Exclusive Pictures of Indian Soldiers Killed in Fight with Chinese Soldiers at Ladakh

[Khanate]

Calling your thinking deranged is emotional? How do you react to people who call you stupid?

More emotional outbursts.

Clinical, not emotional. Looks like you don't know too many words.

"Deranged thinking". There goes your lecture on English vocabulary.

 

[Joe Shearer]

More emotional outbursts.





"Deranged thinking". There goes your lecture on English vocabulary.

Yes I need to look out for competition. The kind that uses emojis.

 

[Cliftonite]

Deranged thinking? Boy, you lot are getting emotional.





Just don't cry about it. That's all.

If you want to talk smack about @Joe Shearer sahab, you'll have to go through me
He's a thorough gentleman and older to most of us here on PDF. Thori respect dikhao please.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If you want to talk smack about @Joe Shearer sahab, you'll have to go through me
He's a thorough gentleman and older to most of us here on PDF. Thori respect dikhao please.

Don't worry about kids like these. They want their five minutes of fame.

 

[serenity]

No comment.



What infiltration? If you do not know conditions in these locations, there has been no fixed line that is determined by both sides. Both have been going into the part that the other normally dominates, and with no extraordinary consequences; no gunfire for 53 years, and you might like to contrast that with the situation on the LOC.

In these conditions, would YOU have anticipated an ambush? Or an attack?

His intention was to remind the PLA soldiers that the agreement reached just the same day earlier in the day was to remove the tents that could be seen still standing. This does not amount to either 'infiltration' or to provocation.



This again is a fundamental misunderstanding of the LAC. THERE IS NO FIXED LINE CALLED THE LAC. Each side has its own interpretation of the line, and each goes where it thinks the line is. So what is the Indian side, according to you? and what is the Chinese side? People have been wandering back and forth without violence, except to aesthetics, in the form of the banners that are traditionally displayed when patrols meet each other.

Here there was a location, the two sides were in a confrontation, and there were agreements at a senior level to withdraw 2 kms to within their own side of the LAC. It was this agreement that was sought to be reminded and that met with the reaction that it got.

You are half right. What intrusion? the LAC is very unclear and we both claim parts of it! Now PLA just took the Chinese claimed parts which India ALSO claim in the past until two days ago when Modi gave up and formally acknowledged the parts China took is not part of India. This indirectly also means India no longer claims those parts. So yes we have not intruded into India since India released those claims since Modi said "no foreign intrusion" two days ago. Before this announcement, India formally claimed the parts which PLA has now taken and India has now formally said is not Indian land.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You are half right. What intrusion? the LAC is very unclear and we both claim parts of it! Now PLA just took the Chinese claimed parts which India ALSO claim in the past until two days ago when Modi gave up and formally acknowledged the parts China took is not part of India. This indirectly also means India no longer claims those parts. So yes we have not intruded into India since India released those claims since Modi said "no foreign intrusion" two days ago. Before this announcement, India formally claimed the parts which PLA has now taken and India has now formally said is not Indian land.

This is fairly written from your own point of view, but Modi's mangled speech has promptly been clarified by the government authorities. His speech is clearly not to be taken verbatim.

Modi is like Trump; their spoken word is totally worthless until their administration has finished issuing the numerous corrections that their distortions make necessary.

You are half right. What intrusion? the LAC is very unclear and we both claim parts of it! Now PLA just took the Chinese claimed parts which India ALSO claim in the past until two days ago when Modi gave up and formally acknowledged the parts China took is not part of India. This indirectly also means India no longer claims those parts. So yes we have not intruded into India since India released those claims since Modi said "no foreign intrusion" two days ago. Before this announcement, India formally claimed the parts which PLA has now taken and India has now formally said is not Indian land.

I do appreciate the way you have worded your response. It is a welcome change from the shrill and strident versions some have issued.

 

[serenity]

This is fairly written from your own point of view, but Modi's mangled speech has promptly been clarified by the government authorities. His speech is clearly not to be taken verbatim.

