Erdogan says Saudi Arabia has requested to purchase armed drones from Turkey

[MMM-E]

The difference here is that China developed the engines with Ukraine, i.e., it owns the IP to those engines and can produce them independently. Turkey, on the other hand, purchases engines from Ukraine - it neither owns the IP nor can it produce them independently.

I am saying again İranian and Chinese guys are so ignorant and dont know nothing about Turkey



Turkish Baykar ( 51% ) established a joint motor company called Blacksea Shield with Ukranian Ivchenko Progress (49% ) ... With this partnership, for the first time in the history of Ukraine, a state defense firm has partnered with a company abroad

-- Ivchenko-Progress Motor Sich AI-450T turboprop engine for Baykar AKINCI UCAV
-- Ivchenko-Progress Motor Sich AI-25TLT turbofan engine for Baykar MIUS UCAV


A new 750 hp turboprop engine will be developed, manufactured and installed on the 450 hp AI-450T engine. for AKINCI UCAVs in Turkey

 

[MMM-E]

Well, we'd compare the WLII to a Turkish MALE UCAV... but it doesn't have any. The TB2 you can't stop bragging about is comparable to the CH-3, and China has long since moved past that design. I can't compare an actual weapons system in production to aspirational projects. We can resume this conversation once Turkey produces its own MALE drone - note the verb "produces", not "assembles."

no compare with low quality flying shit Chinese UCAVs which can not operate in high altitude
and no any success in combat area


now Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 is the best performing UCAV in the World which destroyed Russian Air Defense Systems , hundreds of Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , thousands of troops in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan

Bayraktar TB-2 has great technology even against Electronic Warfare attacks


note the verb "produces", not "copycat."




Baykar AKINCI UCAV .... ( one of the best in the world )

Turkish AKINCI UCAVs will be enough to wipe out enemy Navy , Air Defense Systems , Attack Helicopters , Tanks , Howitzers , etc

thanks to Turkish Defense Industry to arm AKINCI UCAVs with

-- 280 km SOM-C anti ship missile to hit even moving Warships
-- 280 km SOM-B network enabled Cruise Missiles to hit Air Defense Systems like S300VM
-- 100 km KUZGUN joint attack Bomb with IIR or MMW Radar seeker to hit mobile Air Defense Systems like PANTSIR, TOR-M2 and BUK
-- 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 65 km GOKDOGAN air to air missile to hit Attack Helicopters or UCAVs
-- 8 km UMTAS anti Tank Missile with top attack capability to destroy Tanks

Length : 12,3 m
Height : 4,1 m
Wingspan : 20 m
MTOW : 4.500-5.000 kg
Payload : 1300-1500 kg
Endurance : 24 hours
Service ceiling : 40.000 feet

-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers

AKINCI UCAV will be able to collect information by recording the data received from sensors and cameras on the UCAV through artificial intelligence computers

This artificial intelligence system that can detect the angle of tilting, standing and heading of the UCAV without the need for any external sensor or GPS

It will also provide environmental awareness using geographic information and advanced artificial intelligence system will have decision making feature by processing the data it obtains

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

no compare with low quality flying shit Chinese UCAVs which can not operate in high altitude
and no any success in combat area


now Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 is the best performing UCAV in the World which destroyed Russian Air Defense Systems , hundreds of Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , thousands of troops in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan

note the verb "produces", not "copycat."

I see that any further engagement with you is quite useless. By the way, when even the dummies at the BBC know the vast difference in capabilities between the TB2 and WLII, everybody and their uncle does. You're not fooling anybody.

If you want to know how effective the WLII is, ask your boys in Libya about that.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

You know, all this talk about drones leads to an interesting question: Just whose satellites is Turkey using to run its drones? The US uses GPS, China uses BeiDou, Russia uses GLONASS, etc. So whose signal is Turkey using and what if whoever owns that signal decides to expel Turkey from it?

