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Al-Arabiya's Editor-in-chief wrote a nice article. I mostly agree with him. GCC is MORE THAN capable of the operation. They have better jets, more soldiers. Pakistan's participation won't make much difference, it will just be symbolic, I hope our Arab friends understand that and let us off the hook. Pretty please? Our friendship is deeper than a pesky invasion. Right?


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/04/14/Et-tu-Pakistan-.html

The record needs to be set straight on a few issues relating to the recent Pakistani parliament vote to remain neutral with regards to the war in Yemen.

First and foremost, Pakistan is a sovereign country, a close ally, a dear friend and a strategic partner to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf in general. Now, there might be a few question marks around PM Nawaz Sharif’s commitment from the beginning and his decision to take the matter to parliament; however, the Pakistani people representatives have spoken and they decided that this is not their war, full-stop.

On the other hand, it is quite understandable that the decision might have shocked many observers; given the enduring belief (or myth as it turned out to be) of Islamabad’s bottomless commitment as a military ally of the Gulf, one must also put things in perspective and not over-estimate the impact that such a decision might have on Operation Decisive Storm itself or other geo-political realities relating to Pakistan and the GCC.

Pakistan’s participation would merely be an “addition to the coalition;” however, Islamabad’s non-participation “wouldn’t affect the coalition work”

As accurately pointed out by Saudi military spokesperson Brigadier General Ahmed Asiri last Friday, Pakistan’s participation would merely be an “addition to the coalition”; however, Islamabad’s non-participation “wouldn’t affect the coalition work.”

Indeed, Saudi Arabia – with more than a 100 fighters jets deployed - is very much capable to continue the airstrikes unilaterally if needed be, and the presence of three (or even a dozen) Pakistani fighter jets, a few vessels will not really make a difference.

The only situation where Pakistan’s participation might have been useful would have been if a ground operation was decided. However, as pointed out numerous times by General Asiri, there are no indications, whatsoever, at this stage that boots on the ground are required. (And if there was such a need, then Pakistani troops would certainly be an addition, but would definitely not affect the mission if Islamabad declines.)

Now as for PM Sharif’s cryptic statement yesterday, which on one hand said that Pakistan “doesn’t abandon friends and strategic partners,” but on another, upheld his parliament’s vote to remain out of the war in Yemen; such statements are similar to the meaningless ones repeated by other ‘allies’ who huffed and puffed pledging over the past few weeks not to allow any harm to fall upon Saudi Arabia and to defend the Kingdom at any cost.

Such heroic statements are certainly heart-warming, but putting aside the lip-service, what needs to be made clear is that Saudi Arabia doesn’t need help in defending itself against a militia which – if put together in one place – might struggle to fill the recently inaugurated al-Jowhara football stadium in Jeddah.

Changing dynamics
So why was Pakistan invited to join the coalition in the first place then?

First and foremost, the coalition was formed to widen the Arab, Muslim and international support for the operation which was launched in response to a plea for help by Yemen’s legitimate President Abdrabu Mansour Hadi.

Then, it is of course the Pakistani experience in combating terrorist groups and advanced military capabilities (owed to a large extent to Gulf support and aid throughout the years to help Islamabad face both regional and internal threats).

Given the border it shares with Iran, having a bigger Pakistani role in the coalition could have been an extremely useful stabilizing force which would indeed help put an end to the fighting and bring the Houthis to the negotiating table without conditions.

Saudi Arabia doesn’t need help in defending itself against a militia which – if put together in one place – might struggle to fill the recently inaugurated al-Jowhara football stadium in Jeddah


However, it is also that border which it shares with Iran which should remind Pakistan of the importance of its strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia and the GCC.

Indeed, Islamabad should remember that it was the Gulf which has always been there for Pakistani leaders and politicians when they needed support, be it internally or on the international community level; also GCC countries were always there to help Pakistan financially and were the first to send aid and ease the pain after every natural disaster that has hit the country in recent years.

Despite the recent developments, it is unlikely that we will see a change in the level of commitment and care that the Gulf people have for ‘our brothers’ in Pakistan. In fact, we should make it a point to show the Pakistani people that our love for them isn’t – or ever was - a case of tit-for-tat. I think it will be very wise to reach out to the people directly (and not through politicians) from now on, this can be achieved by securing food and water, as well by helping build schools, hospitals and develop other humanitarian projects which the masses – and not the elites – will benefit from.


