Exclusive - Saudi Arabia, U.S. in talks on billions in arms sales

[Alithemoor1]

they arming the most develop country in the middle east by far and they buy weapons from us what i dont see them buy weapons from ant country in the meadle east soon (heron tp deal 650 milion dollar prefer over peredetor) they also invest in our startups

An apartheid state that survives on the Holocaust guilt complex that some countries in the West have. An entity that has breached every international law there is. Apartheid South Africa also was advanced in the military industry and even had a nuclear program. What is your point, settler?

 

[dani958]

An apartheid state that survives on the Holocaust guilt complex that some countries in the West have. An entity that has breached every international law there is. Apartheid South Africa also was advanced in the military industry and even had a nuclear program. What is your point, settler?

we arent aparthied because west bank isnt part of israel
This is a neutral area that does not belong to any country
south africa wasnt advanced all the knowladge they got from us
you can see now that the ties with south africa isnt so good there defence industry isnt that good we advance in tech not only in defence
i belive one they palastine will have state but what state is it will be teror state that shoot on tell aviv every day ?
or state that trying to develop herself
i didnt se something close to this in the non oil arab world why palastine will be difrent?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevef...becoming-a-high-tech-superpower/#15edadd04236

 

[The SC]

This is what KSA got from the US in a $56 billion deal :

84 F-15SA Aircraft
170 APG-63(v)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar
(AESA) radar sets
193 F-110-GE-129 Improved Performance Engines
100 M61 Vulcan Cannons
100 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution
System/Low Volume Terminal (MIDS/LVT) and spares
193 LANTIRN Navigation Pods (3rd Generation-Tiger Eye)
338 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
462 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVGS)
300 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles
25 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM-9X)
25 Special Air Training Missiles (NATM-9X)
500 AIM-120C/7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air
Missiles (AMRAAM)
25 AIM-120 CATMs
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/Global Positioning System (GPS)
Guided Munitions (500 lb)
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/GPS Guided Munitions (2000 lb)
1,100 GBU-24 PAVEWAY III Laser Guided Bombs (2000 lb)
1,000 GBU-31B V3 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)
(2000 lb)
1,300 CBU-105D/B Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW)/Wind
Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
50 CBU-105 Inert
1,000 MK-82 500lb General Purpose Bombs
6,000 MK-82 500lb Inert Training Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb General Purpose Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb Inert Training Bombs
200,000 20mm Cartridges
400,000 20mm Target Practice Cartridges
400 AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missiles
600 AGM-88B HARM Missiles
169 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)
158 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems
169 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems
10 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods
462 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System Helmets
40 Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receivers
(ROVER)
80 Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Pods

Also included are the upgrade of the existing Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) fleet of seventy (70) F-
15S multi-role fighters to the F-15SA configuration, the provision for CONUS-based fighter training
operations for a twelve (12) F-15SA contingent, construction, refurbishments, and infrastructure
improvements of several support facilities for the F-15SA in-Kingdom and/or CONUS operations, RR-
188 Chaff, MJU-7/10 Flares, training munitions, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated
Devices, communication security, site surveys, trainers, simulators, publications and technical
documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor
engineering, technical, and logistical support services, and other related elements of logistical and
program support. The estimated cost is $29.432 billion.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/saudi-arabia-f-15sa-aircraft


