F-35 myths and facts

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

did you even read my message? i said 5th generation fighters cant use BVR missiles against each others.. as they will only find each others based on thermal signature when they are close to each other... That is the reason, every country develop their own 5th generation twin engine fighter as the maneuverability will be very important..

You think a 40,000+ lb F-22 made of aluminium, titanium is difficult to find by radar? I don't think so.

The high performance capabilities of the F-22 requires the significant use of titanium (42 % of all structural materials by weight)

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-mp.htm

Even WW2 era radar can spot an F-22 from a hundred miles away.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Su-57 has unique features. F-35 does not. F-22 does not. J-20 does not. J-20 basically copied F-35's DSI and EOTS.

Su-57 has 4 faced AESA and 3D thrust vectoring. These are not found on other jets.

bone of the biggest radar reflections source are engine fan blades and in Su-57 80% fan blade are exposed through air intakes of Su-57 thats why J-20, F-35 uses DSI hide engine fan blades from the radars waves, Do you know what are the classified tech are used by J-20, F-22, f-35 @undertakerwwefan Name one Fighter jets that uses ETOS tech before F-35/J-20 @undertakerwwefan and why do you think that ETOS tech is not revolutionary/unique Tech @undertakerwwefan

All these jets are made of titanium and aluminium. Does Su-57 has bigger RCS than the other ones? Maybe maybe not. I don't have the means to know. No one does. Even if that is true, so what? Big countries don't fight each other. The only purpose 5th gen jets have is bomb truck against Qaeda fags.

Titanium is old tech only used on SR-71 spy plane of 60 era, Modern 4.5th/5th gen jets are currently build on CARBON REINFORCED PLASTIC/CARBON FIBERS materials @undertakerwwefan so you could update yourself @undertakerwwefan

It is tradition. Tradition is a powerful thing. It is inspiration and inspires Russian children to take up STEM considering their ancestors accomplished such great feats no one else was able to accomplish.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Again. And again. And again.

Answer my simple question which tech developed first Space tech or fighter Tech @undertakerwwefan

 

[Kamil_baku]

If F-35 see F-22 first he has better chance to win.

you are wrong, because, it f35 see it first it can fire first, but with maneuver f22 can run away from that missile, but f35 will not be able to run with less than 2 mach speed and less maneuver.. that is the main difference...

 

[Deidara]

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[Ultima Thule]

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Reported for abusing/insulting you dagga illiterate Punjabi @Deidara

you are wrong, because, it f35 see it first it can fire first, but with maneuver f22 can run away from that missile, but f35 will not be able to run with less than 2 mach speed and less maneuver.. that is the main difference...

how can evade the missile traveling Mach 4+ and can maneuver 40/50 Gs the only way to evade AAMS is electronics (ECM ECCM EW) not top speed/maneuverability/TVC @Kamil_baku

 

[500]

you are wrong, because, it f35 see it first it can fire first, but with maneuver f22 can run away from that missile, but f35 will not be able to run with less than 2 mach speed and less maneuver.. that is the main difference...

AMRAAM has 4 Mach + speed and can maneuver at 40 g +. F-22 has 2 Mach speed and 9 g maneuver.

That's where the F-35 loses out on.

You can't lose to plane which can't see u.

That's irrelevant. 200-300 prototypes are no use. Anyway, it's because of concurrency that the F-35 program was attacked.

You are wrong. These are not prototypes but early lots. They all will be upgraded.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

A-10, Su-25, Su-34 can't defend themselves from air defense jets, they have only short range air to air missile for deffense @undertakerwwefan they are basically CAS (CLOSE AIR SUPPORT) and strike jets @undertakerwwefan


in just one case @WarKa DaNG exception is happen at any time, that doesn't meant that F-35 is useless/crap @WarKa DaNG

But it aint that good as they are showing to us

 

[Ultima Thule]

But it aint that good as they are showing to us

F-35 is World most electronically advanced jet @WarKa DaNG

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

bone of the biggest radar reflections source are engine fan blades and in Su-57 80% fan blade are exposed through air intakes of Su-57 thats why J-20, F-35 uses DSI hide engine fan blades from the radars waves,

Covering your head with a cloth, I can still see your head, doesn't decrease your head's visibility. Covering your head with anything more porous than your head doesn't decrease your head's visibility. Engine blades covers do nothing to prevent radio waves reflected back to the radar. It's simple physics. Just like you cannot create energy out of thin air, you cannot reduce something's electromagnetic reflectance by simply covering it, you have to reduce its physical size or change its shape or paint it with a material that absorbs electromagnetic radiation which is then converted to heat (law of conservation of energy) or reduce the amount of incoming electromagnetic radiation that can reach it.