A Pakistani soldier carries aid supplies from Saudi Arabia, in Retra town about 55 kms north west of Multan, Pakistan, Wednesday, Aug. 18, 2010. (AP Photo/Kamran Jebreili)

However, what Islamabad should realize on a political level is that the region’s dynamics are changing and with Iran brazenly meddling in Iraq, Syria and Yemen; Pakistan – with its proximity to Tehran - is not immune to the threat and its best bet is to continue to be the reliable ally it has always been to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

___________
Faisal J. Abbas is the Editor-in-Chief of Al Arabiya English, he is a renowned blogger and an award-winning journalist. Faisal covered the Middle East extensively working for Future Television of Lebanon and both Al-Hayat and Asharq Al-Awsat pan-Arab dailies. He blogs for The Huffington Post since 2008, and is a recipient of many media awards and a member of the British Society of Authors, National Union of Journalists, the John Adams Society as well as an associate member of the Cambridge Union Society. He can be reached on @FaisalJAbbas on Twitter.
 
Al-Arabiya's Editor-in-chief wrote a nice article. I mostly agree with him. GCC is MORE THAN capable of the operation. They have better jets, more soldiers. Pakistan's participation won't make much difference, it will just be symbolic, I hope our Arab friends understand that and let us off the hook. Pretty please? Our friendship is deeper than a pesky invasion. Right?


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/04/14/Et-tu-Pakistan-.html

The record needs to be set straight on a few issues relating to the recent Pakistani parliament vote to remain neutral with regards to the war in Yemen.

First and foremost, Pakistan is a sovereign country, a close ally, a dear friend and a strategic partner to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf in general. Now, there might be a few question marks around PM Nawaz Sharif’s commitment from the beginning and his decision to take the matter to parliament; however, the Pakistani people representatives have spoken and they decided that this is not their war, full-stop.

On the other hand, it is quite understandable that the decision might have shocked many observers; given the enduring belief (or myth as it turned out to be) of Islamabad’s bottomless commitment as a military ally of the Gulf, one must also put things in perspective and not over-estimate the impact that such a decision might have on Operation Decisive Storm itself or other geo-political realities relating to Pakistan and the GCC.

Pakistan’s participation would merely be an “addition to the coalition;” however, Islamabad’s non-participation “wouldn’t affect the coalition work”

As accurately pointed out by Saudi military spokesperson Brigadier General Ahmed Asiri last Friday, Pakistan’s participation would merely be an “addition to the coalition”; however, Islamabad’s non-participation “wouldn’t affect the coalition work.”

Indeed, Saudi Arabia – with more than a 100 fighters jets deployed - is very much capable to continue the airstrikes unilaterally if needed be, and the presence of three (or even a dozen) Pakistani fighter jets, a few vessels will not really make a difference.

The only situation where Pakistan’s participation might have been useful would have been if a ground operation was decided. However, as pointed out numerous times by General Asiri, there are no indications, whatsoever, at this stage that boots on the ground are required. (And if there was such a need, then Pakistani troops would certainly be an addition, but would definitely not affect the mission if Islamabad declines.)

Now as for PM Sharif’s cryptic statement yesterday, which on one hand said that Pakistan “doesn’t abandon friends and strategic partners,” but on another, upheld his parliament’s vote to remain out of the war in Yemen; such statements are similar to the meaningless ones repeated by other ‘allies’ who huffed and puffed pledging over the past few weeks not to allow any harm to fall upon Saudi Arabia and to defend the Kingdom at any cost.

Such heroic statements are certainly heart-warming, but putting aside the lip-service, what needs to be made clear is that Saudi Arabia doesn’t need help in defending itself against a militia which – if put together in one place – might struggle to fill the recently inaugurated al-Jowhara football stadium in Jeddah.

Changing dynamics
So why was Pakistan invited to join the coalition in the first place then?

First and foremost, the coalition was formed to widen the Arab, Muslim and international support for the operation which was launched in response to a plea for help by Yemen’s legitimate President Abdrabu Mansour Hadi.

Then, it is of course the Pakistani experience in combating terrorist groups and advanced military capabilities (owed to a large extent to Gulf support and aid throughout the years to help Islamabad face both regional and internal threats).

Given the border it shares with Iran, having a bigger Pakistani role in the coalition could have been an extremely useful stabilizing force which would indeed help put an end to the fighting and bring the Houthis to the negotiating table without conditions.

