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a nice vedio dear, good work!
lets figure out the weapons systems:
76.2 mm calibre AK176M main gun
next to main gun are the 6-cell RDC-32 anti-submarine rockets.
firing display in vedio at 2.01 min and 2.12 min respectively
Anti ship missile(C-802/C-803 as debated above)
firing display in vedio at 0.55 min
FM-90N SAM
firing display at 1.04 min
Type 730 CIWS
firing at 2.55 min
now there is a firing display of two weapon systems from 2.25 min to 2.30 min. to me these look like chaff/decoy system.
i will appreciate if someone can/do confirm it
thanks to RazGriz for the vedio!
regards!
they could be chaff/decoy, but they can also be flares....(ships have to have them because they can be use in case of emergency or after power loss...)
well i did my research and found basically nothing.......but they could be RDC-32 anti sub rockets! (yes i kno there are two more launchers beside main gun)
i red it some where that those missile canisters can also carry or be replace by anti sub munition. and if u look at the video again carefully then u will see that hose rockets (or watever they r) are placed where the missile canisters are!
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i have checked it,
they are not secon assembly of rockets but are decoys!
the flare and chaff stuff is he one we already have picked!
i amstill trying to catch another source of mine who can provide us wih more details!
regards!
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A decoy is usually a person, device or event meant as a distraction to conceal what an individual or a group might be looking for. Decoys have been used for centuries most notably in game hunting, but also in wartime and in the committing or resolving of crimes.
The decoy in war may for example be a wooden fake tank, designed to be mistaken by bomber plane crews to be real, or a device that fools an automatic system such as a guided missile, by simulating some physical properties of a real target.
For a defense system, decoys and chaff for ICBMs would mainly work in mid-course: during the boost phase they would be inside the rocket, because separate rockets for each of many decoys would not be practical, while at atmospheric reentry light decoys and chaff considerably slow down and/or are destroyed in the atmosphere.
The decoy in war may for example be a wooden fake tank, designed to be mistaken by bomber plane crews to be real, or a device that fools an automatic system such as a guided missile, by simulating some physical properties of a real target.
For a defense system, decoys and chaff for ICBMs would mainly work in mid-course: during the boost phase they would be inside the rocket, because separate rockets for each of many decoys would not be practical, while at atmospheric reentry light decoys and chaff considerably slow down and/or are destroyed in the atmosphere.
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The AN/SLQ-49 "Rubber Duck" Chaff Bouy Decoy System consists of inflatable radar-reflecting decoy buoys, to seduce radar-guided anti-shipping cruise missiles. Deployed in pairs connected by a 5-meter line, the decoys are effective for up to 3 hours in sea state 4. The AN/SLQ-49 "Rubber Duck" decoy simulates the radar cross section of ships, protecting against missiler attack. The systems are stored ready for use on a warship's deck, and when required they are launched and become operational within seconds. They float on the sea surface and provide a strong radar return to seduce incoming radar guided missiles, presenting the missile with a far stronger and more attractive target than the warship.
The heart of the decoy is the radar array, which which simulates the appearance of the ship, . reflecting radar signals back towards their source. High accuracy in construction enhances the physical decoy's "size" apparent to the incoming missile. The radar array is suspended inside an inflatable framework constructed of fabric and incorporating features to facilitate speed and consistency of operation. A gassing system is used to pressurise the framework and to serve as a drogue to anchor the floating decoy. The gassing system utilises gas cylinder technology to ensure minimum stored volume and mass while providing rapid and maximum inflation.
The original AN/SLQ-49 decoy system has been in operational service since 1985 with the Royal Navy, the U.S. navy and other NATO countries. Configured originally for confusion and distraction roles, it has demonstrated an effective seduction capability.
