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Everyone warns of China’s rise. But its decline could be even worse.
“It’s frightening to think about,” a prominent scholar said.
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Chinese President Xi Jinping during a meeting in Madrid, Spain, on November 28, 2018.
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TOKYO — Most Western predictions about the future of China’s rise are ominous, ranging from theories about how the country will perfect an authoritarian society to how it will serve as a model for a less free future.


But while reporting in Japan on Wednesday, I heard the most troubling prediction about China yet — and it was actually about the country’s decline.

“If the central government runs out of money, then they’re in trouble,” Akio Takahara, one of Japan’s leading scholars on China, told US-based reporters. “If you talk to the Chinese people, they’ll tell you that this [system of government] cannot last forever. So someday there will be a big change, but they don’t know when, they don’t know how, or what the process will be,” Takahara said.

And, he added, it won’t necessarily be peaceful.

There are two worrying things packed into that analysis, so let’s take each in turn.

First, on the surface it seems impossible that China — the world’s second-strongest economy — would run out of cash any time soon. But there are signs that China is undergoing a significant slowdown, partially because of President Donald Trump’s trade war.


Some economists have long held that China vastly inflates its economic growth rate, which officially stands at 6.5 percent right now. But the predictions are getting more dire, with one Chinese economist predicting that China’s real growth rate is zero. If true, that could cause significant problems for Chinese President Xi Jinping and put strain on the Communist Party’s hold on power.

Second, the US and other countries for decades hoped that engaging China would prompt it to open up its economy and eventually become a more democratic society. The hope, though, was that shrewd management of China’s transition to democracy would make it relatively painless — and even bloodless.

But the trade war and the Trump administration’s antagonism toward Beijing has changed all that. It’s pretty clear the White House wants to cripple China’s economy to the point that its government, led by the Communist Party, collapses. If that’s the case, it could turn into one of the world’s worst humanitarian catastrophes.


China is home to more than a billion people, many of whom would prefer to see the party maintain control. Others might try to leverage the government’s weakness and violently revolt against it. A civil war on a scale never seen before in human history is therefore sadly a possibility — albeit a very small one.

Nonetheless, “it’s frightening to think about,” Takahara said.

Managing China’s decline would be precarious
The main takeaway from Takahara’s comment, at least for me, is that dealing with China’s potential decline could prove just as challenging as its rise. Because China is so important to the global economy, few want it to ultimately collapse, but Washington doesn’t want Beijing to surpass its power, either.

The US has yet to figure out how best to find a middle path, so to speak. The engagement strategy employed from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama didn’t fully work because it helped make China much stronger with little societal opening, and Trump’s trade deal may make things way worse by taking the global economy down with Beijing.


That means the US has yet to figure out how best to deal with China. That’s a problem, as China’s own instability could force the US to make up its mind sooner rather than later.
 
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LOL.. Prominent scholars are nothing but some self declared. In fact, they are just jealous of ever powerful China.
Remember the Bloomberg report about China hacking Apple which is nothing but a pack of lies.

India will go down first even before China.
 
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Some economists have long held that China vastly inflates its economic growth rate, which officially stands at 6.5 percent right now. But the predictions are getting more dire, with one Chinese economist predicting that China’s real growth rate is zero.


This is horrible and never herd of.

LOL.. Prominent scholars are nothing but some self declared. In fact, they are just jealous of ever powerful China.
Remember the Bloomberg report about China hacking Apple which is nothing but a pack of lies.

India will go down first even before China.

I wish you best of luck for your wishful thinking

Our growth is not based on artificial viagra pills. There were sanctions on India but US compared to withdraw it. We have nullify the possibility of going down. We are not fragile economy overstated like China.
 
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This is horrible and never herd of.
Never heard of? I can literally find quotes by Gordon Chang and his gang that says China's growth is zero every year.

If you don't follow China regularly like we do it's only understandable you think this is shocking. People say this every year and it's always the same thing.

There will be good years and there will be bad years, but the rhetoric is always zero growth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...as-economy-grew-about-1-in-2015/#27ab6b2d2c6d
 
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This is horrible and never herd of.



I wish you best of luck for your wishful thinking

Our growth is not based on artificial viagra pills. There were sanctions on India but US compared to withdraw it. We have nullify the possibility of going down. We are not fragile economy overstated like China.
You even need Uncle Sam blessing to be somebody? What if Uncle Sam is not happy with India in few years time the road?

China dont even need Uncle Sam blessing becos we are shoulder to shoulder with them. As if the trade war hurts China only? US propaganda is only good to fool the ignorant by projecting US is winning.

Real fact will reveal itself soon. :enjoy:
 
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You even need Uncle Sam blessing to be somebody? What if Uncle Sam is not happy with India in few years time the road?

China dont even need Uncle Sam blessing becos we are shoulder to shoulder with them. As if the trade war hurts China only? US propaganda is only good to fool the ignorant by projecting US is winning.

Real fact will reveal itself soon. :enjoy:

Uncle SAM was not happy with us from 1947 to almost 2003. They couldn't do anything till they realised India is an inherently strong country to bestabilize. They changed their mind in 2002.
 
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This is horrible and never herd of.



I wish you best of luck for your wishful thinking

Our growth is not based on artificial viagra pills. There were sanctions on India but US compared to withdraw it. We have nullify the possibility of going down. We are not fragile economy overstated like China.

Indian! Care about a three year old tiny girl raped by your alike in your country.
 
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Never heard of? I can literally find quotes by Gordon Chang and his gang that says China's growth is zero every year.

If you don't follow China regularly like we do it's only understandable you think this is shocking. People say this every year and it's always the same thing.

There will be good years and there will be bad years, but the rhetoric is always zero growth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...as-economy-grew-about-1-in-2015/#27ab6b2d2c6d

Appreciated.
 
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Uncle SAM was not happy with us from 1947 to almost 2003. They couldn't do anything till they realised India is an inherently strong country to bestabilize. They changed their mind in 2002.

We are 5 times richer than you, poor fatty boy! Eat by hand, sh*t by hand, and f*cking around, stay where you are!
 
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We are 5 times richer than you, poor fatty boy! Eat by hand, sh*t by hand, and f*cking around, stay where you are!

You seem to be a true Chinese. Chinese quality is visible in your writting.
 
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Uncle SAM was not happy with us from 1947 to almost 2003. They couldn't do anything till they realised India is an inherently strong country to bestabilize. They changed their mind in 2002.
As if they are really unhappy.. US save your backside when China defeated India in 1962 and on the request of US and a sight of good gesture. We withdraw from South Tibet after that.
 
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Nobody knows the impact of China's decline, just as nobody knew the impact of China's rise.
 
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