F-16 deal expires amid Pakistan-US row over finances

[nangyale]

nah I think it is costs 100%

if Pakistan was worried about spares and what not you would have gone with another bird long ago.

you should just go for Su-30MK2 or Su-35 which is cheaper to buy, but their spares costs a lot more than ours. just ask India how bad Russia has been fleecing them over their Su-30MKI

It's not about funds.

It's about agreements.

The US agreed to fund this sale through FMF, which was the reason Pakistan went ahead with this purchase.
From Pakistani perspective it was and still is................... no FMF no purchase.

If the US doesn't hold on to it's end of the deal, then Pakistan doesn't have to either.

 

[mingle]

We never took anything for free....we pay in one way or another ...!

i think PAF drop the idea of more F16 .if we have to pay then better look other option EF is good choice .if we have finances and payment shedule .

 

[volatile]

nah I think it is costs 100%

if Pakistan was worried about spares and what not you would have gone with another bird long ago.

you should just go for Su-30MK2 or Su-35 which is cheaper to buy, but their spares costs a lot more than ours. just ask India how bad Russia has been fleecing them over their Su-30MKI

Other than IAF i have never heard Chinese or some other operators to have such a bad record ,I think it has to do with IAF structure and maintenance as well

 

[ziaulislam]

So why not buying with your own Funds? why depended on US finds for F-16.

you can buy with your own funds.


Well... your current fleet of F-16 and your so called might JFT , isn't up to that job ?

Currently you cannot buy as you don't have funds , Buy Typhoon if u have $$'s?

You people are Confused
A) IF JF-17 is superior ( acc to some) , then why going for F-16?
B) If F-16 dose not matter , then making hue and cry over 8 planes?
C) If alternate available , why not going for it ?
D) IF F-16 is superior , then why don't buy with your own funds ? ( as you are rich)

if you answer this question i would answer you, Idare you now

if su 30MKi is such a superior aircraft than why did you added 6 ac competition inculding gripen c, f-16, f-18 mig 35 and rafale,eurofighter, at a time when none promised AESA radar in 2006. the deal was suppose to end by 2008-10

like what

curious why we are subsidizing nearly 2/3third the cost $430 million dollars.





well if you were paying for 1/3 the cost than what your rich brothers are paying I say you have been making out like a bandit.

if you can't pay full price then maybe you shouldn't be flying F-16 blk 52s in the first place.


just buy more JF-17 or J-10 or Mig-35s

at 100 million a piece you can buy 2x j-10, su 35, even typhoon @130-140 million with no restriction ..f-16 comes with TAG only against terrorism

so better buy 4 typhoons now and slowly build till 18-24 rather than going for 8 new f-16s with super restrictions

other option is buying older f-16s and doing a life upgrade

 

[C130]

It's not about funds.

It's about agreements.

The US agreed to fund this sale through FMF, which was the reason Pakistan went ahead with this purchase.
From Pakistani perspective it was and still is................... no FMF no purchase.

If the US doesn't hold on to it's end of the deal, then Pakistan doesn't have to either.

besides India the Flanker in general has a high life cycle cost compared to Western fighters and F-16.

 

[nangyale]

besides India the Flanker in general has a high life cycle cost compared to Western fighters and F-16.

I never said anything about life cycle costs.

Guess you replied to the wrong person.

 

[war&peace]

Saudia Arabia and UAE do that far more than America. Both are actively involved in strengthening Indian economy. How come I don't see anybody complaining about that?

Just curious?

Because many people are one eyed. USA is evil but KSA is good while pursuing exactly the same policy...why because KSA is our "muslim brethren"...what a hypocrisy.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

if you answer this question i would answer you, Idare you now

if su 30MKi is such a superior aircraft than why did you added 6 ac competition inculding gripen c, f-16, f-18 mig 35 and rafale,eurofighter, at a time when none promised AESA radar in 2006. the deal was suppose to end by 2008-10

We Indians we never claims like you, their this plane is superior to this and that and bla bla, unlike you , JF=17 is superior then F-16 after not getting deal and superior before , when u getting it.