The heart of the decoy is the radar array, which which simulates the appearance of the ship, . reflecting radar signals back towards their source. High accuracy in construction enhances the physical decoy's "size" apparent to the incoming missile. The radar array is suspended inside an inflatable framework constructed of fabric and incorporating features to facilitate speed and consistency of operation. A gassing system is used to pressurise the framework and to serve as a drogue to anchor the floating decoy. The gassing system utilises gas cylinder technology to ensure minimum stored volume and mass while providing rapid and maximum inflation.
The original AN/SLQ-49 decoy system has been in operational service since 1985 with the Royal Navy, the U.S. navy and other NATO countries. Configured originally for confusion and distraction roles, it has demonstrated an effective seduction capability.
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here is a link for more information .i still cannot upload picture so giving the link
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA319248
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA319248
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2:24 and 2:42 port and starboard Type 947 trainable 10 barrel 130mm chaff/decoy launcher
2:30 six-tube trainable 100mm launcher, for chaff/decoys.
Sources:
Naval Institute Guide to world naval weapon systems(p. 342).
CDF/Koxinga "A brief history of chinese naval radar and EW developments" (p33)
2:30 six-tube trainable 100mm launcher, for chaff/decoys.
Sources:
Naval Institute Guide to world naval weapon systems(p. 342).
CDF/Koxinga "A brief history of chinese naval radar and EW developments" (p33)
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Third F-22P frigate arrives from China
KARACHI: The third frigate of F-22P class named PNS Saif arrived from China on Monday and would be shortly inducted into the Pakistan Navy.
Onboard the PNS Saif, Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Tanveer Faiz said the ship’s addition would greatly enhance the operational flexibility and reach of Pakistan Navy. The ships were likely to serve for a long time, he added. Earlier, PNS Saif Commanding Officer Captain Zubair Shafiq said the F-22P project envisaged the construction of four frigates. Three ships were constructed in China and the last ship was under construction at Karachi Shipyard, he added. staff report
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KARACHI: The third frigate of F-22P class named PNS Saif arrived from China on Monday and would be shortly inducted into the Pakistan Navy.
Onboard the PNS Saif, Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Tanveer Faiz said the ship’s addition would greatly enhance the operational flexibility and reach of Pakistan Navy. The ships were likely to serve for a long time, he added. Earlier, PNS Saif Commanding Officer Captain Zubair Shafiq said the F-22P project envisaged the construction of four frigates. Three ships were constructed in China and the last ship was under construction at Karachi Shipyard, he added. staff report
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Pakistan to take command of Task Force-151 in December
By Azeem Samar
KARACHI: The Pakistan Navy, will takeover the command of Combined Task Force-151 from December 01, as this is the first time Pakistan will lead the international maritime coalition force which has been operating in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia coast against piracy in international seas.
Commander Pakistan Fleet, Vice-Admiral Taveer Faiz said this on Monday while briefing newsmen on arrival here at the PN the Dockyard of third F-22P frigate PNS Saif from Shanghai, China.
The new F-22P ship, the third in the series built for Pakistan Navy in the Shanghai shipyard, will be formally inducted in the Pakistan Navy fleet in a ceremony on November 11. The last and fourth F-22P ship is currently being built at the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) under a transfer of technology agreement from China. The fourth F-22P ship will be ready by 2013. For the construction of this frigate, special modifications were made in KSEW for making the shipyard capable of building warships.
Pakistan signed a contract with China for four F-22P ships in 2005, among which the last one would be built in Pakistan. The first F-22P frigate of the series, PNS Zulfiqar, was handed over to Pakistan Navy in July 2009.
The PN fleet commander said that previously Pakistan Navy had commanded the Combined Task Force-150 active in Northern Arabian Sea against multiple maritime threats including terrorism, piracy, human, and contraband smuggling.
He said that at a time one ship and one helicopter of Pakistan Navy were taking part in each of the combined maritime task force 150 and 151, which comprises several regional and international navies.
