ERDOGAN's modern Turkey 2003-2023

[MMM-E]

If you dare you can check how many good students we have lost to developed countries.

most of them are FETO members


over 253.000 well educated Turks returned to Turkey from Germany only between 2006 and 2012
now Turkey has everything for well educated young people
"" TAVAK vakfı olarak Türkiye'de bir araştırma yaptık. 2006 – 2012 yılları arasında 253 bine yakın iyi eğitim almış Türk Almanya'dan ayrılıp Türkiye'ye yerleşti""

https://www.dw.com/tr/almanyaya-dönen-türklerin-sayısı-artıyor/a-38338076


Turkey's earlier efforts to bring back its academic diaspora ensured the return of more than 595 researchers to Turkey in the past 8 years after they pursued a career abroad ( at the world's top 100 universities )

https://www.dailysabah.com/education/2019/03/30/new-program-brings-turkish-scientists-home

When facts does not fit your belief, those are deflected?

I am saying again

Turkey and Austria had almost same GDP in 2002
but 2019 Turkey had $776 billion of GDP .... Austria had $455 billion

also 2002 9x Turkey = 1 Germany and 2019 5x Turkey = 1 Germany

2002 Turkey $230 billion and Germany : $2.06 trillion
2019 Turkey $766 billion and Germany : $3.89 trillion

even since 2013 Turkey and Turkish economy under attack and Turkish currency dropped by 320%

you can fool only anti Erdogan guys

 

[ANMDT]

most of them are FETO members


over 250.000 well educated European Turks returned to Turkey
"" TAVAK vakfı olarak Türkiye'de bir araştırma yaptık. 2006 – 2012 yılları arasında 253 bine yakın iyi eğitim almış Türk Almanya'dan ayrılıp Türkiye'ye yerleşti""

https://www.dw.com/tr/almanyaya-dönen-türklerin-sayısı-artıyor/a-38338076


Turkey's earlier efforts to bring back its academic diaspora ensured the return of more than 595 researchers to Turkey in the past 8 years after they pursued a career abroad ( at the world's top 100 universities )

https://www.dailysabah.com/education/2019/03/30/new-program-brings-turkish-scientists-home



I am saying again

btw Turkey and Austria had almost same GDP in 2002
but 2019 Turkey had $776 billion of GDP .... Austria had $455 billion

also 2002 9x Turkey = 1 Germany and 2019 5x Turkey = 1 Germany

2002 Turkey $230 billion and Germany : $2.06 trillion
2019 Turkey $766 billion and Germany : $3.89 trillion

even since 2013 Turkey and Turkish economy under attack and Turkish currency dropped by 320%

Are you aware of Austria's population? It is half of Istanbul. Turkeys population has grown three times of austria within 20 years.
One to one comparisons will not bring you anywhere, you will end up finding more countries has developed more than Turkey.
Just check the charts, You don't expect a developed country to grow as developing one does.
Only small portion of them are FETO members. I personally know valuable people who has moved to Europe for temporarily or permanently because of what has been offered to them, it wasn't money, but the opportunities, research budgets, lab facilities.
595 has returned in past 8 years but how many has gone i personally can count 50 at least?
250.000 who has returned from Europe contains PhD students who have gone for PhD - post-doc- master degree- university.
Number of students who study undergraduate level in Bulgaria is quite high.

In 2002, one kilogram of meat was 7TL something, right now?

in 1923-2002 1 kg cotton has weighted same as 1 kg iron,
in 2020 1 kg cotton weights same as ? kg iron.
Its a Nobel prize worth mathematics question .

 

[Bismarck]

most of them are FETO members


over 253.000 well educated Turks returned to Turkey from Germany only between 2006 and 2012
now Turkey has everything for well educated young people
"" TAVAK vakfı olarak Türkiye'de bir araştırma yaptık. 2006 – 2012 yılları arasında 253 bine yakın iyi eğitim almış Türk Almanya'dan ayrılıp Türkiye'ye yerleşti""

https://www.dw.com/tr/almanyaya-dönen-türklerin-sayısı-artıyor/a-38338076


Turkey's earlier efforts to bring back its academic diaspora ensured the return of more than 595 researchers to Turkey in the past 8 years after they pursued a career abroad ( at the world's top 100 universities )

https://www.dailysabah.com/education/2019/03/30/new-program-brings-turkish-scientists-home



I am saying again

Turkey and Austria had almost same GDP in 2002
but 2019 Turkey had $776 billion of GDP .... Austria had $455 billion

also 2002 9x Turkey = 1 Germany and 2019 5x Turkey = 1 Germany

2002 Turkey $230 billion and Germany : $2.06 trillion
2019 Turkey $766 billion and Germany : $3.89 trillion

even since 2013 Turkey and Turkish economy under attack and Turkish currency dropped by 320%

you can fool only anti Erdogan guys

No doubt, after Ataturk, Erdogan is the most impressed and successful and controversial leader in Turkey. After that, tell us about his failures and mismanagemant. Which things do he wrong?