Modi is like Trump; their spoken word is totally worthless until their administration has finished issuing the numerous corrections that their distortions make necessary.



I do appreciate the way you have worded your response. It is a welcome change from the shrill and strident versions some have issued.

Okay let's say Modi's speech is mangled and now clarified. Can you explain how it is now and what's been clarified?

The black and white details are still relevant and accurate. Finger 8 to at least 4 some already saying finger 2, are now captured by PLA. If Modi is referring to Galwan issue not PT, then PLA is also taken Galwan land which PLA claims, a land also claimed by India. Is this not true? If not, please explain how. If China's claims in Galwan were never claimed also by India then why was there dispute since mid 20th century in Galwan?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Okay let's say Modi's speech is mangled and now clarified. Can you explain how it is now and what's been clarified?

I will try. I do not want to start fresh controversies.

The black and white details are still relevant and accurate. Finger 8 to at least 4 some already saying finger 2, are now captured by PLA.

Not captured, but the freedom to patrol up to Finger 8 that existed until this latest development has been blocked. It remains to be seen if it can be reversed by the Indian Army.

If Modi is referring to Galwan issue not PT, then PLA is also taken Galwan land which PLA claims, a land also claimed by India. Is this not true?

No.

There have been PLA concentrations and temporary structures on the heights, and these were to have been vacated according to the commander level discussions (last Monday?). The violence occurred when a Colonel of the Indian Army very rashly walked across to the remaining tent on the ridge that was to have been vacated, and was attacked. I understand that there were three separate clashes, between around 9 in the evening until past midnight.

As I understand it, the PLA had never in the past claimed permanent occupancy on the Galwan Valley but had claimed it as part of the general claims on the Aksai Chin region. Both sides patrolled the Valley, no one had gone up into the heights before, and this was the first occasion when the heights were occupied.

Again, I believe that the final status of this land with regard to patrolling freedom only, not permanent assignment, is yet to be decided. As of the meeting BEFORE the last between commanding officers at the general officer level, all this was to have been vacated and the failure to vacate that led to the clashes. If it was to have been vacated, it was not considered part of the PLA claim that was not to be accessed by the Indian Army. Not yet.

I hope that is helpful.

This is my reconstruction from the messages flying around in all directions and I readily accept that it may finally turn out differently.

If not, please explain how. If China's claims in Galwan were never claimed also by India then why was there dispute since mid 20th century in Galwan?

There has been no overt action on the Galwan Valley, but it does form part of the locations in dispute. There are very many locations like this.

 

[serenity]

Okay sounds like we need to wait for India to correct their position and respond to PLA. So far it appears India is capitulating under Modi. The final status seems like Modi is saying wherever PLA is between April to when he made the announcement, is all NOT Indian lands. Therefore there has never been Chinese intrusion into India.

Even with all you have written, there is nothing clear except the information being released by Indian side is not with total agreement and approval of all Indian politicians and more changes may be made we should all wait for those announcements.

 

[Meliodas]

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20 Indian Soldiers Clubbed to Death

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Any update as to what happened to the ranks between nb subedar and colonel

 

[Figaro]

Okay sounds like we need to wait for India to correct their position and respond to PLA. So far it appears India is capitulating under Modi. The final status seems like Modi is saying wherever PLA is between April to when he made the announcement, is all NOT Indian lands. Therefore there has never been Chinese intrusion into India.

Even with all you have written, there is nothing clear except the information being released by Indian side is not with total agreement and approval of all Indian politicians and more changes may be made we should all wait for those announcements.

If Modi isn't willing to do anything meaningful that would show you the extent of India's options. How does it respond to the PLA? There's really no way to force out the PLA at Galwan without triggering a war. They could try to escalate tensions by going on the other-side of the LAC at multiple fronts but I'm sure the Chinese are already prepared for this. Even more, that would just give the Chinese more of a reasoning to escalate the border dispute.