During its participation in the in the two coalition forces, the Pakistan Navy acquired knowledge about procedures and operations of modern and bigger naval forces. Moreover, he said that with operations of CTF-150, the maritime region bordering Pakistan, especially Strait of Hormuz had been rendered safe for international sea trade especially for oil shipments. Otherwise, it would be difficult for Pakistan alone to safeguard the whole strategically important maritime area.
The navies of Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Thailand, the UK, the USA, Australia, Italy, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, take part in CTF-150 in the Northern Arabian Sea. Vice-Admiral Faiz said that induction of modern naval platforms like F-22P had greatly enhanced maritime defence capabilities of Pakistan against major sea threats faced by the country.
Replying to a question regarding naval capabilities of India, the PN fleet commander said that ìwe are not into any arms race with any country.î Efforts have always made to enhance naval weapon and aviation capabilities so that Pakistan Navy can put up a capable and honourable defence of the countryís maritime frontiers, he added.
He said that with induction of F-22P ships, Pakistan has found an economical and affordable solution to upgrade and modernise its defence capabilities. This had to be done as the maritime region adjacent to the country has a crucial sea route, which carries around 66 per cent oil and energy supplies of the world.
Commanding Officer, PNS Saif, Captain Muhammad Zubair Shafique, said the F-22P is a state-of-the-art sword class ship equipped with long range surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, depth charges, torpedoes, latest automatic 76 mm guns, close-in-weapon system, electronic warfare and advanced control system.
The Chinese frigate has advance anti-submarine warfare capability with state-of-the-art SONAR that can detect submarines at long ranges. The ship anti-submarine capabilities are enhanced as it carries Z9EC helicopter especially built for the purpose. Captain Shafique said the PNS Saif, the new F-22P frigate, had arrived at PN Dockyard from Shanghai China after visiting ports of Brunei, Jakarta, Bangkok, Maldives, as goodwill maritime gestures.
Meanwhile, about the Gwadar Port deal, the naval fleet commander said the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir in his capacity of federal governmentís adviser on maritime affairs, had advised the government to revisit the agreement, it had singed with Port of Singapore Authority for operations and development of infrastructure at Gwadar port.
By Azeem Samar
KARACHI: The Pakistan Navy, will takeover the command of Combined Task Force-151 from December 01, as this is the first time Pakistan will lead the international maritime coalition force which has been operating in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia coast against piracy in international seas.
Commander Pakistan Fleet, Vice-Admiral Taveer Faiz said this on Monday while briefing newsmen on arrival here at the PN the Dockyard of third F-22P frigate PNS Saif from Shanghai, China.
The new F-22P ship, the third in the series built for Pakistan Navy in the Shanghai shipyard, will be formally inducted in the Pakistan Navy fleet in a ceremony on November 11. The last and fourth F-22P ship is currently being built at the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) under a transfer of technology agreement from China. The fourth F-22P ship will be ready by 2013. For the construction of this frigate, special modifications were made in KSEW for making the shipyard capable of building warships.
Pakistan signed a contract with China for four F-22P ships in 2005, among which the last one would be built in Pakistan. The first F-22P frigate of the series, PNS Zulfiqar, was handed over to Pakistan Navy in July 2009.
The PN fleet commander said that previously Pakistan Navy had commanded the Combined Task Force-150 active in Northern Arabian Sea against multiple maritime threats including terrorism, piracy, human, and contraband smuggling.
He said that at a time one ship and one helicopter of Pakistan Navy were taking part in each of the combined maritime task force 150 and 151, which comprises several regional and international navies.
During its participation in the in the two coalition forces, the Pakistan Navy acquired knowledge about procedures and operations of modern and bigger naval forces. Moreover, he said that with operations of CTF-150, the maritime region bordering Pakistan, especially Strait of Hormuz had been rendered safe for international sea trade especially for oil shipments. Otherwise, it would be difficult for Pakistan alone to safeguard the whole strategically important maritime area.