Saudi Arabia doesn’t need help in defending itself against a militia which – if put together in one place – might struggle to fill the recently inaugurated al-Jowhara football stadium in Jeddah


However, it is also that border which it shares with Iran which should remind Pakistan of the importance of its strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia and the GCC.

Indeed, Islamabad should remember that it was the Gulf which has always been there for Pakistani leaders and politicians when they needed support, be it internally or on the international community level; also GCC countries were always there to help Pakistan financially and were the first to send aid and ease the pain after every natural disaster that has hit the country in recent years.

Despite the recent developments, it is unlikely that we will see a change in the level of commitment and care that the Gulf people have for ‘our brothers’ in Pakistan. In fact, we should make it a point to show the Pakistani people that our love for them isn’t – or ever was - a case of tit-for-tat. I think it will be very wise to reach out to the people directly (and not through politicians) from now on, this can be achieved by securing food and water, as well by helping build schools, hospitals and develop other humanitarian projects which the masses – and not the elites – will benefit from.


A Pakistani soldier carries aid supplies from Saudi Arabia, in Retra town about 55 kms north west of Multan, Pakistan, Wednesday, Aug. 18, 2010. (AP Photo/Kamran Jebreili)

However, what Islamabad should realize on a political level is that the region’s dynamics are changing and with Iran brazenly meddling in Iraq, Syria and Yemen; Pakistan – with its proximity to Tehran - is not immune to the threat and its best bet is to continue to be the reliable ally it has always been to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

___________
Faisal J. Abbas is the Editor-in-Chief of Al Arabiya English, he is a renowned blogger and an award-winning journalist. Faisal covered the Middle East extensively working for Future Television of Lebanon and both Al-Hayat and Asharq Al-Awsat pan-Arab dailies. He blogs for The Huffington Post since 2008, and is a recipient of many media awards and a member of the British Society of Authors, National Union of Journalists, the John Adams Society as well as an associate member of the Cambridge Union Society. He can be reached on @FaisalJAbbas on Twitter.

The meaning of Et tu, Pakistan: Et tu, Brute? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a title for an article. Declaring Pakistan as a backstabbing assassin traitor.

So Pakistan is already declared a traitor by its Arab allies.

From the article:

So why was Pakistan invited to join the coalition in the first place then?

Then, it is of course the Pakistani experience in combating terrorist groups and advanced military capabilities (owed to a large extent to Gulf support and aid throughout the years to help Islamabad face both regional and internal threats).

I wonder if he means the ideology that they have sent to Pakistan which he is referring to as aid.

What more can be said.
 
Pakistan at no point has refused to defend Saudi Arabia or the GCC

they are vital allies and Pakistan will step up against any existential threat to our allies

Our arab friends can rest assured

The houthis however are not an existential threat, Pakistan has commited to defend arabia just not get involved by going head first into a complicated situation where our own complicated situation in Pakistan could be aggravated before our Military brings everything under control

It would be helpful if our arab friends understand
that Pakistan is not abandoning the GCC and will aid in defending Saudi territory at all costs


It would also help if in future the GCC coukd support the Pakistani state and military to become stronger and make tangible contributions and maybe even create a proper framework for our alliance so we know in wars against our enemies we know we stand
 
What kind of self-righteous nonsense is this ? Whatever aid was given to Pakistan wasn't out of the benevolence of the Arab heart....it was because of services rendered by Pakistan to give some semblance of a military to your otherwise castrated States. UAE's minister who had the temerity of criticizing us should've bothered to consider that of the first 4 airchief's of their damn Airforce - All 4 were Pakistanis !
 
The meaning of Et tu, Pakistan: Et tu, Brute? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a title for an article. Declaring Pakistan as a backstabbing assassin traitor.

So Pakistan is already declared a traitor by its Arab allies.

From the article:



I wonder if he means the ideology that they have sent to Pakistan which he is referring to as aid.

What more can be said.
Well it doesn't take much thinking to realize that there was some ulterior motive to all that money. If there was some understanding and Pakistan didn't fulfill it, of course they will call us traitors. Not that I support any participation in Yemen, but Pakistan should have thought of its wording more carefully. Or shouldn't have accepted the money in the first place.

