Excalibur muscle for Bengal police

[Mujraparty]

Kolkata: Police forces from several states, including West Bengal, have turned toRifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) to modernise their armoury.

While West Bengal has placed orders for 292 Excalibur rifles, 500 pistols (9mm) and 66 pump-action guns, RFI will supply 2,000 Ghaatak rifles to police in eight states, including Maharashtra, Assam, Bihar, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Nagaland. Maharashtra has ordered the bulk of these weapons that match the AK series of assault rifles.

"Based on our experiences and user feedback, we made changes to the originally designed Excalibur rifle. The 5.56mm calibre weapon can now be used in single-shot or automatic mode. We have done away with the burst-fire mode as this was causing jamming of rounds in some of the rifles. The West Bengal order for this weapon is worth Rs 1.78 crore. In 2016-17, we have an all-time high order for 9 mm pistols. We will be making and delivering nearly 30,000 of these to security forces across the country," said Ratneshwar Varma, general manager, RFI.

RFI, which won the Golden Peacock Occupational Health & Safety Award for 2016, is also working on a corner-shot rifle for the armed forces. Such rifles can shoot around corners without exposing the soldier to the enemy. According to Varma, the hardware for this weapon is ready and work is under way to integrate the electronic parts. The factory has also delivered components of a multi-calibre rifle to Armament Research & Development Establishment. This DRDO lab will assemble the components, test the weapon and get back to RFI.

"Ghaatak was originally of 5.56mm calibre. We scaled it up to 7.62 mm x 39 mm calibre. The large calibre makes it an ideal weapon for close-quarter combat and counter-terrorist operations. On August 10, BSF and CRPF teams will arrive at the factory to try out the Ghaatak," said C Kamal Kumar, joint general manager, RFI.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...le-for-Bengal-police/articleshow/53565435.cms

 

[Skull and Bones]

I hope the .303 Enfield is sold to civilians, the extra funds can be used to modernize police forces. I can pay >$2000 for an Enfield.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Interesting news, and a terrible idea.

The Army hated the rifles made by Ichhapore, both because it jammed during burst-mode firing, and because it overheated and became almost unholdable after extended firing. There are so many cases of soldiers dumping their Ichhapore rifles and grabbing a dead terrorist's AK-47 or equivalent in sheer frustration.

Second, this is deplorable, because it is a continuation of the militarisation of the police. They are not supposed to go -around with weaponry such as this. The comment about the shift back to 7.62 mm making the rifle better in close-quarters combat was horrifying to read. Until recently, as late as 1962, the Army used single shot .303 rifles, the police used smooth bore muskets firing ball or pellets to avoid collateral damage due to ricochets. And now we have some jerk who has seen too many movies with SWAT teams in them upgrading to these rifles. What is the point? What is the objective?

I hope the .303 Enfield is sold to civilians, the extra funds can be used to modernize police forces. I can pay >$2000 for an Enfield.

The police never got these; the Army got them.

 

[punit]

Interesting news, and a terrible idea.

The Army hated the rifles made by Ichhapore, both because it jammed during burst-mode firing, and because it overheated and became almost unholdable after extended firing. There are so many cases of soldiers dumping their Ichhapore rifles and grabbing a dead terrorist's AK-47 or equivalent in sheer frustration.

Second, this is deplorable, because it is a continuation of the militarisation of the police. They are not supposed to go -around with weaponry such as this. The comment about the shift back to 7.62 mm making the rifle better in close-quarters combat was horrifying to read. Until recently, as late as 1962, the Army used single shot .303 rifles, the police used smooth bore muskets firing ball or pellets to avoid collateral damage due to ricochets. And now we have some jerk who has seen too many movies with SWAT teams in them upgrading to these rifles. What is the point? What is the objective?



The police never got these; the Army got them.

may be because even common criminals are carrying Automatic weapons now a days ! for general operation Police should be given Shot guns !

 

[Indika]

Second, this is deplorable, because it is a continuation of the militarisation of the police. They are not supposed to go -around with weaponry such as this. The comment about the shift back to 7.62 mm making the rifle better in close-quarters combat was horrifying to read. Until recently, as late as 1962, the Army used single shot .303 rifles, the police used smooth bore muskets firing ball or pellets to avoid collateral damage due to ricochets. And now we have some jerk who has seen too many movies with SWAT teams in them upgrading to these rifles. What is the point? What is the objective?