The navies of Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Thailand, the UK, the USA, Australia, Italy, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, take part in CTF-150 in the Northern Arabian Sea. Vice-Admiral Faiz said that induction of modern naval platforms like F-22P had greatly enhanced maritime defence capabilities of Pakistan against major sea threats faced by the country.
Replying to a question regarding naval capabilities of India, the PN fleet commander said that ìwe are not into any arms race with any country.î Efforts have always made to enhance naval weapon and aviation capabilities so that Pakistan Navy can put up a capable and honourable defence of the countryís maritime frontiers, he added.
He said that with induction of F-22P ships, Pakistan has found an economical and affordable solution to upgrade and modernise its defence capabilities. This had to be done as the maritime region adjacent to the country has a crucial sea route, which carries around 66 per cent oil and energy supplies of the world.
Commanding Officer, PNS Saif, Captain Muhammad Zubair Shafique, said the F-22P is a state-of-the-art sword class ship equipped with long range surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, depth charges, torpedoes, latest automatic 76 mm guns, close-in-weapon system, electronic warfare and advanced control system.
The Chinese frigate has advance anti-submarine warfare capability with state-of-the-art SONAR that can detect submarines at long ranges. The ship anti-submarine capabilities are enhanced as it carries Z9EC helicopter especially built for the purpose. Captain Shafique said the PNS Saif, the new F-22P frigate, had arrived at PN Dockyard from Shanghai China after visiting ports of Brunei, Jakarta, Bangkok, Maldives, as goodwill maritime gestures.
Meanwhile, about the Gwadar Port deal, the naval fleet commander said the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir in his capacity of federal governmentís adviser on maritime affairs, had advised the government to revisit the agreement, it had singed with Port of Singapore Authority for operations and development of infrastructure at Gwadar port.
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KARACHI (updated on: November 08, 2010, 19:30 PST): PNS Saif, the F-22P Frigate has arrived at the Karachi Port. PNS Saif, the third ship of the F-22P series, delivered to Pakistan Navy in September this year.
Briefing newsmen on board PNS Saif, the Commander Pakistan Fleet, Vice-Admiral Tanveer Faiz, said that contract was signed in 2005 with China for four ships of F-22P type.
As part of the contract, three ships were to be constructed in China and one in Pakistan with the assistance of Chinese shipyard.
Admiral Faiz said that PNS Saif is the third ship constructed in China.
He stated that fourth one is under construction at the Karachi Shipyard and would be completed in couple of years.
For the construction of this ship, a lot of upgradation and modifications were carried out at the Karachi Shipyard.
Admiral Faiz said that these are very capable ships and that because of these there has been a boost to the defence capabilities of Pakistan Navy.
He was of the view that the price of these ships was also affordable.
F-22P Frigate is state of the art ship which has been specially designed to meet Pakistan Navy's requirement in multi-threat environment.
PNS Zulfiquar was the first of the series of four ships. The ship arrived in Pakistan in September 2009 and formally inducted in Pakistan Navy Fleet.
The second ship PNS Shamsheer reached Pakistan in January 2010 and formally inducted in PN Fleet in February 2010.
Since their induction, both the ships are undertaking the assigned tasks successfully. They have also participated in various Naval exercises and proved their worthiness and significance for Pakistan Navy.
Earlier, the Commanding Officer of PNS Saif, Captain Muhammad Zubair Shafiq, also briefed the newsmen regarding various aspects of the vessel.
YouTube - PNS Saif (F22P Frigate)
Details:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/79761-pns-saif-arrives-karachi-port.html#post1256534
Briefing newsmen on board PNS Saif, the Commander Pakistan Fleet, Vice-Admiral Tanveer Faiz, said that contract was signed in 2005 with China for four ships of F-22P type.
As part of the contract, three ships were to be constructed in China and one in Pakistan with the assistance of Chinese shipyard.
Admiral Faiz said that PNS Saif is the third ship constructed in China.
He stated that fourth one is under construction at the Karachi Shipyard and would be completed in couple of years.