What kind of self-righteous nonsense is this ? Whatever aid was given to Pakistan wasn't out of the benevolence of the Arab heart....it was because of services rendered by Pakistan to give some semblance of a military to your otherwise castrated States. UAE's minister who had the temerity of criticizing us should've bothered to consider that of the first 4 airchief's of their damn Airforce - All 4 were Pakistanis !
The troops that go there get their pay from the house country, that I can tell you without a doubt. But they do send in allot of money at other times too, like after nuclear tests, ksa gave us oil worth $1 billion per year.
 
The troops that go there get their pay from the house country, that I can tell you without a doubt. But they do send in allot of money at other times too, like after nuclear tests, ksa gave us oil worth $1 billion per year.

If 'pay' was the only consideration they could've hired trainers and troops from other country's. You don't send your men to another country because of the salary....you do so because they are your allies !

So far as the oil is concerned it was on deferred payments i.e you pay-up but at a later date....I thank the Saudis for that !

But that does not for a moment mean that we can be abused, insulted and blackmailed into doing whatever is required of us; we are a sovereign nation who has given a guarantee of KSA's safety but that is the extent of it....we will not enter a war not our own. Instead of insulting us with these self-righteous jibes as if our relationship consisted only of Pakistanis holding a begging bowl and not a two-way relationship with both benefiting from what the other had to offer, they ought to act as ALLIES do and understand our concerns and respect our decision !
 
Well it doesn't take much thinking to realize that there was some ulterior motive to all that money. If there was some understanding and Pakistan didn't fulfill it, of course they will call us traitors. Not that I support any participation in Yemen, but Pakistan should have thought of its wording more carefully. Or shouldn't have accepted the money in the first place.


The troops that go there get their pay from the house country, that I can tell you without a doubt. But they do send in allot of money at other times too, like after nuclear tests, ksa gave us oil worth $1 billion per year.

Well, if the ulterior motive was there, you are already absolved. You could have the money and do nothing. The motive was not fair. As @Oscar said once to me on another thread about a similar subject, it is money made off the stupidity of the other side and it is halal (judging by his avatar, I think he is an Islamic scholar). :lol:

If 'pay' was the only consideration they could've hired trainers and troops from other country's. You don't send your men to another country because of the salary....you do so because they are your allies !

Unfortunately blackwater can not provide several divisions equivalent force in order to go in Yemen and prop up a pro-Saudi regime. At least not cost effectively. Otherwise, they would have done it. For this, they need a proper army of canon fodders. Large and cheap.
 
I consider Pakistan's refusal as a glimpse of the seismic shift that has taken place deep inside Pakistan's psyche. Pakistan has come to realize its own weakness. It has come to know that it is not strong enough to brandish its own flag in its neighbourhood. Pakistan has decided to follow its neighbours instead of confronting them. A process has started that will make Pakistan become allies with Iran and India. All this will unfold over the next 25 years.
 
Al-Arabiya's Editor-in-chief wrote a nice article. I mostly agree with him. GCC is MORE THAN capable of the operation. They have better jets, more soldiers. Pakistan's participation won't make much difference, it will just be symbolic, I hope our Arab friends understand that and let us off the hook. Pretty please? Our friendship is deeper than a pesky invasion. Right?


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/04/14/Et-tu-Pakistan-.html

The record needs to be set straight on a few issues relating to the recent Pakistani parliament vote to remain neutral with regards to the war in Yemen.

First and foremost, Pakistan is a sovereign country, a close ally, a dear friend and a strategic partner to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf in general. Now, there might be a few question marks around PM Nawaz Sharif’s commitment from the beginning and his decision to take the matter to parliament; however, the Pakistani people representatives have spoken and they decided that this is not their war, full-stop.

On the other hand, it is quite understandable that the decision might have shocked many observers; given the enduring belief (or myth as it turned out to be) of Islamabad’s bottomless commitment as a military ally of the Gulf, one must also put things in perspective and not over-estimate the impact that such a decision might have on Operation Decisive Storm itself or other geo-political realities relating to Pakistan and the GCC.

Pakistan’s participation would merely be an “addition to the coalition;” however, Islamabad’s non-participation “wouldn’t affect the coalition work”

As accurately pointed out by Saudi military spokesperson Brigadier General Ahmed Asiri last Friday, Pakistan’s participation would merely be an “addition to the coalition”; however, Islamabad’s non-participation “wouldn’t affect the coalition work.”

