F-22p News & Discussions

[aimarraul]

why is 251 still in china? are we about to hand over 3 F-22P together?

 

[Tomahawk]

why is 251 still in china? are we about to hand over 3 F-22P together?

First F-22P would be delivered to Pakistan in August this year and the second one will be delivered in December 2009.

Link: ASIAN DEFENCE: Pakistan Navy to get first F-22P Frigate in August-09

 

[Gucci Juice]

this ship only weighs 3000 tons?

i dont understand why its called a frigate

the new p 28 corvettes under construction weigh 2500 tons and are corvettes.

and talwar class i believe is 4000+ tons

 

[Penguin]

this ship only weighs 3000 tons?

i dont understand why its called a frigate

the new p 28 corvettes under construction weigh 2500 tons and are corvettes.

and talwar class i believe is 4000+ tons

2500t is actually rather on the large side for a corvette. It could perhaps more appropriately be called a light frigate. Most corvettes are 1000-2000t.

Likewise, 4000+ is rather large for a frigate, many more are 3000-4000t (see below) than 4000+ (e.g. Perry class, Halifax class). This excluding the latest 5500-6500t 'frigates' that are actually AAW specialized destroyers

Definitions see e.g. AMI International - NSPD Sample (scroll down 2/3 of the page)

Destroyers (DD or DDG)

A destroyer is currently the largest type of surface combatant currently under construction for world navies. Destroyers have steadily grown in size (now 5,000 to 10,000 tons), expense (nearly US$700 million apiece) and capability. Generally, a destroyer is considered to be a ship that has all of the sensors (including a sophisticated phased-array radar), combat systems, and weapons needed to operate in a high-threat environment. A number of world navies are currently building ships that, while called frigates, more accurately represent destroyers in size and capability. Examples include the Spanish F-100, the German F-124, and the Dutch De Zeven Provincien classes (all are highly capable ships displacing over 5,000 tons and carrying phased-array radars).

Frigates (FF or FFG)

A frigate is a medium-sized surface combatant (between 2,000 and 5,000 tons) that is either suited for one specific role (anti-submarine warfare or anti-air warfare), or has lesser all-around capabilities than a destroyer. A frigate may be less capable than a destroyer, but is still a relatively sophisticated and expensive (averaging around US$325 million apiece) platform. A frigate is generally the smallest surface combatant that can conduct extended blue-water missions in a high-threat environment.

Corvettes (FS)

Corvettes are fast (around 25 knots or better), well-armed ships that displace between 700 and 2000 tons. A corvette is generally not intended for extended ocean-going operations, and is best suited for regional operations. Corvettes are generally the smallest platforms capable of accommodating the sensors, weapons, and combat systems needed to operate in a medium threat environment. Corvettes are sometimes referred to as light frigates (FFLs). It can be assumed that the hull design for a corvette and that of an offshore patrol vessel are very similar. The differences will be in propulsion and outfitting. Corvettes will have higher speed and therefore less endurance and range than OPV, much greater armament, and less space for provisions and habitability.

Corvette examples
1,285t Minerva class (Italy)
1,520t Commandante Class (Italy)
1,650t Meko A-100 (Poland)
1,840t K130 Braunschweig class (Germany)
1,940t Nakhoda Ragam Class (Brunei)

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2,270t Lekiu class / Frigate 2000 (Malaysia) < example "light frigate"
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Frigate examples
2,986t Artigliere/Lupo (Italy/Peru/Venezuela)
3,200t Hydra (Meko 200HN) (Greece)
3,300t M-frigate Karel Doorman class (Netherlands)
3,500t La Fayette class (France)
3,500t Meko A-200 (South Africa)
3,600t ANZAC (Meko 200) (Australia/New Zealand)
3,680t F122 frigate Bremen class (Germany)
3,900t S-frigate Kortenaer class (Netherlands\Greece)

 

[Gucci Juice]

^

thanks, so f22 is basically a light frigate.

and the p 28 is basically a very large corvette

 

[Penguin]

^

thanks, so f22 is basically a light frigate.

and the p 28 is basically a very large corvette

Well, most dimension and displacement quotes (of 2500t) for the F22P are in fact that those of the Type 53H3 on which F-22P is based, which displaces just under 2400t. But for all we know, this modified F22p design may well be closer to 3000t. So, it is hard to tell.

Overall, project 28 officially is a corvette, but in reality she's very similar in size to Jiangwei II (Type 053H3) and likely similar to F22P. If she had anti-ship missiles (which she rather puzzlingly doesn't seem to get), I'ld definitely call it a (light) frigate. Milgem is another borderline case.

Nice F22P pic here

 

[a1b2c145]

How does F-22P reload its misilles without autoloading mechine? like the picture below?
Don't you think it is too slow ? this meas P-22P has to go back to the port reloading missles with the help of crane?

 

[jalip]

How does F-22P reload its misilles without autoloading mechine? like the picture below?
Don't you think it is too slow ? this meas P-22P has to go back to the port reloading missles with the help of crane?

i think they are fitting the missile launchers and above are the pic of tube which contains missile so u only have to load the missiles in the above tube just search youtube for cortale missile or HQ 7 u will find it

 

[Penguin]

How does F-22P reload its misilles without autoloading mechine? like the picture below?
Don't you think it is too slow ? this meas P-22P has to go back to the port reloading missles with the help of crane?

Your first pic shows how it would be done while in port, unassisted but for a harbor crane. In the absense of a port crane, manual reloading is done by sailer-power alone (see pic below). Your second pic shows the assisted reloading mechanism (actually a more accurate description than automatic reloading).

 

[wangrong]

 

[wangrong]

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[wangrong]

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[oct605032048]

it looks like that the third and the last one of F22p that pakistan has ordered in china has nearly completed and right now there are 3 F-22p on the bank of &#27818;&#19996;/Hudong ship building factory in shanghai.

 

[Arsalan]

well they must come home now, it was claimed that the first one will be in Karachi soon! have the arrival been delayed as no news of it getting here?

 

[TaimiKhan]

Well, i guess the 3rd F-22P ship just gives the idea how fast the chinese can make ships & how fast is their defence manufacturing capability, and they have made the ships for pakistan with the same speed as they are building their own navy. The amount of new ships & submarines being inducted into the chinese navy is unbelievable.
I guess when they start building the naval a/c carrier, it will also be done in record time, and will produce 2 in the time span of manufacturing one.

These 3 new ships would be in PN, within a year, which will give a boast to our surface ship capability.

Its now time for PN to check out the latest chinese diesel-electric submarines, the yuan type, have read a lot about it and its impressive, has kilo influence plus AIP system also onboard.

In next phase, PN should go for the latest version of Type-054A or B or may be C , whichever is available.