And

36 AH-64D Block III APACHE Helicopters
72 UH-60M BLACKHAWK Helicopters
36 AH-6i Light Attack Helicopters
12 MD-530F Light Turbine Helicopters
243 T700-GE-701D Engines
40 Modernized Targeting Acquisition and Designation Systems/Pilot
Night Vision Sensors
20 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars with Radar Electronics Unit
20 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer
171 AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting Sets
171 AN/AVR-2B Laser Warning Sets
171 AAR-57(V)3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems
318 Improved Countermeasures Dispensers
40 Wescam MX-15Di (AN/AAQ-35) Sight/Targeting Sensors
40 GAU-19/A 12.7mm (.50 caliber) Gatling Guns
108 Improved Helmet Display Sight Systems
52 30mm Automatic Weapons
18 Aircraft Ground Power Units
168 M240H Machine Guns
300 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
421 M310 A1 Modernized Launchers
158 M299 HELLFIRE Longbow Missile Launchers
2,592 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles
1,229 AN/PRQ-7 Combat Survivor Evader Locators
4 BS-1 Enhanced Terminal Voice Switches
4 Digital Airport Surveillance Radars
4 Fixed-Base Precision Approach Radar
4 DoD Advanced Automation Service
4 Digital Voice Recording System

Also included are trainers, simulators, generators, munitions, design and construction, transportation, wheeled vehicles and organization equipment, tools and test equipment, communication equipment, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) systems, GPS/INS, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $25.6 billion.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...lackhawk-ah-6i-light-attack-and-md-530f-light


So with this done, what would a $110 billion deal comprise, if we take out $6 billion for the navy's modified LCS and a $24 billion for THAAD and more Patriot air defence systems,1000 Bradley combat vehicles, 250 M1A2 Abrams and 6 Poseidon Naval surveillance aircrafts, we are still left with a $80 billion in arms deals.. What can be purchased with it? any Ideas?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

How much of this equipment will be locally produced?

 

[The SC]

How much of this equipment will be locally produced?

Which equipments are you talking about, in the $56 billion deal or in the $110 billion deal?
For the $56 billion deal, KSA is making the wings of the F-15SA locally as well as the forward fuselage and some avionics electronics as well as some hydraulic and mechanical systems like the fly-by-wire systems..It is making the LANTIRN navigation pods and the Sniper targeting pod.. most of the bombs are also made in KSA now in JVs with South Africa and others with some laser guiding kits.. this is what is publicly known, some parts would be too sensitive to talk about in Public.. And most important all these ToTs were made before the new official policy of KSA, that there will be no military deals without ToT.. So I leave it to your imagination to see how much ToT will be involved in the new $110 billion deal.. although it is already known that the Black Hawk helicopters will be fully made/produced in KSA starting from 2019 with ToT of the production line and the main components of the helicopter..maybe not the engines yet, but KSA is working with Turkey on those technologies..

 

[dani958]

Which equipments are you talking about, in the $56 billion deal or in the $110 billion deal?
For the $56 billion deal, KSA is making the wings of the F-15SA locally as well as the forward fuselage and some avionics electronics as well as some hydraulic and mechanical systems like the fly-by-wire systems..It is making the LANTIRN navigation pods and the Sniper targeting pod.. most of the bombs are also made in KSA now in JVs with South Africa and others with some laser guiding kits.. this is what is publicly known, some parts would be too sensitive to talk about in Public.. And most important all these ToTs were made before the new official policy of KSA, that there will be no military deals without ToT.. So I leave it to your imagination to see how much ToT will be involved in the new $110 billion deal.. although it is already known that the Black Hawk helicopters will be fully made/produced in KSA starting from 2019 with ToT of the production line and the main components of the helicopter..maybe not the engines yet, but KSA is working with Turkey on those technologies..

still no defence industry maybe turkey can help them

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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The $110 billion arms deal to Saudi Arabia is fake news

Bruce Riedel

Monday, June 5, 2017

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.


“None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.”


An example is a proposal for sale of four frigates (called multi-mission surface combatant vessels) to the Royal Saudi navy. This proposal was first reported by the State Department in 2015. No contract has followed. The type of frigate is a derivative of a vessel that the U.S. Navy uses but the derivative doesn’t actually exist yet. Another piece is the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense system (THAAD) which was recently deployed in South Korea. The Saudis have expressed interest in the system for several years but no contracts have been finalized. Obama approved the sale in principle at a summit at Camp David in 2015. Also on the wish list are 150 Black Hawk helicopters. Again, this is old news repackaged. What the Saudis and the administration did is put together a notional package of the Saudi wish list of possible deals and portray that as a deal. Even then the numbers don’t add up. It’s fake news.