A good way to reduce frontal RCS is by using DSI type air intakes.

Because the DSI's bumps are round, they greatly scatter incoming radio waves and therefore ensures that much less of the incoming radio waves pass through the bumps and reach the engine blades to be reflected back to the emitting radar.

Name one Fighter jets that uses ETOS tech before F-35/J-20 @undertakerwwefan and why do you think that ETOS tech is not revolutionary/unique Tech

Unique means only one plane got it, no other plane does. EOTS is not unique because both J-20 and F-35 use it. DSI is not unique because J-20, JF-17, F-35, J-10 all use it. Revolutionary doesn't mean unique.

4 faced AESA is unique, because no plane other than Su-57 got it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You think a 40,000+ lb F-22 made of aluminium, titanium is difficult to find by radar? I don't think so.

The high performance capabilities of the F-22 requires the significant use of titanium (42 % of all structural materials by weight)

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-mp.htm

Even WW2 era radar can spot an F-22 from a hundred miles away.

yeah yeah Even roman empire can detect F-22 thousand of miles away @undertakerwwefan

and titanium is metal and all metals have big radar reflective material, Currently all 4.5th 5th gen jets are being built by CARBON REINFORCE PLASTIC & CARBON FIBERS to decrease RCS and being a light weight @undertakerwwefan

Covering your head with a cloth, I can still see your head, doesn't decrease your head's visibility. Covering your head with anything more porous than your head doesn't decrease your head's visibility. Engine blades covers do nothing to prevent radio waves reflected back to the radar. It's simple physics. Just like you cannot create energy out of thin air, you cannot reduce something's electromagnetic reflectance by simply covering it, you have to reduce its physical size or change its shape or paint it with a material that absorbs electromagnetic radiation which is then converted to heat (law of conservation of energy) or reduce the amount of incoming electromagnetic radiation that can reach it.

A good way to reduce frontal RCS is by using DSI type air intakes.

Because the DSI's bumps are round, they greatly scatter incoming radio waves and therefore ensures that much less of the incoming radio waves pass through the bumps and reach the engine blades to be reflected back to the emitting radar.

you don't know what is you taking about do research before you post , you contradicting yourself ENGINE FAN BLADES are one of the biggest radar reflective you admit or not and there are ways to hide ENGINE FAN BLADES from radar waves @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

you don't know what is you taking about do research before you post , you contradicting yourself ENGINE FAN BLADES are one of the biggest radar reflective you admit or not and there are ways to hide ENGINE FAN BLADES from radar waves @undertakerwwefan

You hide it with DSI bumps. You don't hide it with a cloth.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Unique means only one plane got it, no other plane does. EOTS is not unique because both J-20 and F-35 use it. DSI is not unique because J-20, JF-17, F-35, J-10 all use it. Revolutionary doesn't mean unique.

4 faced AESA is unique, because no plane other than Su-57 got it.

what fcuk @undertakerwwefan , What is the definition of Unqiue @undertakerwwefan


4 faced AESA doesn't any single unqiue features on Su-57 @undertakerwwefan

You hide it with DSI bumps. You don't hide it with a cloth.

What do you mean about Cloth @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

what fcuk @undertakerwwefan , What is the definition of Unqiue @undertakerwwefan

Are you unique? God I hope so.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Are you unique? God I hope so.

So you have no definition of Unique but you fall in love with Su-57 without basic technical know how and degrade other 5th gen without basic technical knowlegde/know how @undertakerwwefan keep ranting/. bashing without base @undertakerwwefan enjoy:

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

So you have no definition of Unique but you fall in love with Su-57 without basic technical know how and degrade other 5th gen without basic technical knowlegde/know how @undertakerwwefan keep ranting/. bashing without base @undertakerwwefan enjoy:

I never said any plane is a piece of crap the way you describes Su-57. You are the one who is biased. You are the one who is racist. I stated Su-57 is unique because no other plane has 4 faced AESA. This is fact. You are the one who is denying fact unless you admit it or you find another plane that has 4 faced AESA.