For the construction of this ship, a lot of upgradation and modifications were carried out at the Karachi Shipyard.
Admiral Faiz said that these are very capable ships and that because of these there has been a boost to the defence capabilities of Pakistan Navy.
He was of the view that the price of these ships was also affordable.
F-22P Frigate is state of the art ship which has been specially designed to meet Pakistan Navy's requirement in multi-threat environment.
PNS Zulfiquar was the first of the series of four ships. The ship arrived in Pakistan in September 2009 and formally inducted in Pakistan Navy Fleet.
The second ship PNS Shamsheer reached Pakistan in January 2010 and formally inducted in PN Fleet in February 2010.
Since their induction, both the ships are undertaking the assigned tasks successfully. They have also participated in various Naval exercises and proved their worthiness and significance for Pakistan Navy.
Earlier, the Commanding Officer of PNS Saif, Captain Muhammad Zubair Shafiq, also briefed the newsmen regarding various aspects of the vessel.
YouTube - PNS Saif (F22P Frigate)
Details:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/79761-pns-saif-arrives-karachi-port.html#post1256534
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Pakistan needs more F-22Ps, not Type 054A
The first F22P frigate visited Malaysia in August 2009
Kuala Lumpur, KLS: Pakistans Navy is looking at expanding its F22P frigate fleet, either construct the exactly same F22P or improved variant of F22P.
Chief of Naval Staff of Pakistan, Admiral Noman Bashir told KLS that because of geographical factor, Pakistan needs more ships to cover the vast area.
We need to expand F22P, whether we do exactly the same as F22P or we make some upgrade, make it even better. Because of the technology is changing every year, in order to keep it up to date, you have to keep upgrading what you have.
Pakistan ordered four F22P frigates from China in 2005, the first three ships will be built in China while the last in Pakistan. The first F22P was delivered to Pakistan in mid 2009.
Apart from that, there are reports saying that procuring Chinese Type 054A Frigate is part of Pakistan Navys expansion program. Type 054A is a 4000+ ton missile frigate, installed with vertical launch missile launchers and advanced radar and fire control systems.
F22P frigate is an improved version of Chinese Type 053H3 frigate, its full load displacement is 3000+ton but without any vertical launch system.
Type 054A is a bigger ship than F22P, but we may not acquire 054, but we need to upgrade F22P, to become closer to 054, Admiral Noman Bashir said.
Type 054A XuZhou is installed with 32 cells vertical launcher system. XuZhou called on Port Klang in Dec 2009.
He commented that Type 054A is a very successful ship for PLA Navy.
He said F22P can be modified to become closer to Type 054A, but not exactly like that. Pakistan Navy is discussing with Chinese counterparts about its future frigate upgrading program.
He added for the time being, Pakistan Navy is engaging with F22P program, only once they have finished it then goes to second.
The fourth F22P will take about a year for construction, then we will talk about that.
He not ruled out the possibility of naming the next generation frigate as F23P.
The first F22P frigate visited Malaysia in August 2009
Kuala Lumpur, KLS: Pakistans Navy is looking at expanding its F22P frigate fleet, either construct the exactly same F22P or improved variant of F22P.
Chief of Naval Staff of Pakistan, Admiral Noman Bashir told KLS that because of geographical factor, Pakistan needs more ships to cover the vast area.
We need to expand F22P, whether we do exactly the same as F22P or we make some upgrade, make it even better. Because of the technology is changing every year, in order to keep it up to date, you have to keep upgrading what you have.
Pakistan ordered four F22P frigates from China in 2005, the first three ships will be built in China while the last in Pakistan. The first F22P was delivered to Pakistan in mid 2009.
Apart from that, there are reports saying that procuring Chinese Type 054A Frigate is part of Pakistan Navys expansion program. Type 054A is a 4000+ ton missile frigate, installed with vertical launch missile launchers and advanced radar and fire control systems.
