F-16 Block 52 vs Mirage 2000-5 Mk2

[HRK]

You gentlemen do understand that majority of F-16s were either sold to US allies (Canada,Australia,Europe), or were given as military aid for free(Egypt, Israel, Pakistan)?

correction not a single F-16 came as Military aid we paid for every single F-16 ......

 

[Sage]

Mirage had him locked on for almost 2 minutes

If the missle range and speed is most vital than the amraamc5 is outgunned by Russian r77 abd su30mki powerful pesa radars. This is the best missle in terms of range and speed in south Asia

Let put it this way

Fifty mica equipped mirage2000/5 and fifty su30mki fighters

V

Paf f16/52/mlu and fifty thunders with sd10

Which combo is the most lethal

You want to have a dick measuring competition darling ?

 

[NKVD]

thanks for the correction
Somewhere I read rdy2 is better than rdy3
is that true??

Yes RC400 or RDY-3 are ment to be fit in smaller aircraft such mirage F1 have smaller size antenna than other RDY radars.

 

[Basel]

No RDY 3 are RC400 are same
And no KLJ-7 is not better than RDY-3 although its performance is desirable in A2A platform but lacks in A2G because of the superb SAR technology in RDY series. That was said by none other than @Oscar.

Now KLJ-7's latest version supersede RC-400 that is why PAF did not went for French avionics for JF-17 again.

 

[The SC]

You gentlemen do understand that majority of F-16s were either sold to US allies (Canada,Australia,Europe), or were given as military aid for free(Egypt, Israel, Pakistan)?

And it is a pretty good aircraft for sure. It may be inferior to European planes in certain conditions, but unless you are comparing recent Eurocanards with F-16, it could hold its ground.

I only think that basing performance criterion on sales volume is stupid in case when rules of game are not same for two aircrafts.




Wrong comparison.

They get F-16's for free. They have to pay for Mirages.

It can hold its ground against F-15s and any other warplane with in par technologies up till now, be it European or Russian.
It is a small, agile and sophisticated warplane. I am not saying that it is the best overall warplane, but it is one of the top line warplanes ever made.

 

[temp1994]

Which they very well could, and given the fact that French and Germans have their ballz in Israelis grips, Israel would've asked them to pay or USA to pay....like they Made Germans pay for the Dolphin submarines.

Mirage is French, not German; and French don't give a flying Fcuk about dead Jews of WWII.

 

[Basel]

Mirage is French, not German; and French don't give a flying Fcuk about dead Jews of WWII.

Basically they did, remember Kfir??

 

[Taygibay]

RDY3 is known as RC400 is not the radar used in M2K upgrade but RDY-2

RDY -2 or -3 does not matter! They're both RC-400s except that the dash 3 was downsized
to fit the smaller nose cone of the Moroccan F1's upgrade!

So you're wrong in part ( Edit : Nope, you fixed it while I wrote, sorry ) but don't worry in any case so are professional media :
The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems.
India’s Fighter Upgrades: Mirage 2000s Grounded Parts, Waiting Upgrades


Oh! Also, one of the reasons for Israel to switch to F-16 was that they were getting money from US
"For the past decades the United States has been regularly transferring aid of about $3 billion annually. In recent years, the aid has been solely for defense purposes. Additionally, the U.S. has been giving Israel generous military aid for projects that are important both to it and to Israel." from :
U.S. military aid to Israel exceeds $100 billion - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz
Now, do you think Washington would give Jerusalem that kind of cash to buy foreign stuff? That's part of the sales team effort our American friend was talking about.
Between a full price fighter and a free one of equivalent quality, which would you choose?
( LOL Another Edit, temp1994 beat me to it, )

Good night all then, Tay.

 

[Donatello]

Mirage is French, not German; and French don't give a flying Fcuk about dead Jews of WWII.

Neither do Americans. (surprised?)

 

[Basel]

If the missle range and speed is most vital than the amraamc5 is outgunned by Russian r77 abd su30mki powerful pesa radars. This is the best missle in terms of range and speed in south Asia

Let put it this way

Fifty mica equipped mirage2000/5 and fifty su30mki fighters

V

Paf f16/52/mlu and fifty thunders with sd10

Which combo is the most lethal

AIM-120-c5 has higher NEZ in your mentioned air to air missiles. @gambit please shed some light on capabilities of AMRAAM-C5 vs MICA-ER and thread's topic.

 

[NKVD]

RDY -2 or -3 does not matter! They're both RC-400s except that the dash 3 was downsized
to fit the smaller nose cone of the Moroccan F1's upgrade!

So you're wrong in part ( Edit : Nope, you fixed it while I wrote, sorry ) but don't worry in any case so are professional media :
The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems.
India’s Fighter Upgrades: Mirage 2000s Grounded Parts, Waiting Upgrades


Oh! Also, one of the reasons for Israel to switch to F-16 was that they were getting money from US
For the past decades the United States has been regularly transferring aid of about $3 billion annually. In recent years, the aid has been solely for defense purposes. Additionally, the U.S. has been giving Israel generous military aid for projects that are important both to it and to Israel.
U.S. military aid to Israel exceeds $100 billion - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz
Now, do you think Washington would give Jerusalem that kind of cash to buy foreign stuff? That's part of the sales team effort our American friend was talking about.
Between a full price fighter and a free one of equivalent quality, which would you choose?

Good day all, Tay.

How can it??be the standard radar given in for mirage-2000-5 mk2 upgrade is
RDY-2 in dassault official site page

Mirage 2000-5 Mk2

Either media is quoted in wrong or its RDY-2 I put an direct official source please see your self.

 

[temp1994]

What game changer MICA is in Indo Pak scenario?? do you know the range of AIM-120-C5 and its capabilities?? M2K-Mk2s will be taking evasive maneuvers to save them self before even they will be able to launch their 60 km range MICA.

Actually India does.

Singapore's F-16s with all their missiles are based in India and they regularly participate in exercise with IAF (with regular I mean on daily basis).

India pretty much has a very good idea of what a F-16 could do and what AIM- series of missiles could do.

 

[Taygibay]

@NKVD
You forgot to read the first sentence or that one :
So you're wrong * … but don't worry in any case so are professional media :
* you were not hence the edit.
You and I agree, mate, the site is mistaken.

Ok, bye gang, I'm off, Tay.

 

[NKVD]

Now KLJ-7's latest version supersede RC-400 that is why PAF did not went for French avionics for JF-17 again.

No it's not you can invite any time radar expertise to confirm.

 

[Dalit]

Irrelevant dick measuring contests. All Americans saying that their F-16 is going to win it hands down are obviously as crazy as those Frenchies proclaiming the same. Comparing fighter jets is always like comparing apples with oranges. Besides, these two aircraft are somewhat in the same league as far as specs and fairly outdated tech is concerned. That should tell anyone with even a single brain cell that aircraft wise it's mostly an even contest. I'll leave the pilot part out of the equation which is an entirely different topic.