 

[ANMDT]

most of them are FETO members


over 253.000 well educated Turks returned to Turkey from Germany only between 2006 and 2012
now Turkey has everything for well educated young people
"" TAVAK vakfı olarak Türkiye'de bir araştırma yaptık. 2006 – 2012 yılları arasında 253 bine yakın iyi eğitim almış Türk Almanya'dan ayrılıp Türkiye'ye yerleşti""

https://www.dw.com/tr/almanyaya-dönen-türklerin-sayısı-artıyor/a-38338076


Turkey's earlier efforts to bring back its academic diaspora ensured the return of more than 595 researchers to Turkey in the past 8 years after they pursued a career abroad ( at the world's top 100 universities )

https://www.dailysabah.com/education/2019/03/30/new-program-brings-turkish-scientists-home



I am saying again

Turkey and Austria had almost same GDP in 2002
but 2019 Turkey had $776 billion of GDP .... Austria had $455 billion

also 2002 9x Turkey = 1 Germany and 2019 5x Turkey = 1 Germany

2002 Turkey $230 billion and Germany : $2.06 trillion
2019 Turkey $766 billion and Germany : $3.89 trillion

even since 2013 Turkey and Turkish economy under attack and Turkish currency dropped by 320%

you can fool only anti Erdogan guys

https://www.dw.com/tr/almanyaya-dönen-türklerin-sayısı-artıyor/a-38338076
are you actually aware of what is written on this link?
Number of turkish returning back to Germany is increasing. Turkish citizens who have returned to Turkey, has started to flee back to Germany.

 

[MMM-E]

No doubt, after Ataturk, Erdogan is the most impressed and succesful and controversial leader in Turkey. After that, tell us about his failures and missmanagemantes. Which things do he wrong?

-- Syria policy ( to trust treacherous christian western countries )

RESULT : 4 million refugees in Turkey , to spend around $50 billion and PKK/YPG threat from Syria


-- Israel policy ( why only we Turks fighting against the US+The EU+Israel for Palestine ? )
even Pakistan,Indonesia,Egypt,KSA arent doing anything for Palestine

We lost over $500 billion to support Palestine
and Israel organized the US,France,Germany,Egypt,KSA,The Uae,HAFTAR,PKK/YPG,FETO to fight Turkey

ERDOGAN acting with emotions, not with his mind

https://www.dw.com/tr/almanyaya-dönen-türklerin-sayısı-artıyor/a-38338076
are you actually aware of what is written on this link?
Number of turkish returning back to Germany is increasing. Turkish citizens who have returned to Turkey, has started to flee back to Germany.

its not Erdogan's fault ,
253.000 well educated Turks returned to Turkey from Germany only between 2006 and 2012

but since 2013 Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the US and their terrorists PKK , ISIS , FETO

-- 2013 Gezi Park rebellion
-- 2013 FETO's judical coup attemp
-- 2015 PKK's big rebellion in 22 cities
-- 2015-17 ISIS's 14 major terror attacks in Turkey
-- 2016 FETO's military coup attempt
-- 2017-2018 TRUMP's attack on Turkish Economy

if you are not biased , you should see this reality that the US and their terrorists -traitors turned Turkey into HELL between 2013 and 2019

 

[ANMDT]

-- Syria policy ( to trust treacherous christian western countries )

RESULT : 4 million refugees in Turkey , to spend around $50 billion and PKK/YPG threat from Syria


-- Israel policy ( why only we Turks fighting against the US+The EU+Israel for Palestine ? )
even Pakistan,Indonesia,Egypt,KSA arent doing anything for Palestine

We lost over $500 billion to support Palestine
and Israel organized the US,France,Germany,Egypt,KSA,The Uae,HAFTAR,PKK/YPG,FETO to fight Turkey

ERDOGAN acting with emotions, not with his mind



its not Erdogan's fault ,
253.000 well educated Turks returned to Turkey from Germany only between 2006 and 2012

but since 2013 Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the US and their terrorists PKK , ISIS , FETO

