European powers reject China's South China Sea claims

[Viet]

The U.K., France and Germany have reaffirmed that China’s exercise of so-called "historic rights" in the South China Sea does not comply with international law.

Satellite photo dated March 19, 2018 shows Fiery Cross Reef of Spratly Islands. Photo by Planet Labs Inc/Handout via Reuters.


Their views were expressed in a joint note verbale sent to the United Nations (U.N.) with regard to a series of diplomatic letters and notes from China to the U.N. since last year, in which it claimed to have sovereignty over several entities on the South China Sea and to have "historic rights" in the South China Sea, among other maritime claims.

In the Wednesday note verbale, the U.K., France and Germany, as State Parties to the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), reaffirmed that the integrity of UNCLOS needs to be maintained, and underlined the importance of unhampered exercise of the freedom of the high seas, in particular the freedom of navigation and overflight.

They also stated that there was no legal ground for continental states to treat archipelagos or marine features as a whole entity, emphasizing the specific and exhaustive conditions set forth in UNCLOS for the application of straight and archipelagic baselines. They stressed that land building activities or other forms of artificial transformation cannot change the classification of a feature under UNCLOS.

China has attempted to claim most of the South China Sea, which Vietnam calls the East Sea, by claiming baselines and internal waters between island groups, going so far as building artificial islands and militarizing maritime features in several Southeast Asian countries’ territories, including Vietnam's Paracel and Spartly Islands in the East Sea.

France, Germany and the U.K. also highlighted that claims with regard to the exercise of "historic rights" over the South China Sea waters do not comply with international law and UNCLOS provisions, citing a verdict by the Hague tribunal in 2016 which stated that China's claims to "historic rights" under its so-called nine-dash-line are contrary to U.N. convention.

The three countries’ joint note verbale is the latest response from other countries regarding China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea. In July, the U.S. also rejected China’s claims to most of the South China Sea, saying Beijing’s claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its bullying campaign to control them.

European powers reject China's South China Sea claims - VnExpress International

The U.K., France and Germany have reaffirmed that China’s exercise of so-called "historic rights" in the South China Sea does not comply with international law.

vnexpress.net

 

[Viet]

Best news of the day.

 

[Beidou2020]

More barking. Nothing actually changes. China still building the islands and stationing weapons.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Best news of the day.

To you, because you're so weak and powerless. All you can do is scream for help and hope outsiders ride to your rescue. Spoiler: no one's coming. You're all alone.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Best news of the day.

China will be launching ships like dumplings for the remainder of the 21st century. The sick men of Europe located 7,000 km away can't do anything for you.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1299611065282519043

 

[cgy]

Judging from modern history, during the Second World War, Japan launched a war of aggression against China and occupied most of the South China Sea. The Cairo Declaration, the Potsdam Proclamation and other international documents clearly stipulate that the Chinese territory stolen by Japan should be returned to China. In December 1946, the government of the Republic of China appointed senior officials to the Spratly Islands to receive a reception ceremony on the island to send troops to garrison. In 1951, the Chinese government stated in the Declaration on the United States, Britain and Japan on the peace treaty and the San Francisco conference, "the sovereignty of Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands is the same as the entire Dongsha Islands and the China Sand Islands, and has been China's territory since ancient times." It has been publicly recognized by a large number of governments including the Vietnamese government and the resolutions of international conferences. Therefore, there was no so-called "South China Sea issue" in the long period after the war, and no country in the South China Sea region had raised any objection to China's exercise of sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and its adjacent waters. The Japanese government formally stated in 1952 that it "gave up all rights, names and demands on Taiwan, Penghu islands, Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands" and handed over the South China Sea to China.

Before the Second World War, China had sovereignty over the South China Sea. In the Second World War, Japan occupied the sea and islands. After Japan's defeat, China regained sovereignty over the sea and islands as part of the Allied forces.

Now tell me, is Vietnam the main force of the allies? If not, what qualifications do you have to grab China's booty? As I said before, according to the international law, this sea and island belong to China. If you Vietnam does not obey the international law, you should fight with China. If you win China, the South China Sea will be yours. If you lose, China will occupy Vietnam. I think that if a country like Vietnam, which provokes international disputes, only gives up its illegal claim after losing the war, it is really unfair for the victorious countries. This sea area is about 3.5 million square kilometers, and Vietnam's national area is only 329000 square kilometers. Since Vietnam wants to occupy an ocean ten times larger than Vietnam's area, it is very kind of China to ask Vietnam to pay all its land after your failure.What do you think?

 

[zectech]

The West's silence over Taiwan's SCS claims reveals what their hysteria over Chinese mainland's is about

The fact that Taiwan has the same claims does not fit into the neat script drawn up in the Western media and its think tanks. Taiwan's near-identical claims, as well as their determination to defend these claims, are enough to prove that the PRC's historical claims to the SCS are not invalidated...