True, US of A has that problem. Police pulling out their gun even for a dog piss. Firing must be the last option,police are trained to handle things that a normal civilian cannot. As such firing would only talk about volumes about their capability. SI with a gun will be be good enough. Only disturbed areas should need special consideration.

 

[Zarvan]

Interesting news, and a terrible idea.

The Army hated the rifles made by Ichhapore, both because it jammed during burst-mode firing, and because it overheated and became almost unholdable after extended firing. There are so many cases of soldiers dumping their Ichhapore rifles and grabbing a dead terrorist's AK-47 or equivalent in sheer frustration.

Second, this is deplorable, because it is a continuation of the militarisation of the police. They are not supposed to go -around with weaponry such as this. The comment about the shift back to 7.62 mm making the rifle better in close-quarters combat was horrifying to read. Until recently, as late as 1962, the Army used single shot .303 rifles, the police used smooth bore muskets firing ball or pellets to avoid collateral damage due to ricochets. And now we have some jerk who has seen too many movies with SWAT teams in them upgrading to these rifles. What is the point? What is the objective?



The police never got these; the Army got them.

After attacks in Paris and Munich and other parts of the world if you are still asking this question than sorry but no one can answer you. Equipping Police with Assault Rifles is good idea but India should hope Excaliber is good enough to do the job.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

This thread is really ironic.

 

[T90TankGuy]

I hope the .303 Enfield is sold to civilians, the extra funds can be used to modernize police forces. I can pay >$2000 for an Enfield.

I almost dislocated my shoulder when i fired the 303 , was in the NCC then . hated those rifles.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Interesting news, and a terrible idea.

The Army hated the rifles made by Ichhapore, both because it jammed during burst-mode firing, and because it overheated and became almost unholdable after extended firing. There are so many cases of soldiers dumping their Ichhapore rifles and grabbing a dead terrorist's AK-47 or equivalent in sheer frustration.

Second, this is deplorable, because it is a continuation of the militarisation of the police. They are not supposed to go -around with weaponry such as this. The comment about the shift back to 7.62 mm making the rifle better in close-quarters combat was horrifying to read. Until recently, as late as 1962, the Army used single shot .303 rifles, the police used smooth bore muskets firing ball or pellets to avoid collateral damage due to ricochets. And now we have some jerk who has seen too many movies with SWAT teams in them upgrading to these rifles. What is the point? What is the objective?

Just recently some goons gunned down an engineer for not paying Rangdari in Bihar- The weapon used was a locally made AKM- yes these things are made locally I have seen them being made- Police can do nothing, It is made in an ordinary blacksmith's shop you'll see in villages- These people are old craftsmen and the art gets passed on from father to son-

These Guns come costly INR 1.5-3 lakh- some time ago It was 1 lakh- and that is If I an ordinary person would want to buy It- Pistols come at INR 20-25K- some boy near my house even got caught selling these pistols in Delhi for INR 50K- so that is the range of price-

Police have no chance even with their INSAS- When this weapon is fired- you can only hope for cover and pray that the criminal runs out of bullets- I think you fairly know about its capability- Bihar state had raised a special Police consisting of retired Army Jawans who were 1st given INSAS- That worked initially but later weapon became common for rest of the police too- I have not yet found the use of locally made AKM in Bengal but this weapon has been sold as far as Punjab and I don't see why criminals in Bengal would not want to buy If need arises- so far crude bombs have been popular there lately- It used to popular in Bihar some time back but the new toy is automatic weapon which everyone wants-

 

[livingdead]

After attacks in Paris and Munich and other parts of the world if you are still asking this question than sorry but no one can answer you. Equipping Police with Assault Rifles is good idea but India should hope Excaliber is good enough to do the job.

most places in India do not face random terror attack.. there is a separate armed police force in each state which should be called when need arises, and they can patrol high risk areas, based on intel.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Better have the guns and not use them
THAN
Need these guns in emergencies and not have them.

Remember, these guns are not available to public.