Moreover, it’s unlikely that the Saudis could pay for a $110 billion deal any longer, due to low oil prices and the two-plus years old war in Yemen. President Obama sold the kingdom $112 billion in weapons over eight years, most of which was a single, huge deal in 2012 negotiated by then-Secretary of Defense Bob Gates. To get that deal through Congressional approval, Gates also negotiated a deal with Israel to compensate the Israelis and preserve their qualitative edge over their Arab neighbors. With the fall in oil prices, the Saudis have struggled to meet their payments since.

You will know the Trump deal is real when Israel begins to ask for a package to keep the Israeli Defense Forces’ qualitative edge preserved. What is coming soon is a billion-dollars deal for more munitions for the war in Yemen. The Royal Saudi Air Force needs more munitions to continue the air bombardment of the Arab world’s poorest country.

Finally, just as the arms deal is not what it was advertised, so is the much-hyped united Muslim campaign against terrorism. Instead, the Gulf states have turned on one of their own. Saudi Arabia has orchestrated a campaign to isolate Qatar. This weekend Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt broke relations with Qatar. Saudi allies like the Maldives and Yemen jumped on the bandwagon. Saudi Arabia has closed its land border with Qatar.

This is not the first such spat but it may be the most dangerous. The Saudis and their allies are eager to punish Qatar for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, for hosting Al-Jazeera, and keeping ties with Iran. Rather than a united front to contain Iran, the Riyadh summit’s outcome is exacerbating sectarian and political tensions in the region.


Brookings.edu



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[The SC]

Revealed: Trump's $110 billion weapons list for the Saudis

WASHINGTON – The administration's much touted $110 billion arms proposal to Saudi Arabia, previously slim on specifics, includes seven THAAD missile defense batteries, over 100,000 air-to-ground munitions and billions of dollars’ worth of new aircraft, according to a White House document obtained by Defense News and authenticated by a second source.

President Donald Trump’s visit to Saudi Arabia on May 20 drew headlines for what was billed as a $110 billion arms agreement. However, experts quickly pointed out that much of the deal was speculative, as any arms sale has to go through the process of being cleared by the State Department, then Congress, before going through an often lengthy negotiating period with industry.

The document does, however, reveal the different buckets that make up the $110 billion figure, including “LOAs to be offered at visit,” or letters of agreement that the Kingdom has already requested and the Trump administration supports, totaling $12.5 billion as well as the ten-year sustainment estimates on those programs, totaling $1.18 billion.

Of course, these totals are best-guess estimations and likely represent the ceiling for what could be spent. The figures may well come down, and the timeframes listed may well change, based on final negotiations around the equipment.

The largest pot of money involves the “MOIs to be offered at visit” section, totaling $84.8 billion. That section represents potential sales, or memos of intent, that the Trump team offered to the Saudis while in Riyadh.

Among those listed as potential sales are:

• $13.5 billion for seven THAAD batteries, with an estimated delivery time of 2023-2026.
• $4.46 billion for 104,000 air-to-ground munitions, divided amongst five types (GBU 31v3, GBU-10, GBU-12, GBU-31v1, GBU-38).
• $6.65 billion for enhancements to Saudis’ Patriot anti-missile system, with a scope of work from 2018-2027.
• $2 billion for “light close air support” aircraft, with the aircraft and delivery date still unknown. It is possible that the winner of this contract could be related to the U.S. Air Force’s OA-X close-air support study.
• $2 billion for four new aircraft, of a to-be-determined variety, for “TASS & Strategic ISC.” TASS stands for “tactical airborne surveillance system,” similar in concept to the U.S. Air Force JSTARS system. It's possible the replacement could be the same as the JSTARS replacement currently being considered by the Pentagon. Those would be delivered in 2024.
• $5.8 billion for three KC-130J and 20 C-130J new aircraft, along with sustainment through 2026. Those planes would start delivery in 2022.
• $6.25 billion for an eight-year sustainment deal for Saudi Arabia's fleet of F-15 fighters, with another $20 million for an F-15 C/D recapitalization program study.
• $2 billion for an unknown number of MK-VI Patrol Boats, with an unknown delivery date.
• $6 billion for four Lockheed Martin-built frigates, based on the company’s littoral combat ship design. That order falls under the Saudi Naval Expansion Program II (SNEP II) heading, with planned delivery in the 2025-2028 timeframe.
• $2.35 billion to modify 400 existing Bradley fighting vehicles, along with another $1.35 for 213 new vehicles.
• $1.5 billion for 180 Howitzers, with an estimated delivery time of 2019-2022.
• $18 billion for C4I System and integration, with no further details given on what that means, nor with a delivery date offered.

