Escalation in the Taiwan strait as the Taiwanese president boldly confirms US troops are present on the Island

[Falconless]

On the mainland side is Fujian Province, without any important industrial and nuclear facilities. Fujian's main economy is aquatic products, agriculture and entrepot trade with Taiwan.
China's important facilities and military industry are in Sichuan, Gansu, Shaanxi and other provinces. They are in inland China, not in coastal provinces.

Don’t they also have an island 120KM offshore Guangdong?

 

[MH.Yang]

Taiwan has already build stealth missile boats and their own cruise missiles without needing American help on those. Just like South Korea, they can make some of their own weaponry.

Those are rubbish.
You can google the Chinese 022 stealth missile boat, which has superior performance, but it was abandoned by the Chinese navy. Because they lack air control capability, and radar is not as good as early warning aircraft, they had no ability to fight back against the superior air force at sea. Can the so-called stealth ability surpass submarines? Taiwan's cruise missiles also have poor performance. These equipment cannot survive the first round of attack.

If China had not been able to control Taiwan in a very short time, the Americans would have allowed Taiwan to declare independence.

Don’t they also have an island 120KM offshore Guangdong?

That's Hainan Island, controlled by the PRC.

 

[Beast]

Taiwan has already build stealth missile boats and their own cruise missiles without needing American help on those. Just like South Korea, they can make some of their own weaponry.

North Korea can build even stealth boat , submarine and even Mobile ICBM. By your theory , NK are world class armed forces?

I still remember Taiwan antiship missile hit their own fishing boat.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Number of missiles may not matter...and interception may not be necessary...if all the missiles are flying blind, deaf, and dumb.

Everyone should recall that Iran took down and captured a largely intact RQ-170 in 2011. This was a decade ago. SATCOM links can be jammed, and a drone's GPS system can be spoofed with false coordinates and tricked into thinking they're somewhere else other than where they actually are. I'm willing to bet that the RQ-170 had anti-jam GPS equipment superior to the average cruise missile. It's also important to note that military GPS receivers use the encrypted P(Y)-code GPS signal instead of the civilian one. So does that mean Iran broke through the encryption? What about the internal INS system? How did Iran manage to spoof that? I have no idea, but Iran brought down the stealth drone.

Another thing...note the range of a Russian handheld GPS jammer from 1997.

In 1997 a Russian company offered a handheld four-watt GPS and GLONASS jammer that was effective at ranges of up to 150 to 200 kilometers.

Jammers at dachas add to Russia’s ability to silence GPS - GPS World

A new investigative report by the Russian independent media group “The Project” into luxury dachas owned by high-ranking government officials revealed that

www.gpsworld.com

The aircraft below is a Chinese electronic warfare "theater suppression" aircraft. I think it's a little bigger than a handheld jammer.

Think of this aircraft as the Chinese equivalent to the EC-130H Compass Call. Here's the description from af.mil:

The Block 35 Baseline 1 EC-130H provides the Air Force with additional capabilities to jam communication, Early Warning/Acquisition radar and navigation systems through higher effective radiated power, extended frequency range and insertion of digital signal processing

EC-130H Compass Call

The EC-130H Compass Call is an airborne tactical weapon system using a heavily modified version of the C-130 Hercules airframe.

www.af.mil

Ahem.

According to the Manukai’s screens, another ship was steaming up the same channel at about seven knots (eight miles per hour). Suddenly, the other ship disappeared from the AIS display. A few minutes later, the screen showed the other ship back at the dock. Then it was in the channel and moving again, then back at the dock, then gone once more.

Eventually, mystified, the captain picked up his binoculars and scanned the dockside. The other ship had been stationary at the dock the entire time.

Now, new research and previously unseen data show that the Manukai, and thousands of other vessels in Shanghai over the last year, are falling victim to a mysterious new weapon that is able to spoof GPS systems in a way never seen before.

And this was very different from the hacking seen in Russian waters, where vessels were all spoofed to a single point. The Shanghai data showed ships jumping every few minutes to different locations on rings on the eastern bank of the Huangpu. On a visualization of the data spanning days and weeks, the ships appeared to congregate in large circles.

“To be able to spoof multiple ships simultaneously into a circle is extraordinary technology. It looks like magic,” he said.

