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Will these F-16 MLU have CFT installed on them ?
F-16 Block 15MLU/50/52 Fighter
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Will these F-16 MLU have CFT installed on them ?
Only the block52+ has that arrangement. There is no update possible cause it leads to change of fbw and structure.
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Is F-16 Blk 52+ as manvourable as F16 Blk 15???
Bcoz looking at F16 Blk 52+ with CFT, it looks Bulkier and much heavier.
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block 15 is more manoeuvrable then block 52 because is lighter and plus CFT are designed to be low drag..
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the blk52 can fire the harpoon asm but the blk 15 mlu cannot as per blain2. so how r they capable? my question still stands blk 15 mlu is inferior to blk 52!
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More advanced versions means more weight so less agile... Unless you compensate with more power... The E/F version has some intrsting power added but besides that only the Block10-15 A version is the winner when it comes to agility. But if you have better radar, sensors, weapons you do not need that agility to win.
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thx - that settles it! i can sleep in peace now!
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Wats the conclusion, Can F-16 Blk 15 MLU carry Harpoon or not?
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i dont know why people keep looking at block 15 MLU as downgraded or incapable platform for Harpoons.. harpoon was specifically designed for F-18 and F-16 i am talking about MRCAs.. even if as assumed by some members that block 15 MLU will be block 40 equivalent i have already shown photographic evidence that it can carry harpoons.. anyway.. PAF will be getting MLU M-3 not M-2 which has older avionics and radar but M-3 is a great improvement over any other MLU on european f-16 block 15s...
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Block 20 F-16's can also carry Harpoons.
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Lockheed F-16 sale to Iraq would be biggest in 5 years
Bloomberg News
Sept. 5, 2008, 6:26AM
A Lockheed Martin order from Iraq for 36 advanced F-16 fighters would be the biggest export purchase of the plane in five years, according to company data.
Iraq wants to buy the aircraft to reduce its reliance on U.S. airpower, the Wall Street Journal reported. Ann van Hooydonck, Lockheed's spokeswoman in Europe for aerospace issues, didn't return a call seeking comment.
More than 4,300 F-16s have been built for 24 countries, with 52 follow-on purchases by 14 customers, according to the company's Web site. Lockheed won a $3.5 billion agreement in 2003 to sell 48 F-16s to Poland and in 2000 sold 80 of the planes to the United Arab Emirates in an order valued at $6.4 billion.
The Bethesda, Md.-based company's most recent F-16 export order came from Morocco in 2007 for 24 aircraft. Morocco was the 25th country to select the plane, picking the U.S. model over the Rafale from France's Dassault Aviation SA. Other recent orders have come from Turkey and Pakistan.
Lockheed Martin has advanced 8 percent this year in New York trading. The shares traded in Germany fell 0.9 percent to the equivalent of $112.82 as of 12:05 p.m. in Frankfurt.
Production of the F-16 will probably continue beyond 2012, with major upgrades being incorporated for all F-16 versions, Lockheed Chief Executive Officer Robert Stevens said in July at the Farnborough International Air Show in England.
Morocco, Turkey
On June 6, the U.S. awarded Lockheed a contract worth $233.6 million to begin production of the 24 planes for Morocco.
In May 2007, the governments of Turkey and the U.S. signed an agreement for the sale of 30 F-16s. The total value for aircraft and equipment is about $1.8 billion. Turkey had an earlier F-16 order and also pledged to buy F-35 Joint Strike Fighters made by Lockheed Martin.
Pakistan has committed to buy 18 F-16 planes, and may purchase as many as 36.
Iraqi funds would be used to finance its purchase, which would be reviewed by the Defense Department, State Department and Congress, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing people.
www.bloomberg.com
Bloomberg News
Sept. 5, 2008, 6:26AM
A Lockheed Martin order from Iraq for 36 advanced F-16 fighters would be the biggest export purchase of the plane in five years, according to company data.
Iraq wants to buy the aircraft to reduce its reliance on U.S. airpower, the Wall Street Journal reported. Ann van Hooydonck, Lockheed's spokeswoman in Europe for aerospace issues, didn't return a call seeking comment.
More than 4,300 F-16s have been built for 24 countries, with 52 follow-on purchases by 14 customers, according to the company's Web site. Lockheed won a $3.5 billion agreement in 2003 to sell 48 F-16s to Poland and in 2000 sold 80 of the planes to the United Arab Emirates in an order valued at $6.4 billion.
The Bethesda, Md.-based company's most recent F-16 export order came from Morocco in 2007 for 24 aircraft. Morocco was the 25th country to select the plane, picking the U.S. model over the Rafale from France's Dassault Aviation SA. Other recent orders have come from Turkey and Pakistan.
Lockheed Martin has advanced 8 percent this year in New York trading. The shares traded in Germany fell 0.9 percent to the equivalent of $112.82 as of 12:05 p.m. in Frankfurt.
Production of the F-16 will probably continue beyond 2012, with major upgrades being incorporated for all F-16 versions, Lockheed Chief Executive Officer Robert Stevens said in July at the Farnborough International Air Show in England.
Morocco, Turkey
On June 6, the U.S. awarded Lockheed a contract worth $233.6 million to begin production of the 24 planes for Morocco.