The document also shows a focus on space capabilities for the Kingdom, with two “Remote Sensing Satellites” estimated at $800 million and two satellite communications & Space Based Early Warning Systems estimated at $4 billion. It also includes a notably high $40 million mark for a “SATCOM Definitization” meeting with the Office of the Secretary of Defense-Space policy team.

The list also includes two types of Lockheed Martin Black Hawk variants: 14 MH-60R Seahawk rotorcraft ($2 billion) and 30 UH-60 rescue helicopters ($1.8 billion). It is possible the rescue helicopters could be the same design as the Air Force’s new combat rescue helicopter, the HH-60W.

A Lockheed Martin press release, issued after Trump’s meeting in Riyadh, said the world’s largest defense firm was forming a joint venture with Saudi company Taqnia to “support final assembly and completion of an estimated 150 S-70 Black Hawk utility helicopters for the Saudi government.”

Sustainment estimates for the MOI list comes in around $930 million.

Meanwhile, a planned vote in the Senate that would challenge parts of the Saudi package was postponed until next week, per Connecticut Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy.

Just this week, two more orders were announced as having cleared the State Department, deals for 26 AN/TPQ-53(V) Radar Systems ($662 million) and a blanket order training program for the Royal Saudi Air Force ($750 million). Both of those count against the $110 billion figure, a source with knowledge of the agreements said.

A White House spokesman deferred comment to the Pentagon. Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Roger Cabiness said in a statement that the "arms sale announced between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia is a broad agreement in principal," adding that "steps include letters of intent, letters of offer, letters of approval, awarding of contract, and delivery. As the terms of these sales are finalized, we will notify Congress and make public the specifics of each transaction."

http://www.defensenews.com/articles...-delivery-in-spring-2018-likely-not-this-year

 

[Alithemoor1]

Holy cow!

• $4.46 billion for 104,000 air-to-ground munitions, divided amongst five types (GBU 31v3, GBU-10, GBU-12, GBU-31v1, GBU-38).

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

You tone sounds like @Valar Dohaeris , seems you got a good friend here.

You didn't have to use such language dude. Can make your point without resorting to such language

Excuse me ?

 

[theman111]

This is what KSA got from the US in a $56 billion deal :

84 F-15SA Aircraft
170 APG-63(v)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar
(AESA) radar sets
193 F-110-GE-129 Improved Performance Engines
100 M61 Vulcan Cannons
100 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution
System/Low Volume Terminal (MIDS/LVT) and spares
193 LANTIRN Navigation Pods (3rd Generation-Tiger Eye)
338 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
462 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVGS)
300 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles
25 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM-9X)
25 Special Air Training Missiles (NATM-9X)
500 AIM-120C/7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air
Missiles (AMRAAM)
25 AIM-120 CATMs
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/Global Positioning System (GPS)
Guided Munitions (500 lb)
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/GPS Guided Munitions (2000 lb)
1,100 GBU-24 PAVEWAY III Laser Guided Bombs (2000 lb)
1,000 GBU-31B V3 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)
(2000 lb)
1,300 CBU-105D/B Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW)/Wind
Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
50 CBU-105 Inert
1,000 MK-82 500lb General Purpose Bombs
6,000 MK-82 500lb Inert Training Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb General Purpose Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb Inert Training Bombs
200,000 20mm Cartridges
400,000 20mm Target Practice Cartridges
400 AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missiles
600 AGM-88B HARM Missiles
169 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)
158 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems
169 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems
10 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods
462 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System Helmets
40 Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receivers
(ROVER)
80 Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Pods