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And how is their take on Trump trade war against China which the WTO has ruled as illegal. Nothing, then they are just vassals of USA and can be sunk and targeted by nukes.

 

[8888888888888]

The U.K., France and Germany have reaffirmed that China’s exercise of so-called "historic rights" in the South China Sea does not comply with international law.

Satellite photo dated March 19, 2018 shows Fiery Cross Reef of Spratly Islands. Photo by Planet Labs Inc/Handout via Reuters.


Their views were expressed in a joint note verbale sent to the United Nations (U.N.) with regard to a series of diplomatic letters and notes from China to the U.N. since last year, in which it claimed to have sovereignty over several entities on the South China Sea and to have "historic rights" in the South China Sea, among other maritime claims.

In the Wednesday note verbale, the U.K., France and Germany, as State Parties to the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), reaffirmed that the integrity of UNCLOS needs to be maintained, and underlined the importance of unhampered exercise of the freedom of the high seas, in particular the freedom of navigation and overflight.

They also stated that there was no legal ground for continental states to treat archipelagos or marine features as a whole entity, emphasizing the specific and exhaustive conditions set forth in UNCLOS for the application of straight and archipelagic baselines. They stressed that land building activities or other forms of artificial transformation cannot change the classification of a feature under UNCLOS.

China has attempted to claim most of the South China Sea, which Vietnam calls the East Sea, by claiming baselines and internal waters between island groups, going so far as building artificial islands and militarizing maritime features in several Southeast Asian countries’ territories, including Vietnam's Paracel and Spartly Islands in the East Sea.

France, Germany and the U.K. also highlighted that claims with regard to the exercise of "historic rights" over the South China Sea waters do not comply with international law and UNCLOS provisions, citing a verdict by the Hague tribunal in 2016 which stated that China's claims to "historic rights" under its so-called nine-dash-line are contrary to U.N. convention.

The three countries’ joint note verbale is the latest response from other countries regarding China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea. In July, the U.S. also rejected China’s claims to most of the South China Sea, saying Beijing’s claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its bullying campaign to control them.

European powers reject China's South China Sea claims - VnExpress International

The U.K., France and Germany have reaffirmed that China’s exercise of so-called "historic rights" in the South China Sea does not comply with international law.

vnexpress.net

Hello, this is a Vietnamese new paper.

 

[Srinivas]

Hello, this is a Vietnamese new paper.

the news is true.

 

[redtom]

So Vietnam means that the territory should be decided by military power. I think this idea is very good.

 

[zectech]

And how is their take on Trump trade war against China which the WTO has ruled as illegal. Nothing, then they are just vassals of USA and can be sunk and targeted by nukes.

Speaking of sunk and nukes. Italy should develop nuclear SSBNs that launch nuclear V2 rockets that can surface, fire dumb missiles - like V2s with nukes, that are aimed at coastal cities. No electronic warfare can fry the missiles because there are no electronics to fry. No guidance, no jamming, etc. And ADS have no time to intercept, since it would only travel a couple of Km. Make the top part of the SSBNs like tanks, able to survive a nuke blast.

Make about 50-60 of these SSBNs, and China, I mean Italy, would have nothing to fear from blackmail.

 

[Viet]

To you, because you're so weak and powerless. All you can do is scream for help and hope outsiders ride to your rescue. Spoiler: no one's coming. You're all alone.

It’s called IQ beating.
We beat you on diplomatic front.
On military front people will have to wait I guess for the inevitable showdown. You start many wars at once.

 

[Viet]

China will be launching ships like dumplings for the remainder of the 21st century. The sick men of Europe located 7,000 km away can't do anything for you.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1299611065282519043

You can field all warships against us in Vietnam.
You fight in multiple fronts.
Even the US is not so stupid like you.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Speaking of sunk and nukes. Italy should develop nuclear SSBNs that launch nuclear V2 rockets that can surface, fire dumb missiles - like V2s with nukes, that are aimed at coastal cities. No electronic warfare can fry the missiles because there are no electronics to fry. No guidance, no jamming, etc. And ADS have no time to intercept, since it would only travel a couple of Km. Make the top part of the SSBNs like tanks, able to survive a nuke blast.

Make about 50-60 of these SSBNs, and China, I mean Italy, would have nothing to fear from blackmail.

Your plan sounds great until you realize the US Navy can sink the SSBNs themselves -- effectively putting you in a “use it or lose it” situation. There is a reason why China has historically avoided SSBNs. China had the ability to build nuclear subs by the 1970s.

But don't worry. China is getting ready to bring back the SS-24 Scalpel. China has one of the world's largest rail networks and can hide as many ICBMs as needed.