Indeed, Saudi Arabia – with more than a 100 fighters jets deployed - is very much capable to continue the airstrikes unilaterally if needed be, and the presence of three (or even a dozen) Pakistani fighter jets, a few vessels will not really make a difference.

The only situation where Pakistan’s participation might have been useful would have been if a ground operation was decided. However, as pointed out numerous times by General Asiri, there are no indications, whatsoever, at this stage that boots on the ground are required. (And if there was such a need, then Pakistani troops would certainly be an addition, but would definitely not affect the mission if Islamabad declines.)

Now as for PM Sharif’s cryptic statement yesterday, which on one hand said that Pakistan “doesn’t abandon friends and strategic partners,” but on another, upheld his parliament’s vote to remain out of the war in Yemen; such statements are similar to the meaningless ones repeated by other ‘allies’ who huffed and puffed pledging over the past few weeks not to allow any harm to fall upon Saudi Arabia and to defend the Kingdom at any cost.

Such heroic statements are certainly heart-warming, but putting aside the lip-service, what needs to be made clear is that Saudi Arabia doesn’t need help in defending itself against a militia which – if put together in one place – might struggle to fill the recently inaugurated al-Jowhara football stadium in Jeddah.

Changing dynamics
So why was Pakistan invited to join the coalition in the first place then?

First and foremost, the coalition was formed to widen the Arab, Muslim and international support for the operation which was launched in response to a plea for help by Yemen’s legitimate President Abdrabu Mansour Hadi.

Then, it is of course the Pakistani experience in combating terrorist groups and advanced military capabilities (owed to a large extent to Gulf support and aid throughout the years to help Islamabad face both regional and internal threats).

Given the border it shares with Iran, having a bigger Pakistani role in the coalition could have been an extremely useful stabilizing force which would indeed help put an end to the fighting and bring the Houthis to the negotiating table without conditions.

Saudi Arabia doesn’t need help in defending itself against a militia which – if put together in one place – might struggle to fill the recently inaugurated al-Jowhara football stadium in Jeddah


However, it is also that border which it shares with Iran which should remind Pakistan of the importance of its strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia and the GCC.

Indeed, Islamabad should remember that it was the Gulf which has always been there for Pakistani leaders and politicians when they needed support, be it internally or on the international community level; also GCC countries were always there to help Pakistan financially and were the first to send aid and ease the pain after every natural disaster that has hit the country in recent years.

Despite the recent developments, it is unlikely that we will see a change in the level of commitment and care that the Gulf people have for ‘our brothers’ in Pakistan. In fact, we should make it a point to show the Pakistani people that our love for them isn’t – or ever was - a case of tit-for-tat. I think it will be very wise to reach out to the people directly (and not through politicians) from now on, this can be achieved by securing food and water, as well by helping build schools, hospitals and develop other humanitarian projects which the masses – and not the elites – will benefit from.


A Pakistani soldier carries aid supplies from Saudi Arabia, in Retra town about 55 kms north west of Multan, Pakistan, Wednesday, Aug. 18, 2010. (AP Photo/Kamran Jebreili)

However, what Islamabad should realize on a political level is that the region’s dynamics are changing and with Iran brazenly meddling in Iraq, Syria and Yemen; Pakistan – with its proximity to Tehran - is not immune to the threat and its best bet is to continue to be the reliable ally it has always been to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

___________
Faisal J. Abbas is the Editor-in-Chief of Al Arabiya English, he is a renowned blogger and an award-winning journalist. Faisal covered the Middle East extensively working for Future Television of Lebanon and both Al-Hayat and Asharq Al-Awsat pan-Arab dailies. He blogs for The Huffington Post since 2008, and is a recipient of many media awards and a member of the British Society of Authors, National Union of Journalists, the John Adams Society as well as an associate member of the Cambridge Union Society. He can be reached on @FaisalJAbbas on Twitter.

By the way, there are other explanations for that Et tu part of the title.

Aside from meaning, Pakistan is a backstabbing assassin traitor, it can also mean other things.

For example it can mean, that Saudi Arabia sees itself as Julius Caesar of the world, which is being conspired against by different world actors among them the Brutus (Pakistan).

