Muslims and they shall reap the benefits for that.

Last request would be to discuss matters in a civil manner and there is no need for name calling.

Huqooq ul ibad take precedence over huqooq ul Allah. Keep that in mind always.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't see it issue because I used to work with women who were wearing it and I had no issue dealing with them.. Its our own prejudices and bigotry which make it issue

Hi,

I can understand that---to some extent.

 

[Divergent]

Can I just add my two cents here? Although this really is not my expertise.

Again tolerance is one word missing from the whole thread.

Just follow the law as defined by the country itself. It took official emergency in France to get the veil banned since SC threw out on basis of human rights.

Regarding what is prescribed in religion is to everyone's own interpretation and will be answerable when the hour is established. There is no compulsion in religion.

Strange to see guys taking a hard-line approach while ignoring a lady's opinion. Stop with the insecurities.

Regarding compulsory or optional that is for a woman to decide herself. It is a matter of taqwa and not fardh. Modesty is however encouraged and it is relative to one's understanding and cultural restraints.

Security measures if require strict action should be tolerated by Muslims and they shall reap the benefits for that.

Last request would be to discuss matters in a civil manner and there is no need for name calling.

Huqooq ul ibad take precedence over huqooq ul Allah. Keep that in mind always.

Eloquently said and some of these men talk so high of honour yet can't engage in civil debates. Is it because a girl poses a question? Thinks? Challenges? Lol

 

[HannibalBarca]

Hi,

Well---a pakistan grand mother says to his grandson---don't trust these white women with blue eyes. You cannot see thru them.

Ok---the grandson many years later came across a situation where a white grandmother is telling her grand daughter---don't trust these people with black eyes---you cannot see thru them.

And when I heard that---i was laughing uncontrolably like a crazy man---.

Live and learn my man---live and learn.

Were you the grandson?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Well this has been an enriching and pointless thread. Kudos to OP

 

[El Sidd]

Eloquently said and some of these men talk so high of honour yet can't engage in civil debates. Is it because a girl poses a question? Thinks? Challenges? Lol

Bibi i ask you to just exercise patience when it comes to opening ' provacitive ' threads.

Pakistanis work very hard for the image we portray.