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[KRAIT]

No worries. But i want you to point to the alternate opinions. Even the Supreme Court has suggested legalizing it to avoid trafficking of women.

Legalise prostitution if you can't curb it: SC to Centre - Indian Express

Do it but before that ensure there are no child abduction and forced sex slavery.

Legalization will increase the demand as men who didn't use to go because of fear of law, they will start going. Due to illegal status, one can't easily find prostitutes unless he gets it from Word of Mouth communication or if an area which is known for prostitution. Legalizing it will make commercial sex parlours with ads and stickers stuck to people's car.

Just imagine how it will affect the minds of lower class men who can't afford them.

See, you have to look at all aspects, possible increase in related crimes, effect on society and psychology of men, economic aspect etc.

Lets see what we find as possible measures to be taken along with legalization of prostitution. I personally feel, just legalizing it will create more problem.

@Vassnti Kindly give your inputs too.

 

[Sashan]

Do it but before that ensure there are no child abduction and forced sex slavery.

Legalization will increase the demand as men who didn't use to go because of fear of law, they will start going. Due to illegal status, one can't easily find prostitutes unless he gets it from Word of Mouth communication or if an area which is known for prostitution. Legalizing it will make commercial sex parlours with ads and stickers stuck to people's car.

Just imagine how it will affect the minds of lower class men who can't afford them.

See, you have to look at all aspects, possible increase in related crimes, effect on society and psychology of men, economic aspect etc.

Lets see what we find as possible measures to be taken along with legalization of prostitution. I personally feel, just legalizing it will create more problem.

@Vassnti Kindly give your inputs too.

What you are saying is the difference between prohibition of moonshine and allowing it. Each of the approaches are laced with pros and cons - In illegal prostitution the organized crime brokers are involved under the pretext of giving protection to these women. If legalized, they are on their own and not dependent on anyone. And crimes can be prevented as well apart from these women being persecuted for their trade(while them getting into this trade itself is a horrible thing for them) . For example, there are couple of brothels in Nevada - not in Las Vegas where prostitution is legal but a place elswhere - Mustang Ranch and Chicken Ranch - These two brothels have girls to fulfil the different fetishes of men and the law makers claim that it has avoided various crimes especially providing an outlet for the psychos out there.(these men have weird fetishes which they can't fulfil even when they have their own women)

In summary, what I am saying is do not discount alternate opinions.

 

[airmarshal]

well,if this is true,then america should be the king of rapes.
**** industry,playboy magazines,bikini babes etc. u find everything there.
it is about mentality,not the ads.
get your facts right.

America is a totally different society than India. Rapes do happen in US too. There are other sex related crimes here much worse than India or any other country which still have family values.

Kindly go through the thread before posting this. Are there too many rapes in Western countries where women are in bikinis on beach and swimming pool. They have booming **** industries and they are sold in stores. They show sex on TV serials and movies.

So before you put all blame on women, go back and read about what affects men psyche and why men rape women. A guy Vassnti has told the reasons with backing from Research articles, type of rapists, and I have discussed what is the case with Indian society.

Unless you inform yourself, you might not understand the real reasons the real reasons.

I have said it already I m an outsider. Kindly read my post again.

 

[LeGenD]

Im really happy to see that indian youth is standing up for basic emancipation of women that has been denied over centuries to the women of subcontinent, surely this is an example that Pakistani youth should also follow...

and it must be above political and class affiliations, we should unit for our rights, our basic rights yar...basic !!

I am sick of this retard male chauvinist mentality...

and I must say the girls must develop leadership qualities in themselves, for the very fact that this is about them and their rights, it should be led by them, because at the end of the day its about them....

I pledge to my country's youthful females, please stand up, be united, this is the era of social networking, organize yourself into a strong civil society, stand up... why cannot a group of female doctors, nurses, lawyers, educationists, media persons, teachers, students, health workers, business women, and professional ladies from all walks of life, organize a platform for themselves and fight for any injustice against women?

be a member of one organization and take a united front... you would have those who can fight legal battle, propaganda battle at social networking sites, media battles, financial fight,..... just be organized for your rights...


There is no other way to get out of this mess !!

And what is the expected outcome of such a platform? Crimes against women will decline?

What about crimes against male gender? How these can be minimized?

We should not vouch for enormous competition between males and females in Pakistan under the banner of civil rights and such. Their is no need to introduce special laws just to protect women.

However, we need is a gender-nuetral and effective law and order system based on Islamic principles to minimize crimes against both genders in our country. However, this is only possible if current corrupt leadership system is replaced with a decent corruption-free leadership system (established on the basis of merit and Islamic principles).