F22P frigate is an improved version of Chinese Type 053H3 frigate, its full load displacement is 3000+ton but without any vertical launch system.
Type 054A is a bigger ship than F22P, but we may not acquire 054, but we need to upgrade F22P, to become closer to 054, Admiral Noman Bashir said.
Type 054A XuZhou is installed with 32 cells vertical launcher system. XuZhou called on Port Klang in Dec 2009.
He commented that Type 054A is a very successful ship for PLA Navy.
He said F22P can be modified to become closer to Type 054A, but not exactly like that. Pakistan Navy is discussing with Chinese counterparts about its future frigate upgrading program.
He added for the time being, Pakistan Navy is engaging with F22P program, only once they have finished it then goes to second.
The fourth F22P will take about a year for construction, then we will talk about that.
He not ruled out the possibility of naming the next generation frigate as F23P.
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Think and say of these frigates what you will, but they have nice lines and are pleasing to the eye. Just wish they had a slightly more modern sensor fit in some respects (no 'TV antennea' for radar ;-) and a VLS forward (South African Umkhonto would be nice, but an FL3000n would do nicely too even if it isn't VL)
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Pakistan ship in Colombo
Pakistan Navy ship Pns Zulfiquar (F-22P Frigate) reached Colombo on Tuesday to participate in the 60th Anniversary celebrations of the Sri Lanka Navy. Pakistan’s Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir also arrived in Colombo to participate in the celebrations.
On arrival in Colombo, the Ship’s band, dressed up in traditional naval uniform, presented melodious tunes as it sailed into the Colombo Harbour. The crew will participate in various events planned during the stay in Colombo, including the Presidential Fleet Review, International Band Fiesta and Sailing Regatta.
Pns Zulfiquar is the pioneer ship of the Sword Class, F-22P Frigate Project. It is the third ship, named Zulfiquar after the sword of Hazrat Ali. The steel cutting ceremony of the ship was held on October 10, 2006. The keel was laid on July 24, 2007 and the ship was subsequently launched on April 7, 2008 for sea trials. Upon successful completion of the trials and missiles and weapons firing, the ship was commissioned on July 30, 2009 in China. Upon arrival in Pakistan, the ship was formally inducted in Pakistan Navy Fleet on September 19, 2009.
The ship is fitted with state of the art weapons and sensors and carries a Z9EC helicopter. The F-22P Project encompasses construction of three frigates in China and also envisages complete transfer of technology for the construction of fourth ship at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works.
The ship visited Colombo during her maiden voyage from Shanghai in September 2009.
Pakistan Navy ship Pns Zulfiquar (F-22P Frigate) reached Colombo on Tuesday to participate in the 60th Anniversary celebrations of the Sri Lanka Navy. Pakistan’s Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir also arrived in Colombo to participate in the celebrations.
On arrival in Colombo, the Ship’s band, dressed up in traditional naval uniform, presented melodious tunes as it sailed into the Colombo Harbour. The crew will participate in various events planned during the stay in Colombo, including the Presidential Fleet Review, International Band Fiesta and Sailing Regatta.
Pns Zulfiquar is the pioneer ship of the Sword Class, F-22P Frigate Project. It is the third ship, named Zulfiquar after the sword of Hazrat Ali. The steel cutting ceremony of the ship was held on October 10, 2006. The keel was laid on July 24, 2007 and the ship was subsequently launched on April 7, 2008 for sea trials. Upon successful completion of the trials and missiles and weapons firing, the ship was commissioned on July 30, 2009 in China. Upon arrival in Pakistan, the ship was formally inducted in Pakistan Navy Fleet on September 19, 2009.
The ship is fitted with state of the art weapons and sensors and carries a Z9EC helicopter. The F-22P Project encompasses construction of three frigates in China and also envisages complete transfer of technology for the construction of fourth ship at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works.
The ship visited Colombo during her maiden voyage from Shanghai in September 2009.
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