In September, Humphreys showed a visualization of the data at the world’s largest conference of satellite navigation technology, ION GNSS+ in Florida. “People were slack-jawed when I showed them this pattern of spoofing,”

In spoofing, every receiver within range usually receives the same fake signals, and thus believes itself to be in the same location. While this is more serious than simply jamming the GPS signals, an alert captain would certainly notice if all the ships on the navigation screen suddenly jumped to the same place at the same time.

The Shanghai “crop circles,” which somehow spoof each vessel to a different false location, are something new. “I’m still puzzled by this,” says Humphreys. “I can’t get it to work out in the math. It’s an interesting mystery.”

Ghost ships, crop circles, and soft gold: A GPS mystery in Shanghai

A sophisticated new electronic warfare system is being used at the world’s busiest port. But is it sand thieves or the Chinese state behind it?

www.technologyreview.com

 

[Oldman1]

North Korea can build even stealth boat , submarine and even Mobile ICBM. By your theory , NK are world class armed forces?

I still remember Taiwan antiship missile hit their own fishing boat.

Yeah so did the Iranians, you believe Iran doesn't have a world class armed forces then?

 

[Oldman1]

Those are rubbish.
You can google the Chinese 022 stealth missile boat, which has superior performance, but it was abandoned by the Chinese navy. Because they lack air control capability, and radar is not as good as early warning aircraft, they had no ability to fight back against the superior air force at sea. Can the so-called stealth ability surpass submarines? Taiwan's cruise missiles also have poor performance. These equipment cannot survive the first round of attack.

If China had not been able to control Taiwan in a very short time, the Americans would have allowed Taiwan to declare independence.

So you claim yet you have small boats that carry such weapons. And did China really abandoned such boats? Also how do you know the cruise missiles also have poor performance?

 

[nahtanbob]

Do you know that:
Taiwan is 130 km away from the mainland, and China's long-range rocket-gun has a range of 480 km.

sure my d**k is 6 feet. there is a good reason most artillery guns have 20-40 km range

 

[MH.Yang]

sure my d**k is 6 feet. there is a good reason most artillery guns have 20-40 km range

PCL191 has a range of 500km and can shoot accurately.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...petual_scroll&pgtype=article&campaign=3041007

WS2D

WS2D has a range of 480km and the rocket is cheap.

 

[gambit]

BTW, you still have no ability to answer the question of "by what mechanism are they going to 'defend' anything against 70x more missiles than they have interceptors".

I have already addressed this.

The issue is not to match 1-1 ratio, but to intercept just enough to ensure survival of critical war waging capabilities and structures. Did you missed what I said about the 1 out of four success rate for the Taiwanese defenders to at least render doubtful a successful invasion within that narrow time window?

Here is the deal...

Easy <============================================> Hard

Most people are humble enough to move towards the 'Hard' end when they encounter something they do not know and/or never seen/done before.

But not you guys. This is a military oriented forum and none of the PDF Chinese members ever served. Not a single day. And yet, on every military issue, none of you exercised hesitation from your ignorance and non-experience in that issue. None of you considered the possibility that for every publicly available bit of info, there are classified and unknown info that CRITICALLY affect that issue. Most of the time, none of you did even basic research into the issue before you spew off your ignorance. And when said ignorance is laughably exposed, you doubled down on said ignorance.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I have already addressed this.

The issue is not to match 1-1 ratio, but to intercept just enough to ensure survival of critical war waging capabilities and structures. Did you missed what I said about the 1 out of four success rate for the Taiwanese defenders to at least render doubtful a successful invasion within that narrow time window?

Here is the deal...

Easy <============================================> Hard

Most people are humble enough to move towards the 'Hard' end when they encounter something they do not know and/or never seen/done before.

But not you guys. This is a military oriented forum and none of the PDF Chinese members ever served. Not a single day. And yet, on every military issue, none of you exercised hesitation from your ignorance and non-experience in that issue. None of you considered the possibility that for every publicly available bit of info, there are classified and unknown info that CRITICALLY affect that issue. Most of the time, none of you did even basic research into the issue before you spew off your ignorance. And when said ignorance is laughably exposed, you doubled down on said ignorance.

Actually it has been done before: PRC and PLA defeating and destroying ROC forces. Multiple times. In various environments. To spectacular success.