-- 2013 Gezi Park rebellion
-- 2013 FETO's judical coup attemp
-- 2015 PKK's big rebellion in 22 cities
-- 2015-17 ISIS's 14 major terror attacks in Turkey
-- 2016 FETO's military coup attempt
-- 2017-2018 TRUMP's attack on Turkish Economy

if you are not biased , you should see this reality that the US and their terrorists -traitors turned Turkey into HELL between 2013 and 2019

-Gezi parki riots had a valid point people didnt want a mall in a park filled with trees, the only free-green area around taksim, it was erdogan being stubborn to erect a mall and supress people confronting his will with violence has escalated it to level of " government should fall".
Before naming attempts made by feto, kindly list ergenekon and balyoz. How someone helped feto to do these?
How feto has gained positions high in state?
How PKK has rebelled in 22 cities when they were about to be exterminated by generals who were detained with ergenekon and balyoz?
Whom, in first place let those PKK rats to gain positions in cities for sake of " acilim "? They havent grown in fields, they have gained positions, moved into cities, armed. Who has sat on a table and dealed with PKK?
Who has welcomed them in habur?
Who has held hands side by side with PKK supporter barzani?
Who has led top secret files to be stolen - smuggled from cosmic room? - technically unreachable room, filled with top secret files, anti-invasion counter guerilla formations- and caused state secrets to be copied around the world?
Who has guided a public toll in favor of law change, and made feto control almost everything in justice system?
Who has assigned ozel yetkili savci, for sake of taking ergenekon suspects down and making arrests?
Its easy to blame external factors, gotta see the internal reasons why most of events you have listed has happened.
While akp supporters and bureucrats were fancying feto, there were people being criticed of cursing feto before erdogan and fethullah has quarrelled. Anyone who is not biased would see the reality back in 2000s during ergenekon, balyoz, 2010 referandumu, acilim sureci.
The question is rather, could we prevent most of those things from happening? Definitely we could. Its inevitable the external factors will not be ever on our favor, thus we need to work hard and improve.

Genclige hitabeden,100 yil oncesinden ogut:
"Ey Türk gençliği! Birinci vazifen, Türk istiklâlini, Türk Cumhuriyet'ini, ilelebet, muhafaza ve müdafaa etmektir. Mevcudiyetinin ve istikbalinin yegâne temeli budur. Bu temel, senin, en kıymetli hazinendir. İstikbalde dahi, seni bu hazineden mahrum etmek isteyecek, dahilî ve haricî bedhahların olacaktır."

From hundred years ago, Ataturk's oration to the Turkish Youth

"O Turkish Youth! Your first duty is ever to preserve and defend the National independence, the Turkish Republic.
That is the only basis of your existence and your future. This basis contains your most precious treasure. In the future, too, there will be ill-will, both in the country itself and abroad, which will try to tear this treasure from you."

The people had shed blood to save and establish this country ,dozen thousands of officials does not shed sweat nowadays. How do you plan to confront external threats?
You have derailed subject so far it is the end for my part. (Period)(Nokta)

 

[UkroTurk]

ok lets go

Teacher salary
2002 : 635 TL ( $396 )
2017 : 3.858 TL ( $1.015 )


1 kg meat
2002 : 7.90 TL .... 635/7.90 TL = 80 kg
2017 : 30 TL .... 3.858 TL /30 TL = 128 kg

This thread opened to show current modern face of Turkey or flooding anti-republician propagand.
Stop flooding same thing over and over.
Why do you pick 2002 ? In 90ies FETÖ and Akp supporters blocked Turkisk political life. They destroyed Turkish economy using fabricated hidjab issue.
Hero of Cyprus Ecevit tried to save economy which was destroyed by conservative ANAP and Özal.

If you spam here you will get your answers" Türkiye has always been great and modern country. Modern Türkiye was founded by Atatürk and educational revolution continued by Ismet Inonu.
In 1975 after Cyprus peace operation amid Western sanctions great country Turkiye doing well!
In 1975 Turkiye was the 17th largest economy in the world.
After 50 years Erdogan brought Turkish economy down to 19th -20th place.

Buildings constructed by debts are burden on poor Turkish citizens.
I dont use expensive bridges which pass costs 30usd .

For the Alamancı Turks thanks to our crap currency I agree on the healthcare, but does this looks good to you?

