Excluding Indian parts from Islamic architecture heritage

[W.11]

Presently it is argued that Islamic architecture borrowed primarily from two sources, persian/west asian and roman/european but surprisingly Indian borrowings have been presented as west asian, so its not surprising that using this popular theory that any islamic architecture in India is presented as west asian or western and completely alien to South Asia.

Probably the most prominent element in Islamic architecture and even late medieval european gothic or romanesque architecture are their pointed arches. Not surprisingly despite a lot of evidences from Indian subcontinent, the gothic arch has been presented as ''west asian'' or ''persian''

The sassanian architecture survives even today with many examples, but not one sassanid/persian pre islamic architecture can provide even tiniest little example of pointed arches from that period. Many western scholars blatantly declare that rajput era palaces employing big pointed arches as an indo islamic influence form the mughals, these arches have become synonymous with islamic arts architecture and scholars usually refuse to acknowledge its Indian origins.

This is what i got from an some websites

Origins. The pointed arch was not popular in Greece or Rome, so where did this design come from? Some historians think the pointed arch originated in India, but it really made its debut in the Middle East and West Asia.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-a-pointed-arch-definition-architecture.html#targetText=Origins,Middle East and West Asia.

The pointed arch originated in the Byzantine and Sassanian empires, where it mostly appears in early Christian church buildings, although engineering works such as the Byzantine Karamagara Bridge also showed it fully developed at an early stage

There are no extent examples of pointed arches from the byzantine or sassanian periods, the apse or eliptical arch have been declared as pointed arches, while indian evidences have been conveniently ignored showing eurocentrism and the scholarly trend of looking everything in the west. The earlier Islamic architecture also show complete and utter absence of pointed arches during umayyad period, the pointed arches only become predominent and make their first appearance in western asia or middle east in early to middle 8th century AD.

some indian examples of pointed arches which well predate the western counterparts

Bhitargaon temple pointed arches

Kausambi palace arches dated to 1st-2nd century AD

pointed arches depicted in Gandharan arts

 

[SirHatesALot]

Nothing of Islamic architecture comes from India its all alien as Islam itself is an alien religion for India

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There was no India, so what can we say about any arches?
Most of Pakistan was part of Persia

What we confuse as "in-Dia" was just a bunch of tribes and clans, holding small regions
A majority of Time they fought with each other so they had nothing to contribute to Islamic Architecture

When Muslims came to India they actually taught the local uneducated tribesmen the ways of society , culture and good manners

 

[Rusty]

Nothing of Islamic architecture comes from India its all alien as Islam itself is an alien religion for India

Hinduism is just as alien.
It was made by invading Aryans to better control the native Dravidian

True Indian religion is only followed by the bushmen and indigenous tribes.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

I find it fascinating that the number of people claiming a part of honour of these achievements of those long dead but seldom do we find people vying with each other trying to claim a share in the disgrace of their ancestors/predecessors.

 

[jamahir]

Well, we must look to solving problems of the present and think of creating a harmonious Subcontinent for the near-future instead of being fixated upon the past.

 

[W.11]

history affects our present and understanding of our culture, heritage etc, our present has been bound to historic past, there is no escape from this reality.

It has become important especially when i went to read some stuff and continued to get that these things have ''foreign roots'', a little in depth research presented an entirely different picture. hence the interest in history.

regards

 

[Krptonite]

Well, we must look to solving problems of the present and think of creating a harmonious Subcontinent for the near-future instead of being fixated upon the past.

The past is quite endearing to those who find the present and the future unpalatable. You can mold the past to suit your needs, in that way past glories become relevant again.

 

[W.11]

if you are talking about present and future, it means, you are linking the two eras together, so i see some conflict and contradiction is member's philosophy. when future becomes present, the present will become our past, the pst, future and present are all interrelated, to suggest that one can simple ''mould'' the past to suit one's desire is just using absurd logics.

regards

 

[War Thunder]

Nothing of Islamic architecture comes from India its all alien as Islam itself is an alien religion for India

Yeah except the same aliens have been ruling over most of india for over 800 years and india has fought plenty of wars ever since with the land separated and occupied by the aliens.
Good going bollywood, good going...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well, we must look to solving problems of the present and think of creating a harmonious Subcontinent for the near-future instead of being fixated upon the past.

That is why we want to promote Referendum

a) Kashmir for joining Pakistan
b) Khalistan for being independent

 

[jamahir]

That is why we want to promote Referendum

a) Kashmir for joining Pakistan
b) Khalistan for being independent

You have to present a solution that is acceptable to the Establishment and People of both India and Pakistan.

My simple solution, which is also derived from Gaddafi's solution, is this :

1. Make the LOC as the International Border.

2. Replace the governing system in both countries to be Direct Democracy Socialism. This would be similar to how Iraq and Syria existed before 2003. Two independent countries with the same political ideology.

3. Open the International Border for tourism and trade.
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This would ensure that any separatist sentiment on either side would be replaced with a new desire for progress in the present and the future.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

This is my solution , India gets out

 

[jamahir]

This is my solution , India gets out

And how are you going to convince the Indian Establishment and People ?? War ??

Please present a practical solution.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

My solution is very simple .....

• Arm local Kashmiri 12 million population
• Expand Influence to Khalistan

Two freed region