Also included are the upgrade of the existing Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) fleet of seventy (70) F-
15S multi-role fighters to the F-15SA configuration, the provision for CONUS-based fighter training
operations for a twelve (12) F-15SA contingent, construction, refurbishments, and infrastructure
improvements of several support facilities for the F-15SA in-Kingdom and/or CONUS operations, RR-
188 Chaff, MJU-7/10 Flares, training munitions, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated
Devices, communication security, site surveys, trainers, simulators, publications and technical
documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor
engineering, technical, and logistical support services, and other related elements of logistical and
program support. The estimated cost is $29.432 billion.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/saudi-arabia-f-15sa-aircraft


And

36 AH-64D Block III APACHE Helicopters
72 UH-60M BLACKHAWK Helicopters
36 AH-6i Light Attack Helicopters
12 MD-530F Light Turbine Helicopters
243 T700-GE-701D Engines
40 Modernized Targeting Acquisition and Designation Systems/Pilot
Night Vision Sensors
20 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars with Radar Electronics Unit
20 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer
171 AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting Sets
171 AN/AVR-2B Laser Warning Sets
171 AAR-57(V)3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems
318 Improved Countermeasures Dispensers
40 Wescam MX-15Di (AN/AAQ-35) Sight/Targeting Sensors
40 GAU-19/A 12.7mm (.50 caliber) Gatling Guns
108 Improved Helmet Display Sight Systems
52 30mm Automatic Weapons
18 Aircraft Ground Power Units
168 M240H Machine Guns
300 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
421 M310 A1 Modernized Launchers
158 M299 HELLFIRE Longbow Missile Launchers
2,592 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles
1,229 AN/PRQ-7 Combat Survivor Evader Locators
4 BS-1 Enhanced Terminal Voice Switches
4 Digital Airport Surveillance Radars
4 Fixed-Base Precision Approach Radar
4 DoD Advanced Automation Service
4 Digital Voice Recording System

Also included are trainers, simulators, generators, munitions, design and construction, transportation, wheeled vehicles and organization equipment, tools and test equipment, communication equipment, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) systems, GPS/INS, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $25.6 billion.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...lackhawk-ah-6i-light-attack-and-md-530f-light


So with this done, what would a $110 billion deal comprise, if we take out $6 billion for the navy's modified LCS and a $24 billion for THAAD and more Patriot air defence systems,1000 Bradley combat vehicles, 250 M1A2 Abrams and 6 Poseidon Naval surveillance aircrafts, we are still left with a $80 billion in arms deals.. What can be purchased with it? any Ideas?

max they can do it produce in
license i dont belive they can absorb the knowladge and move on you need
infrastructure for this what they dont have

 

[khanasifm]

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/revealed-trumps-110-billion-weapons-list-for-the-saudis

 

[Brutas]

No, you are just a moron. Someone who hasn't accomplished much in his life and hides behind accomplishments of his "race" or "civilisation" to hide the fact that he is a loser in his personal life.

Idiot, go educate. Civilized world doesn't need anything dark bedouins have to offer. Lets at the mess in your region. Desert savages at each others throat, begging for mercy/protection from the civilized world. Last time I check there is bedouin base in EU, but refugees who are treated even worse than dogs. Thousands of troops from the civilized world is based in your soil. Educate, loser.

 

[Alithemoor1]

Mr Brutus, what you have just said...

PS: You have misspelled your username. It is Brutus and not "Brutas".