Or as per the Roman historian Suetonius, it can have a dark derogatory meaning, which I do not want to write by myself but can be seen here: Brute? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Pakistan was never part of this coalition. KSA undermined Pakistan like it constantly does and used its propaganda mouthpiece al arabiya to announce that Pakistan was part of this coalition. Nawaz Shariff spouted rhetoric about defending KSA since he's in a tight position as KSA saved his life and personal finances.
Following day Pakistani delegation goes to see what the royals demanded which was planes, navy and most importantly troops. KSA undermines Pakistan further placing Pakistan's flag amongst the coalition of the incompetent. The PM uses democracy to troll KSA good and as an excuse to save himself.

Of course Al arabiya editor is going to say middle-ground PC stuff, they don't want to be seen like the UAE d*** or the bahraini paper but obviously Saudis are livid and their PR of this operation is slowly being rubbed away. Now they are say ground offence may not be required lol as things are going super.
 
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@Horus

You had made a thread on this subject, so this is an article with a very meaningful title, relating to your thread.

By the way Horus sounds and hymns very much like Brotus :lol:. Any connection? Perhaps in past lives? :partay:
 
Pakistan at no point has refused to defend Saudi Arabia or the GCC

they are vital allies and Pakistan will step up against any existential threat to our allies

Our arab friends can rest assured

The houthis however are not an existential threat, Pakistan has commited to defend arabia just not get involved by going head first into a complicated situation where our own complicated situation in Pakistan could be aggravated before our Military brings everything under control

It would be helpful if our arab friends understand
that Pakistan is not abandoning the GCC and will aid in defending Saudi territory at all costs


It would also help if in future the GCC coukd support the Pakistani state and military to become stronger and make tangible contributions and maybe even create a proper framework for our alliance so we know in wars against our enemies we know we stand

Defending KSA should be Egypt's, Jordan and Gulfies obligation.
 
But that does not for a moment mean that we can be abused, insulted and blackmailed into doing whatever is required of us;
our relationship consisted only of Pakistanis holding a begging bowl and not a two-way relationship with both benefiting from what the other had to offer,
Pakistan's concept of self respect and dignity is very convenient. Pakistan has 350-600 trainers in KSA. We have had no troop deployment since Zia Ul Haq's time. Tell me what sort of super soldier trainers we are providing them with that warrants a $1.5 billion paycheck? Or as our government called it, a "gift". I ask you exactly which "services" was KSA offered? $1.5 billion is 1/5th of our military budget.
You say we don't go around with a begging bowl, but unfortunately that's exactly what our governments do. They ruin the economy or pocket the money and then go around asking for money. Where was our dignity and self respect when we accepted the $1.5 billion gift?
Don't misinterpret this as me supporting Pakistan's participation in Yemen. I am totally against that, I just think Pakistan should be able to say "No, Thank you" when someone shows up with suspicious money.
Well, if the ulterior motive was there, you are already absolved. You could have the money and do nothing. The motive was not fair.
Ulterior motive was what was obvious to the public. I am sure they didn't tell our ministers that the money was just in good will. They must have said much more which was never revealed to the public.

By the way, there are other explanations for that Et tu part of the title.

Aside from meaning, Pakistan is a backstabbing assassin traitor, it can also mean other things.

For example it can mean, that Saudi Arabia sees itself as Julius Caesar of the world, which is being conspired against by different world actors among them the Brutus (Pakistan).

Or as per the Roman historian Suetonius, it can have a dark derogatory meaning, which I do not want to write by myself but can be seen here: Brute? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Only the analogy of a traitor seems relevant here.
 
Ulterior motive was what was obvious to the public. I am sure they didn't tell our ministers that the money was just in good will. They must have said much more which was never revealed to the public.

Well, you are a democracy and in a democracy, public accountability reigns supreme. You have the most perfect excuse.

Only the analogy of a traitor seems relevant here.

Yes, the other meaning of Et tu as per Latin and Roman history is too dark and derogatory. I am "sure" the Arab "brothers" could not mean as such. But the knowledge of this government appointed chief editor on Roman history, must be quite deep and has truly impressed me. Though it is quite another matter, that those patriotic Pakistanis with such a knowledge would see this title as a blood-boiler. After all, the 'legitimacy' of a nation has been questioned on a bio-genetical ground.
 
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But the knowledge of this government appointed chief editor on Roman history, must be quite deep and has truly impressed me.
Nothing to be impressed. A lot of schools have at least one play in English classes. Our's was Macbeth, his was probably Julius, on top of that he is a journalist, probably did bachelors in it. Even if government appointed, they are still required to know at least some English literature to not end up embarrassing themselves.
 
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