We shouldn't blindly follow Western models to solve our problems. They may not necessarily work in our country and history already supports my point of view on this matter.

 

[Leader]

And what is the expected outcome of such a platform? Crimes against women will decline?

What about crimes against male gender? How these can be minimized?

We should not vouch for enormous competition between males and females in Pakistan under the banner of civil rights and such. Their is no need to introduce special laws just to protect women.

However, we need is a gender-nuetral and effective law and order system based on Islamic principles to minimize crimes against both genders in our country. However, this is only possible if current corrupt leadership system is replaced with a decent corruption-free leadership system (established on the basis of merit and Islamic principles).

We shouldn't blindly follow Western models to solve our problems. They may not necessarily work in our country and history already supports my point of view on this matter.

Jesus Christ.... this is the mindset that I was talking about !!!

 

[Markus]

Buddy, we have seen this solution dozens of time. We all know this. For every crime or problem in the world, we have to cleanse the mind of people.

But it will be more helpful if you can be more specific and give suggestions which can be practically used.

1). Ban sexually explicit material in TV and movies.
2). Expel MPs/MLAs with criminal records.
3). Hang some of the rapists and ostracize their family members.
4). Stop blindly following the Western culture and become more religious.

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

What about male rights? Women in sub-continent are dominant and do abuse men regularly. We witness so many fake allegations of molestation, rape and dowry. I have seen girl who ruined life of 55yr old pious men. So many desi girls cheat expat Indo-Pak boys just to get Visa on their passport. Parents from abroad come to sub-continent in hope of finding educated, down to earth desi girl, but they get shock of their life when girl files for divorce after landing on foreign soil.

I feel sad for victim's of rape, but at same time I feel bad when a teenage boy is sexually abused or families are shattered by chaal-baaz girls.

 

[Azazel]

1). Ban sexually explicit material in TV and movies.

We are already doing it.

2). Expel MPs/MLAs with criminal records.

Nice idea.Now,How do you propose to do it??

3). Hang some of the rapists and ostracize their family members.

That's just medieval mentality.

4). Stop blindly following the Western culture and become more religious.

Since when did being religious ever prevented crimes.In fact,religion only exacerbate the intensity of crimes.

 

[Vassnti]

Just imagine how it will affect the minds of lower class men who can't afford them.

See, you have to look at all aspects, possible increase in related crimes, effect on society and psychology of men, economic aspect etc.

Lets see what we find as possible measures to be taken along with legalization of prostitution. I personally feel, just legalizing it will create more problem.

@Vassnti Kindly give your inputs too.

Been away a few days, the legalisiation of prostitution olny eliminates a small category of potentials rapists.

If you look at the types: Disadvantaged men, the ugly the poor the socially unattractive, yes they might not afford a legal service so though it may eliminate some not all.
The specialised rapist and high mating effort types however derive at least some of their motivation from the violence of the act some thing they arent going to get from "most" legalised prostitution services.
The opportunistic rapist doesnt by definition plan ahead but reacts to an opportunity again would probably not going to be affected.
Legal prostitution exist in many countries, it does more to prevent violence against prostitutes than it does to prevent rape.

As for the "lets get religious" and it will fix every thing

Catholic sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The more power to the religion the less risk of exposure or punishment, you simply create a pool of untouchables (in the legal not caste sense ) considering my earlier post showing the research that 30% of men are potential rapists what do you think happens when they can rape with immpunity?

Though i use the Catholic Church as an example you can bet any where Priests have power the same thing happens.

 

[Sashan]

Been away a few days, the legalisiation of prostitution olny eliminates a small category of potentials rapists.

If you look at the types: Disadvantaged men, the ugly the poor the socially unattractive, yes they might not afford a legal service so though it may eliminate some not all.
The specialised rapist and high mating effort types however derive at least some of their motivation from the violence of the act some thing they arent going to get from "most" legalised prostitution services.
The opportunistic rapist doesnt by definition plan ahead but reacts to an opportunity again would probably not going to be affected.
Legal prostitution exist in many countries, it does more to prevent violence against prostitutes than it does to prevent rape.

As for the "lets get religious" and it will fix every thing

Catholic sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The more power to the religion the less risk of exposure or punishment, you simply create a pool of untouchables (in the legal not caste sense ) considering my earlier post showing the research that 30% of men are potential rapists what do you think happens when they can rape with immpunity?

Though i use the Catholic Church as an example you can bet any where Priests have power the same thing happens.

The highlighted portion is nothing but fetishes - There are brothels which can satisfy most fetishes like the ones in Nevada - Chicken Ranch and Mustang Ranch. So legalizing prostitution helps. As for the disadvantaged men there are prostitutes available with different price ranges.