In May 2007, the governments of Turkey and the U.S. signed an agreement for the sale of 30 F-16s. The total value for aircraft and equipment is about $1.8 billion. Turkey had an earlier F-16 order and also pledged to buy F-35 Joint Strike Fighters made by Lockheed Martin.
Pakistan has committed to buy 18 F-16 planes, and may purchase as many as 36.
Iraqi funds would be used to finance its purchase, which would be reviewed by the Defense Department, State Department and Congress, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing people.
www.bloomberg.com
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Pakistan cites anti-terrorism need for F-16s
WASHINGTON: Pakistan uses F-16 fighters to support a campaign against border militants and needs upgrades to be able to fly at night, a Pakistani official said on Friday.
The official underlined equipment needs and listed recent achievements fighting al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents ahead of a US congressional hearing next week that will examine the utility of F-16s in US ally Pakistan's war on terrorism.
Pakistan has flown nearly 100 missions during three weeks in August that produced some 500-550 Taliban casualties.
‘These missions have been very focused, and since air power is always effective, the Taliban are very much upset about this and have retaliated,’ said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
‘This campaign will last for some time,’ he told a small group of reporters.
The House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia will hold a hearing on Tuesday and grill Bush administration officials on the F-16 program with Pakistan and its utility in counterterrorism operations against al Qaeda and Taliban extremists.
The title of the hearing -- ‘Defeating al Qaeda's Air Force: Pakistan's F-16 Program in the Fight Against Terrorism’ -- betrays lawmakers' skepticism and belief that Pakistan wants the advanced fighters to deploy against rival India, an analyst said.
In July, two senior Democratic Party lawmakers asked the Bush administration not to shift $226.5 million in US counterterrorism aid to Pakistan to upgrade Pakistani F-16 fighters, saying they feared the plan diverted cash from more urgent counterterrorism efforts.
The Pakistani official said well-funded and well-armed militants had dug in with anti-aircraft guns that made it risky to use helicopters to support the army's fight against militant havens in the northwestern Baujur region.
Pakistani forces were ‘very much handicapped’ by the lack of equipment to enable the F-16s to fly and fight at night, giving the militants the ability to regroup after daytime encounters, said the official.
‘We are blind and they are moving at will,’ he said.
The debate takes place against the backdrop of long-standing US criticism that Pakistan has not done enough to fight militants hiding in remote corners of that country and staging attacks against US and NATO troops in Afghanistan.
The official called this criticism the ‘most damaging and demoralizing thing’ after the Pakistan military had suffered 1,200 killed and 3,000 disabled in fours years of fighting in border areas.
‘We are in this war as much as America,’ he said.
WASHINGTON: Pakistan uses F-16 fighters to support a campaign against border militants and needs upgrades to be able to fly at night, a Pakistani official said on Friday.
The official underlined equipment needs and listed recent achievements fighting al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents ahead of a US congressional hearing next week that will examine the utility of F-16s in US ally Pakistan's war on terrorism.
Pakistan has flown nearly 100 missions during three weeks in August that produced some 500-550 Taliban casualties.
‘These missions have been very focused, and since air power is always effective, the Taliban are very much upset about this and have retaliated,’ said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
‘This campaign will last for some time,’ he told a small group of reporters.
The House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia will hold a hearing on Tuesday and grill Bush administration officials on the F-16 program with Pakistan and its utility in counterterrorism operations against al Qaeda and Taliban extremists.
The title of the hearing -- ‘Defeating al Qaeda's Air Force: Pakistan's F-16 Program in the Fight Against Terrorism’ -- betrays lawmakers' skepticism and belief that Pakistan wants the advanced fighters to deploy against rival India, an analyst said.
In July, two senior Democratic Party lawmakers asked the Bush administration not to shift $226.5 million in US counterterrorism aid to Pakistan to upgrade Pakistani F-16 fighters, saying they feared the plan diverted cash from more urgent counterterrorism efforts.
The Pakistani official said well-funded and well-armed militants had dug in with anti-aircraft guns that made it risky to use helicopters to support the army's fight against militant havens in the northwestern Baujur region.
Pakistani forces were ‘very much handicapped’ by the lack of equipment to enable the F-16s to fly and fight at night, giving the militants the ability to regroup after daytime encounters, said the official.
‘We are blind and they are moving at will,’ he said.
The debate takes place against the backdrop of long-standing US criticism that Pakistan has not done enough to fight militants hiding in remote corners of that country and staging attacks against US and NATO troops in Afghanistan.
The official called this criticism the ‘most damaging and demoralizing thing’ after the Pakistan military had suffered 1,200 killed and 3,000 disabled in fours years of fighting in border areas.
‘We are in this war as much as America,’ he said.
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I think the debate over the utility of Pakistan utilizing F-16's in COIN should end now.
Pakistan has demonstrated amply the ability to use coordinated air strikes to eliminate insurgents and their infrastructure. For a country with Pakistan's resources, it is not feasible to operate several types of AC - and the 'dual use' of the F-16's offer the best bang for the buck.
Pakistan has demonstrated amply the ability to use coordinated air strikes to eliminate insurgents and their infrastructure. For a country with Pakistan's resources, it is not feasible to operate several types of AC - and the 'dual use' of the F-16's offer the best bang for the buck.
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