Mayor of Istanbul warns" in big cities we have to fight against poverty"


Some people from Moderation deleted my great economical chart Which shows in 1975 the place of Turkey.

From first page to here, he has been allowed flooding and spreading false information as well as insulting second president of Turkiye (ww1veteran) insulting posts still here existing but my chart was deleted.interesting.

 

[MMM-E]

Is this school not from Turkey? Are all the schools in Turkey are clean and neat like the ones you show? Are there no problems.

Don't accuse me of stuff, readers can decide who is bending the reality.

I am saying again you are showing a school from a small village with only 35 students
and you are trying to show all schools in Turkey as like similar to this one in Village

almost all schools in Cities and Towns are modern and clean

and 432.315 of 679.000 Classrooms have smart board for modern education and high speed INTERNET ... one of the best in the world

but there is no gas in Villages and before Erdogan there was no even school in the most of Villages
thanks to Erdogan that the number of Schools has risen to 65.897 from 43.696 between 2002 and 2017

1923-2002 ( 79 years ) : 43.696 Schools
2002-2017 ( 15 years ) : 22.201 Schools

 

[UkroTurk]

 

[-SINAN-]

am saying again you are showing a school from a small village with only 35 students
and you are trying to show all schools in Turkey as like similar to this one in Village

almost all schools in Cities and Towns are modern and clean

Oh, i get you since you don't live in Turkey you think that all the school are like the ones you posted.

And no, they are not..It might be only %5.

Do you want me to start..

This is Ankara/Çankaya/ Anıttepe Orta Okulu.

Although the building itself is not very important in education here is your modern and new.

and 432.315 of 679.000 Classrooms have smart board for modern education and high speed INTERNET ... one of the best in the world

Don't believe in those numbes, utter lies.

Forget these fancy bords, they are not even giving board markers to teachers.

but there is no gas in Villages and before Erdogan there was no even school in the most of Villages
thanks to Erdogan that the number of Schools has risen to 65.897 from 43.696 between 2002 and 2017

1923-2002 ( 79 years ) : 43.696 Schools
2002-2017 ( 15 years ) : 22.201 Schools

When will you understand that School numbers are not important in education...

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If you guys want to discuss Ataturk, kindly open a separate thread.

Thread here is about Erdogan's vision of modern turkey and we will discuss that. I hope @MMM-E will not bring in anything else than this in his thread

1923-2002 ( 79 years ) : 43.696 Schools

@Foxtrot Alpha

Now, you said we will discuss about Erdogan era but this guy insists on bringing Ataturk Era on to the table, and implying things by comparing them to Erdogan Era....Now, i can very well answer this guy, but then discussion gets real heated and topic goes off-rail. But we as Turkish users of this forum, won't stay idle while this guy, implying things on the early Republican/Ataturk era.

What do you advice?

 

[ANMDT]

Villages and before Erdogan there was no even school in the most of Villages

Stop talking on subjects you don't actually know.
Most of schools in villages are closed, MEB visions "taşımalı eğitim" strongly after 2000s, carrying students to the towns-cities (or to bucak) if possible.
at least 20% of the population lives in rural area. Most of villages still doesn't have gas. It is not economically practical to deliver gas to the villages.
The effects of transported education is still being evaluated in terms of sociology.

 

[UkroTurk]

The youth research shows resultats against your claimsö
Young supporters of AKP and MHP appears to want to live abroad!
https://www.birgun.net/amp/haber/ge...i-gencler-de-yurtdisina-gitmek-istiyor-301526


Survey made by SODEV has revealed the longing for freedom and justice youth in Turkey. While most young people see the solution in abroad, almost half of young AKP supporter and 68 percent of MHP'syoung people want to leave from Turkey.

 

[Amaa'n]

@Foxtrot Alpha

Now, you said we will discuss about Erdogan era but this guy insists on bringing Ataturk Era on to the table, and implying things by comparing them to Erdogan Era....Now, i can very well answer this guy, but then discussion gets real heated and topic goes off-rail. But we as Turkish users of this forum, won't stay idle while this guy, implying things on the early Republican/Ataturk era.

What do you advice?

warning is already issued to him by Senior Mod over this violation

Since you guys failed to behave, Thread is locked till further notice

 

[Arsalan]

Despite repeated warnings by moderation team the thread looks nothing like what we should have on a debate and discussion website. This is not your personal Facebook page where you can post whatever pleases you. Thread will be kept locked, it will be cleaned, posts to be deleted and warnings to be issued. Once the moderation is done we may open the thread.