F-22 vs J-20 - aka USA-made jet fighters vs China-made jet fighters

[Ultima Thule]

Can you prove it?
What radar?
How long?

Bro Bro @HariPrasad and @randomradio are the baseless trolls here on PDF, Don't waste your time with those trolls @LKG

 

[randomradio]

Then why are Russia and China still trying to deploy their 'stealth' fighters?

If it is that easy to defeat 'stealth', especially with the AESA technology, that mean ANYONE can defeat 'stealth' on the cheap. So why are Russia and China struggling to deploy their 'stealth' fighters?

The Russians have no money and the Chinese have no engine.

The J-20 is Dead-On-Arrival (DOA).

I agree.

Can you prove it?
What radar?
How long?

To be fair, the range wasn't mentioned. But our air chief said the J-20 could be detected from a good enough range that the IAF doesn't face an asymmetrical threat from the J-20.

 

[LKJ86]

The Russians have no money and the Chinese have no engine.



I agree.



To be fair, the range wasn't mentioned. But our air chief said the J-20 could be detected from a good enough range that the IAF doesn't face an asymmetrical threat from the J-20.

What radar?

 

[randomradio]

To add to this discussion about radars, even General Hostage pointed out the F-22 needs upgrades.

https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/
When the Raptor was produced it was flying “with computers that were already so out of date you would not find them in a kid’s game console in somebody’s home gaming system.” Still, the U.S. Air Force was forced to use the stealth fighter plane as it was, because that was the way the spec was written. But now, the F-22 must be upgraded through a costly service life extension plan and modernisation program because, “If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22,” says Hostage to Air Force Times.

What radar?

We know two radars were involved. One was the MKI's Bars. Another was a ground based radar, we don't know the type.

This was confirmed by both the air chief and an air commodore.

 

[LKJ86]

You mean those two radars have detected J-20?

To add to this discussion about radars, even General Hostage pointed out the F-22 needs upgrades.

https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/
When the Raptor was produced it was flying “with computers that were already so out of date you would not find them in a kid’s game console in somebody’s home gaming system.” Still, the U.S. Air Force was forced to use the stealth fighter plane as it was, because that was the way the spec was written. But now, the F-22 must be upgraded through a costly service life extension plan and modernisation program because, “If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22,” says Hostage to Air Force Times.



We know two radars were involved. One was the MKI's Bars. Another was a ground based radar, we don't know the type.

This was confirmed by both the air chief and an air commodore.

 

[randomradio]

You mean those two radars have detected J-20?

Yes. Those two radars have detected the J-20, that we know of.

 

[Ultima Thule]

To add to this discussion about radars, even General Hostage pointed out the F-22 needs upgrades.

https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/
When the Raptor was produced it was flying “with computers that were already so out of date you would not find them in a kid’s game console in somebody’s home gaming system.” Still, the U.S. Air Force was forced to use the stealth fighter plane as it was, because that was the way the spec was written. But now, the F-22 must be upgraded through a costly service life extension plan and modernisation program because, “If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22,” says Hostage to Air Force Times.

his personal opinion for satisfying US media, @randomradio

We know two radars were involved. One was the MKI's Bars. Another was a ground based radar, we don't know the type.

This was confirmed by both the air chief and an air commodore.

Few km away from those Indian Radars/AWACS, and then J-20 already fires anti radiation missiles/ PL-15 for destoying your those assets @randomradio

 

[randomradio]

You mean those two radars have detected J-20?

http://idrw.org/not-so-invisible-after-all-su-30-manages-to-detect-top-chinese-stealth-jet/
“The Sukhoi’s radar can see them. The new Chinese jets are not so invisible after all. No special technology is required to detect the J-20, as it can be detected by ordinary radar stations,” Indian Air Force commander Arup Shaha said.

0:51 to 1:16

his personal opinion for satisfying US media, @randomradio

Few km away from those Indian Radars/AWACS, and then J-20 already fires anti radiation missiles/ PL-15 for destoying your those assets @randomradio

It's not "few", it's "plenty".

Watch the above video yourself.

 

[LKJ86]

Yes. Those two radars have detected the J-20, that we know of.

Let's assume that the RCS of J-20 is the same as that of Su-30MKI, how long can Su-30MKI be detected by those two radars?

 

[randomradio]

Let's assume that the RCS of J-20 is the same as that of Su-30MKI, how long can Su-30MKI be detected by those two radars?

Bars should be able to pick up a completely untreated SU-30MKI from way more than 300Km away. It was 330Km against a Su-27 about 20 years ago.

We don't know the ground radars used, so no point talking about it. Those can go from hundreds to thousands of kilometers if necessary, search radars, early warning etc.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Seems someone saw too much Hollywood radar screens...
Reality is Different...

 

[Ultima Thule]

http://idrw.org/not-so-invisible-after-all-su-30-manages-to-detect-top-chinese-stealth-jet/
“The Sukhoi’s radar can see them. The new Chinese jets are not so invisible after all. No special technology is required to detect the J-20, as it can be detected by ordinary radar stations,” Indian Air Force commander Arup Shaha said.

0:51 to 1:16



It's not "few", it's "plenty".

Watch the above video yourself.

i can tell you're all wrong, in 90 NASA tested Canard delta wing design named X-36 and NASA Claiming that X-36 had been extremely stealthy from all angles @randomradio and early one of the JSF design was also Delta Canard design @randomradio


AS for Blabbring for J-20 do you know what is RAM &RAS used on J-20, what is avionics/EM/radar capabilities of J-20 @randomradio , and why US/Pentagon claiming J-20 comparable to F-22 @randomradio

 

[LKJ86]

Bars should be able to pick up a completely untreated SU-30MKI from way more than 300Km away. It was 330Km against a Su-27 about 20 years ago.

We don't know the ground radars used, so no point talking about it. Those can go from hundreds to thousands of kilometers if necessary, search radars, early warning etc.

Can you prove it?

“The Sukhoi’s radar can see them.

It said "can". Had it already seen J-20?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Can you prove it?


It said "can". Had it already seen J-20?

@randomradio has nothing to prove @LKG86 bro

 

[randomradio]

Can you prove it?

I don't know what you mean. Are you asking for a source? It's all open source.

The Su-35's Irbis-E is advertised to have 350Km range vs 3m2 target. The advertised range for the old Bars is 135Km against a 3m2 target. The new Bars is double that of the old Bars.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mini...1m-bars-hybrid-radar-system-su-30-mki.256937/
For aircraft N011M has a 350 km search range and a 200 km tracking range. The radar can track and engage 20 air targets and engage the 8 most threatening targets simultaneously. The forward hemisphere is ±90º in azimuth and ±55º in elevation. These targets can include cruise/ballistic missiles and even motionless helicopters. A MiG-21 for instance can be detected at a distance of up to 135 km. Design maximum search range for an F-16 target was 140-160km. A Bars' earlier variant, fitted with a five-kilowatt transmitter, proved to be capable of acquiring Su-27 fighters at a range of over 330 km.

It said "can". Had it already seen J-20?

They are talking about something that's already been done.

The very next statement is: The new Chinese jets are not so invisible after all.

So it was verified physically before coming to the conclusion.