Erdogan: “Israel Most Fascist, Racist Country”

[Avicenna]

Bangladesh may well be a close second

Go hug a saguaro

 

[El Sidd]

Go hug a saguaro

I dont know why an American would know that word but is it Not True that Bangladesh actually is a racist fascist country?

Apart from one ethinicity. Everyone Else has to live in confined camps which may be concentration camps and solutions such as those not seen since gobels?

I am Sorry but i am just making an opinion. Please dont give death threats like the bangladeshis.

 

[Super Falcon]

Erdogans showed ur fubded terrorist if needed it will bite u in syrian conflict

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

Then why does Turkey recognise Israel? Bloody hypocrite nation.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Then why does Turkey recognise Israel? Bloody hypocrite nation.

Because by making such hypocritical and pathetic statements like the populist Erdogan is doing frequently (meanwhile doing business with Israel openly and sometimes under the table) he hopes that hordes of Muslim and Arab Islamists worldwide will fall for his populism/acting and suddenly consider NATO member, secular, economically dependent on the West, Turkey as some kind of "Leader of the Ummah". This gives Turkey soft "influence" in Muslim nations that otherwise have no linguistic, cultural, historical ties with them or very little.

That is why, despite the state ideology being Kemalism, Turkey is also playing on its Islamic past, despite those two ideologies being extremely contradictory which also explains the sharp division in Turkish society between mostly secularists (Kemalists and people wanting to have closer ties to Europe, the same Europe that most likely will never adopt Turkey as one of its own, evidenced by the EU negotiations that have lasted what, 40 years, and with no result), and more traditional Islamist orientated Turks from mostly Anatolia, Northeastern and Eastern and Southern Turkey who want another direction for Turkey. Both groups of Turks are found in PDF and they are often arguing. The latter group for example often have fantasies about Iraq and Syria (wanting to annex land there) while crying about Uighur's in China.

In the real world such tactics do not work and every educated person, whether Muslim or not, can easily see this for what it is.

The best example is when the Arabic version Twitter accounts of official Turkish government pages are trying to spin Turkey's dealings (public) with Israel by telling half-truths or outright lying in Arabic (aimed at Arabic viewers and readers). This on the other hand leads to great ridicule among the educated lot in the Arab world (vast majority of Arabs) and have just the opposite effect of the desired one. I know (from online forums) Pan-Muslim/Islamist Arabs who when exposed to this, woke up from their sleep. Palestinians included.

Having said that, the Arab world and Turkey are neighbors and will continue to have ties with each other, in particular economic ties and despite disagreements here and there, there won't be any wars or great enmity or anything remotely similar. That's important to point out.

However the likes of Erdogan (populists in general) are dangerous and Turkey would do better with an actual nationalistic leader (I believe) but the Turks prefer Erdogan so here they have him almost 20 years running. Their choice after all and I am not meddling or interested in internal Turkish issues (not my business after all) but only how Turkish regimes (this time around Erdogan) act towards Arab states.

On PDF most Pakistanis that are commenting are oblivious to this reality that I described outside of a few who are not. You are obviously among those Pakistanis.

A good example of what I am talking about can be seen in this thread below. I suggest reading it one day.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/uae-and-qatar-officially-join-the-us-war-in-afghanistan.569548/

As you can see the hypocrites that I confronted directly were left speechless.

True Muslim leader.

The Mughal descendent and Arab, Persian and Turkic descendant (LOL) obviously appeared in this thread.



Good sheep. Do a bit more licking.

 

[Timur]

the elections are over I dont know why he does not stop sometimes you cannot make domestic polöitics with such statements.. you are providing them yourself as a target.. better keep calm and rise..

Ok,China is pathetic

You can keep immersed in self-indulgence
Turkey,Funny nation

I think you are not CHINESE! a chinese would never say such easy that china is pathetic!

Yeah it takes one to know one.

that chimpansky can say what he wants..

recognise Israel

maybebecause of arabs (75%) ? after ottoman empire we had seen some ground realities so there was some movement away from them.. think of your attachment to china because of India and US this are some realities some ppl are not aware of..

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Because by making such hypocritical and pathetic statements like the populist Erdogan is doing frequently (meanwhile doing business with Israel openly and sometimes under the table) he hopes that hordes of Muslim and Arab Islamists worldwide will fall for his populism/acting and suddenly consider NATO member, secular, economically dependent on the West, Turkey as some kind of "Leader of the Ummah". This gives Turkey soft "influence" in Muslim nations that otherwise have no linguistic, cultural, historical ties with them or very little.

That is why, despite the state ideology being Kemalism, Turkey is also playing on its Islamic past, despite those two ideologies being extremely contradictory which also explains the sharp division in Turkish society between mostly secularists (Kemalists and people wanting to have closer ties to Europe, the same Europe that most likely will never adopt Turkey as one of its own, evidenced by the EU negotiations that have lasted what, 40 years, and with no result), and more traditional Islamist orientated Turks from mostly Anatolia, Northeastern and Eastern and Southern Turkey who want another direction for Turkey. Both groups of Turks are found in PDF and they are often arguing. The latter group for example often have fantasies about Iraq and Syria (wanting to annex land there) while crying about Uighur's in China.

In the real world such tactics do not work and every educated person, whether Muslim or not, can easily see this for what it is.