Preventing defeat is new and rarely done before by the ROC forces. You should lecture them.

 

[Beast]

I have already addressed this.

The issue is not to match 1-1 ratio, but to intercept just enough to ensure survival of critical war waging capabilities and structures. Did you missed what I said about the 1 out of four success rate for the Taiwanese defenders to at least render doubtful a successful invasion within that narrow time window?

Here is the deal...

Easy <============================================> Hard

Most people are humble enough to move towards the 'Hard' end when they encounter something they do not know and/or never seen/done before.

But not you guys. This is a military oriented forum and none of the PDF Chinese members ever served. Not a single day. And yet, on every military issue, none of you exercised hesitation from your ignorance and non-experience in that issue. None of you considered the possibility that for every publicly available bit of info, there are classified and unknown info that CRITICALLY affect that issue. Most of the time, none of you did even basic research into the issue before you spew off your ignorance. And when said ignorance is laughably exposed, you doubled down on said ignorance.

General McArthur also served and fight in WWII , yet his military experience and victory previously gives him nothing advantage rather than defeat in Korea War against PVA.

His leadership and assessment are so terrible that President Truman sacked him due to his repeat mistake that cost his US UN forces dearly.

 

[Nan Yang]

Then we will use your arguments -- Why have China not attack Taiwan yet if China's offense is so overwhelming?

Why is the element of surprise critical in combat and war? You are avoiding the main issue just like the Chinese guys are doing.

China could have easily walk into Hong Kong in 1949 too. But they waited until 1997. Now they have a world class city and financial center with it's gold billions intact.

 

[Itachi]

I don't get spooked by Urdu speaking Kolkata Dadas.

Let's hear some of those Urdu words, have the Pakistani brothers check your Kolkata Bihari Urdu.

I guess you'd fancy getting banned again.

Check my profile page and come and check my Urdu. I'll be sure to call upon my Bengali friends to check if you're Bengali too.

Be sure to invite a Pakistani though cuz unless you're Indian yourself, you won't be able to make sense of Urdu.

Non of these weapons will defend Taiwan, the only thing defending Taiwan is TSMC's silicon shield.

Weapons exist for a reason. I really don't want to go Sun Tzu on you but one of the many points of having those weapons is to protect that silicon shield.

Also to make China rethink any military maneuver...

You don't prepare for a fight with a shield only.

 

[Itachi]

The things is à war isn't won by the number of casualties suffered by a country. Germany lost far less people during WWII compared to Russia who lost almost 10rimes more but still emerged as one of the winners. (Granted that Germany was fighting US, UK, France etc all at the same time as well ).
In short, I the event of a war between China and Taïwan, the later doesn't stand much of a chance. The best Taïwan military is trained for is to hold the PLA off for as long as possible to give enough time for the US to come to their aid. The Chinese have modernised their navy alot this pas decade alone, and they à still in the middle of this modernisation. So it is becoming even more unbearable for Taiwan with each passing year as the balance of power keep increasing.
Just décades ago the Chinese navy had no real capability to threaten Taïwan per se. Else they would have been embolden to take over the country decades ago, but no things have changed alot, and in a decade from now Taïwan things will look even more desperate desperate Taïwan. The only hope they have in future is to openly let the US building a military base in Taïwan and to sign a mutual defence treaty with them. In short only the US can save them. There's no other option.

Taiwan looking onto the US for support is correct. But as times change, so will Taiwanese military doctrine(s).

I'm not privy to the Taiwanese military doctrine(s) but it'll also most probably include inflicting as much casualties as possible onto the Chinese invading forces.

All it comes down to is if China can afford losing men, money & a couple other very important things. So far, China has decided that it cannot afford to invade Taiwan......will that change in the future?? Let's see.

 

[gambit]

Actually it has been done before: PRC and PLA defeating and destroying ROC forces. Multiple times. In various environments. To spectacular success.

Preventing defeat is new and rarely done before by the ROC forces. You should lecture them.

Here is Desert Storm's famous 'left hook' maneuver by allied ground forces.

The PLAN amphibious fleet have no equivalent. Nowhere else to go on the water.

This is a map of where WW II JPNese ships sunk.

With a Chinese amphibious invasion of Taiwan, there WILL be PLAN ships in the latest map. Perhaps even enough that the fleet will be turned back.