 

[MMM-E]

a country with its R&D funding less than our single company.
I don't wanna do this but this seems to be the only language that you can comprehend.
Don't forget to pay our interest on time.
Don't forget to mentioned that you got full Totally from us on your ballistic missile and MRLS.

China should pay even $100 billion to Turkey-Kazakstan-Azerbaijan for OBOR project .......... without Turkey-Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan , China's OBOR project is nothing ... China will earn $trillion dollars with OBOR project


btw China should say thanks to Turkey who allowed China to get Aircraft Carrier from Ukraine
enjoy with your copycat China

I see that any further engagement with you is quite useless. By the way, when even the dummies at the BBC know the vast difference in capabilities between the TB2 and WLII, everybody and their uncle does. You're not fooling anybody.

only watch and dont cry

If you want to know how effective Bayraktar TB2 is, ask your loser boys in Syria , Libya and Armenia about that.

 

[MMM-E]

You know, all this talk about drones leads to an interesting question: Just whose satellites is Turkey using to run its drones? The US uses GPS, China uses BeiDou, Russia uses GLONASS, etc. So whose signal is Turkey using and what if whoever owns that signal decides to expel Turkey from it?

Thanks to great Turkish technology


AKINCI UCAV with 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers

AKINCI UCAV will be able to collect information by recording the data received from sensors and cameras on the UCAV through artificial intelligence computers

This artificial intelligence system that can detect the angle of tilting, standing and heading of the UCAV without the need for any external sensor or GPS

It will also provide environmental awareness using geographic information and advanced artificial intelligence system will have decision making feature by processing the data it obtains







btw Turkey develops its own Regional Positioning and Timing System with 6 Satellites

The aim of the project is to provide positioning and timing information which Turkish Armed Forces need during peace, crisis and military operations, independently from the existing foreign systems which can be disabled in times of conflict

 

[IblinI]

China will earn $trillion dollars with OBOR project

Thanks for your kind words, for once I agreed with you but still you have to pay the interest on time when you came to us for the loan.

 

[MMM-E]

Thanks for your kind words, for once I agreed with you but still you have to pay the interest on time when you came to us for the loan.

China can not earn $trillion dollars from OBOR project without Turkey-Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan
so you have to pay more money to Turkey-Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan , if you want to earn $trillion dollars from OBOR project



the loan from The EU : over $200 bil
what about from China ? $4 or 5 bil ?

Turkey spent even $45 bil for Syrian refugees

 

[IblinI]

China can not earn $trillion dollars from OBOR project without Turkey-Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan
so you have to pay more money to Turkey-Kazakhstan-Azerbaijan , if you want to earn $trillion dollars from OBOR project



the loan from The EU : over $200 bil
what about from China ? $4 or 5 bil ?

Turkey spent even $45 bil for Syrian refugees

"We have to?", are you the decision maker of turkey? Your words mean nada, bs.
But you have to pay us interest, and that is all written down on official paper when we given you the loan.
Understand, little fella?

 

[Oublious]

Oh, have you? You might want to let the guys in this thread

Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

Looking at the comparative data, you would understand why Pakistan still prefer to wait for Turkey to deliver it's promise on engine development. T-129 which is derived from A-129 has beefed up with different engine of 2X the original engine power on A-129. The climb rate of T129 is only...

defence.pk

know about it, because they're carrying on like you haven't delivered their helicopters. You might also want to let the Pakistani military and media know as well, because they also seem to think you haven't either

Pakistan extends delayed T129 helo deal with Turkey — again

A diplomatic row between the United States and Turkey is continuing to jeopardize a planned procurement by Pakistan.

www.defensenews.com

Once again, the facts say otherwise. Turkey is selling 46 UAVs for $199.5 million, that's $4.34 million per unit. China is selling 300 WLII drones for $10 billion, that's $33.33 million per unit. The Chinese drones are nearly 8x more expensive.