The best example is when the Arabic version Twitter accounts of official Turkish government pages are trying to spin Turkey's dealings (public) with Israel by telling half-truths or outright lying in Arabic (aimed at Arabic viewers and readers). This on the other hand leads to great ridicule among the educated lot in the Arab world (vast majority of Arabs) and have just the opposite effect of the desired one. I know (from online forums) Pan-Muslim/Islamist Arabs who when exposed to this, woke up from their sleep. Palestinians included.

Having said that, the Arab world and Turkey are neighbors and will continue to have ties with each other, in particular economic ties and despite disagreements here and there, there won't be any wars or great enmity or anything remotely similar. That's important to point out.

However the likes of Erdogan (populists in general) are dangerous and Turkey would do better with an actual nationalistic leader (I believe) but the Turks prefer Erdogan so here they have him almost 20 years running. Their choice after all and I am not meddling or interested in internal Turkish issues (not my business after all) but only how Turkish regimes (this time around Erdogan) act towards Arab states.

On PDF most Pakistanis that are commenting are oblivious to this reality that I described outside of a few who are not. You are obviously among those Pakistanis.

A good example of what I am talking about can be seen in this thread below. I suggest reading it one day.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/uae-and-qatar-officially-join-the-us-war-in-afghanistan.569548/

As you can see the hypocrites that I confronted directly were left speechless.



The Mughal descendent and Arab, Persian and Turkic descendant (LOL) obviously appeared in this thread.



Good sheep. Do a bit more licking.

There is no time to correct each one of your claims based on google search list, thanks to the manipulative articles and their writers, Which lead many contradictions in your own post, as a side effect of those manipulative articles, or some bullets for the bias you've built. So, a few posts' counter answers of yours in a possible discussion do not draw any interests for me, quite the opposite if you be the writer of those articles.

Ummah is not a dream in essence of the Islam; Democracy means different opinions for common benefits; Turks have grown bilateral ties in a large geopraphy of the world, nations and cultures/religions for centuries.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yeah it takes one to know one.

I respected Chomsky, and did not know he was a puppet to anti-Turkey groups.

Every Kurd I’ve met has always seen him/herself as a Turk or close to Turkey, regardless of the country.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

There is no time to correct each one of your claims based on google search list, thanks to the manipulative articles and their writers, Which lead many contradictions in your own post, as a side effect of those manipulative articles, or some bullets for the bias you've built. So, a few posts' counter answers of yours in a possible discussion do not draw any interests for me, quite the opposite if you be the writer of those articles.

Ummah is not a dream in essence of the Islam; Democracy means different opinions for common benefits; Turks have grown bilateral ties in a large geopraphy of the world, nations and cultures/religions for centuries.

I am afraid that I don't have any inherent biases other than witnessing first hand and as a viewer what populists in the region and "Islamists" have been doing to the region and their (largely) empty rhetoric.

You are welcome to counter my arguments and prove me wrong.

Arabs have done the same, even much more, and a bigger geography for much longer as well. That's not what I was opposing or talking about.

"Ummah" as imagined by modern-day Islamists is a pipe dream and a waste of time. Nation states by default (due to their nature) will never give a crap about this Ummah when it matters. We see tons of examples of this on a weekly basis.

Ummah is a spiritual sentiment that the ordinary Muslim MAY feel with fellow Muslims that do not share his ethnicity, language, culture, history etc. but that is not always the case to begin with. It's often "feel good" rhetoric. However how many Muslims are genuinely followers of this "Ummah spiritual" vision? If they were that, they would not give a crap about temporary modern-day entities and borders. They would care just as much about Muslims in Chad as Muslims in Xinjiang or Muslims in Palestine. Pakistanis care more about people in Kashmir, Turks about people in Xinjiang, Arabs about Palestinians, Bangladeshis about Muslims in Burma and the list continues.

I have nothing against cordial Muslim to Muslim relations but this "Ummah" lie that most Ummah followers expose, I have seen this sentiment exposed online and in person too many times to truly believe it as of today at least. There are exceptions as usual but they are rare.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ummah is not a dream in essence of the Islam; Democracy means different opinions for common benefits; Turks have grown bilateral ties in a large geopraphy of the world, nations and cultures/religions for centuries.

Turkey’s foreign relations approach is an inspiration to all of us. Pakistan’s new government can learn a lot by the trend set by Erdogan.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

...
maybebecause of arabs (75%) ? after ottoman empire we had seen some ground realities so there was some movement away from them.. think of your attachment to china because of India and US this are some realities some ppl are not aware of..

You are comparing China with Israel? What are you, stupid?

Has China invaded ad annexed Palestine?

 

[Beny Karachun]

 

[dani191]

he is good at talking lets see him atack us militery wi will wipe turkey from the map

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Then why does Turkey recognise Israel? Bloody hypocrite nation.

STFU dog, Russia and China have killed more Muslims then Israel yet you Arabs and Pakistanis are best friends with them.

he is good at talking lets see him atack us militery wi will wipe turkey from the map

Keep barking, you barked a lot during the Afrin operation to lol your pawns couldn't take over Ankara lol.

 

[Timur]

he is good at talking lets see him atack us militery wi will wipe turkey from the map

Haha in your wet dreams boy.

Really many Muslim nations should have nukes.. Nukes in the hand of this kuffar are really bad they are the most dangerous ppl on earth while they point their fingers towards others