JFT is still in its early life stage like F-16 was in late 70s, it currently lack loiter time, weapons load & avionics compared to F-16 block-50 & specially block-52+. The avionics will definitely surpass Block-52+ level in coming future but to improve loiter time and weapons load it need to be increased like hornet become super hornet although loiter time can be increased with CFTs but it will reduce weapons load carrying capability.

We all know that , but the questions to those posters who changes tune with times. We all knows that F-16 is superior then JF-17 , but most of poster claims otherwise after deal is cancelled.

Are you a street vendor or what ....? You can't see this deal with the same way you see potatoes on a shelf ...no ?

well, if u have money u can buy be it potatoes or plane. but if u money of Meharan , don't even think of Merc. lol

India had the money, World's all plane maker came to India , including your F-16 latest model.

 

[Basel]

We Indians we never claims like you, their this plane is superior to this and that and bla bla, unlike you , JF=17 is superior then F-16 after not getting deal and superior before , when u getting it.


We all know that , but the questions to those posters who changes tune with times. We all knows that F-16 is superior then JF-17 , but most of poster claims otherwise after deal is cancelled.


well, if u have money u can buy be it potatoes or plane. but if u money of Meharan , don't even think of Merc. lol

India had the money, World's all plane maker came to India , including your F-16 latest model.

JFT is superior to PAF's F-16s in terms of variety of weapons carrying capability, PAF can add any weapon to it while this can not be done to PAF's F-16s.

JFT can communicate with Erieye & KE both due to its Pakistan made link-17, while PAF F-16s lack this. JFTs have similar NCW capability like Gripen have.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

JFT is superior to PAF's F-16s in terms of variety of weapons carrying capability, PAF can add any weapon to it while this can not be done to PAF's F-16s.

JFT can communicate with Erieye & KE both due to its Pakistan made link-17, while PAF F-16s lack this. JFTs have similar NCW capability like Gripen have.

At present , F-16 and JF-18 carries same range of weapons

F-16 can do Precision bombing which JFT cant do. Moreover , JF-17 cannot have any major western weapons in JFT.

PAK Erieye uses Link 16 which communicate with F-16 and your JFT. check it again with PAF.

 

[Basel]

At present , F-16 and JF-18 carries same range of weapons

F-16 can do Precision bombing which JFT cant do. Moreover , JF-17 cannot have any major western weapons in JFT.

PAK Erieye uses Link 16 which communicate with F-16 and your JFT. check it again with PAF.

Dear your info is old, JFT can now carry weapons which can hit targets beyond 300kms at sea and land, while F-16 of PAF don't have this standoff capability, JFT can launch PGM too but its current POD is not on par with latest F-16 pod which PAF operates, and Pakistan have develped its own link-17 which can communicate with both NATO and Chinese systems, JFT carry South African and Brazilian systems too, it is fully compatible with NATO systems.

 

[HashimAliKhan]

how about investing in j-20 or j-31?

 

[singlefighter]

If we r futuristic then we have to invest in j 20 stealth with loong range capabilities with no other stealth available for us now in near future and keep production of JFT block 3 with AESA radar, IRST ,new pods and if possible along with new power full engine wich will fuel efficient then we have no need to F16 and just keep the productions bizzy at full capacity which can rise 25 aircraft per year easily then we can match our requirment for phase out old jets like mirages,f7 and f 7p and by 2019 or 2020 we can start getting J20 stealth

 

[singlefighter]

Some sources said J20 is not for export but if PAF and Pak govt go for that aircraft i m sure chinese will not refuse to its old friend Pakistan then we can speed up also JFT with more modern avioncs and more composite air frame wich will increase its range and load carry capacity and new weapons which will made this bird more lethal

 

[Agent PK]

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