You're talking history here. Yes, in the 90s China and Ukraine co-developed engines, for example the GT-25000 which powers the Type 055 cruisers. The difference here is that China developed the engines with Ukraine, i.e., it owns the IP to those engines and can produce them independently. Turkey, on the other hand, purchases engines from Ukraine - it neither owns the IP nor can it produce them independently.

And that was in the past, now China's industrial sophistication and technological prowess are vastly improved from what they were decades ago. Chinese companies being barred from acquiring Motor Sich is a minor irritant - the only engine China still uses from them is for a trainer jet; hardly the bleeding edge. If Turkey were to come under similar pressure, that would deal a mortal wound to its fledgling arms manufacturing industry.

Look, you're a parts assembler, there's no shame in admitting that. You gather parts from various Western companies, piece them together with Western technical assistance, put your label on the final product and try to pass it off as your own. If some people fall for that and think you're a major supplier with indigenous capacity, hey, caveat emptor. I don't hate on the hustle, but don't try to pull a fast one on me or anyone else who knows better.

If you have aspirations of playing in the big leagues, you've got a long road ahead of you.

bla bla bla, irrelevant i am talking about drone.....

 

[IblinI]

bla bla bla, irrelevant i am talking about drone.....

Sure, showed me a single Turkish HALE drone which currently serving in Turkish armed forces that fly at the heights above 25km.
Showed us a single flywing stealth drone.
Showed us a single near space high speed recon drone like our WZ-8.
They all represents the tip of pyramid among drone tech.

 

[Oublious]

Sure, showed me a single Turkish HALE drone which currently serving in Turkish armed forces that fly at the heights above 25km.
Showed us a single flywing stealth drone.
Showed us a single near space high speed recon drone like our WZ-8.
They all represents the tip of pyramid among drone tech.

Nobody gives a fak, your drone can go to mars or pluto and come back.


Fact is your drone doesn't work proper....


If they could split a atom stil doesn't work good in a war....


what a mess you people are...

 

[IblinI]

Nobody gives a fak, your drone can go to mars or pluto and come back.


Fact is your drone doesn't work proper....


If they could split a atom stil doesn't work good in a war....


what a mess you people are...

OK, the answers is pretty clear, which you have none,and one thing you are right though, you are nobody for sure,bye.

 

[Hack-Hook]

P destroyed Russian weapons in Idlib band am thousands of SAA , IRGC , HEZBOLAH militias

Show irgc personel you killed. And i showed a system . show me how those drone will counter it.

Big talks like Russians....
@LeGenD

Ask uncle Sam they felt its sting

Turkish UCAVS Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI are ready to destroy all enemy military targets


Turkish AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs can destroy all İranian Air Defense Systems


KUZGUN joint strike ammunition to hit even moving targets

• Modular Warhead (Fragmantation, Termobaric, General Purpose, Armour Piercing)
• GPS, INS Guidance
• Low operation cost due to modular warhead option
• Independent Guidance Options (INS , LAB, A-INS , IR seeker ,Data Link, mmW Radar)
• Weight : 100 kg
• Warhead : 25-60 kg
• Range : 74-110 km
• View attachment 726083

TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missile

Weight : 210 kg
Warhead : 50 kg
Range : 70 km
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SOM Air launched Cruise Missile

Warhead : 230 kg
Range : 280 km
Guidance : INS+GPS+TRN+IBN+ATR+DL
Seeker : IIR
Speed : 0.94 mach

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also Turkey can sell KARGI anti radiation Drone to KSA to destroy even İranian S300 Air Defense Systems

Turkish - İsraeli Drones destroyed 6 of Armenian S300 Air Defense Systems



1.500-2.000 km Turkish KARGI anti radiation Drone

Atmaca Flir for KARGI anti radiation Drone
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TEI PG-50 Engine for KARGI anti radiation Drone
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And again you failed to answer how those system will engage a guy eqipped with a system the size of a manpad. That have that can cover up to 100km and is fire and forget.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Turkish UCAV war doctrine changed the game in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan

strangely in syria your palls were on retreat even to the last day of the conflict