Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago.

[xenon54 out]

Turkey should take the lead in fighting Femicide which prevails in many Muslim countries. Turkey should allow its women to marry Non-Muslims like how Tunisia is liberalizing its society by lifting ban.

Dude such a ban never existed in Turkey in the first place.

 

[Sh@msu]

Turkey should take the lead in fighting Femicide which prevails in many Muslim countries. Turkey should allow its women to marry Non-Muslims like how Tunisia is liberalizing its society by lifting ban.

A recent 2015 poll by Metropoll found that over 80% of Turkish people supported the continuation of Turkey as a secular state, with even the majority of AKP voters supporting a secular state. Furthermore, according to a 2016 Pew Research Center Report, only 13% of all Turks believe laws should "strictly follow the teachings of the Qur'an."
Religious liberalization will help solve issues with Kurds & other smaller sects. Yazdânism & all other ancient cultures needs to be researched & preserved

I may not have much knowledge of Turkey neither am I worried or concerned of your internal affairs, I just thought to share my personal view. You will see in our discussions here or anywhere, we will hardly bring Turkey in our discussions or show hatred even if it's a religious discussion. Reason because we have a progressive & secular image of Turkey

well why not?Bbut of course they need to convert

Either way i am hoping there will be no trouble for us,non-hindu man(specially muslim man) to marry hindu woman.
As a way of life(hinduism) i think the hindu woman we will marry from your part will not be required any purification process?

And as a shining example of democracy, We will hope India will not ban beef, and of course will not celebrate any holi or other drum buzzing stuff that is not suitable for public health.
We also propose to abolish any kind of vedic teaching as we know it is nothing but bs,but let's not get into that as we are talking about country.

We also hope hinduism will be eased enough to liberate hindu woman more to marry outside caste and religion.

I assure you i have nothing against india and hinduism,i am just sharing my personal views in light of hindu people's behavior.

 

[Sh@msu]

well i am getting a hibijibi about the title,please forgive me as i do not know turkish.
So i applied google translate.

The title says "
Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago. "

The translation says "
President Erdogan said, "We do not take marginalies into consideration in this matter, and there are people who appear as clergymen who have very different statements about women and who have absolutely no place in our religion.

President Erdogan emphasized the necessity of the update of Islam, "You can not implement Islam today with the provisions of 14 centuries ago. he said."

 

[LuCiFeR_DeCoY]

Arabs should be updated not Islam.

Turkey should take the lead in fighting Femicide which prevails in many Muslim countries. Turkey should allow its women to marry Non-Muslims like how Tunisia is liberalizing its society by lifting ban.

A recent 2015 poll by Metropoll found that over 80% of Turkish people supported the continuation of Turkey as a secular state, with even the majority of AKP voters supporting a secular state. Furthermore, according to a 2016 Pew Research Center Report, only 13% of all Turks believe laws should "strictly follow the teachings of the Qur'an."
Religious liberalization will help solve issues with Kurds & other smaller sects. Yazdânism & all other ancient cultures needs to be researched & preserved

I may not have much knowledge of Turkey neither am I worried or concerned of your internal affairs, I just thought to share my personal view. You will see in our discussions here or anywhere, we will hardly bring Turkey in our discussions or show hatred even if it's a religious discussion. Reason because we have a progressive & secular image of Turkey

Hindu women are most deprived and discriminated among all religions. Hindu women suffer cruel customs like Sati(Widow Burning), Dowry and many others.
In the modern era, rape is the most popular sport among Indian men.

 

[Sh@msu]

Advice from the rape capital of the world.

Actually not advice,the problem is hindus feeling they are in competition with us and feeling very in secure.So they cheer for every decision that goes against us.

But there is a catch,their vedic teaching did not give much of insight to them.

Even if we allow it(the inter religion marriage as he suggested) there is less than 5% woman of entire muslim population who will go for that because of race diversity muslim has,Muslims are black,white,south asian,east asian,middle easterns,latinas.pretty much cover every race,the chance of going for other boy is very small.
We can let go off this problem and solve this overnight,but we are standing against it only becuase of our religion. Not becuase of number.

But in case of hindus it is very different,their woman frequently want to go outside caste and religion and because hindus have to do face saving saying "hinduism is way of life" they have been trapped and trying to take solace from these.

But tbh, it will harm them most if they try to take competition with us.Because so called modernism has already destroyed hinduism.I have met several hindus both here in BD and in India,i was surprised when they said they are "hindu atheist".Hinduism is still existing only because people really do not practice it.

About the marriage i can say about my own country, there is a tsunami of inter-religious marriage happening.
BUT not in real context becuase almost all of them result in conversion.
My own cousin sister married a hindu guy who converted to Islam,now he goes to friday prayer regularly.
Before that two of my own cousin brother(from maternal side) and one of their friends married hindu girl who were their classmates from chittagong university,all of them converted to husband's religion.

I tell you,these hindu girls are so stylish and broad minded now a days,they just can't stand by side of their own boys. And there is a huge amount here in BD where hindu girls are dating and marrying non-hindu guys.

 

[Well.wisher]

No dude , islam doesn't need to change . There should be no any change in islamic teachings ... but yes , we need to have strict controls on those who interpret it .

 

[xenon54 out]

well i am getting a hibijibi about the title,please forgive me as i do not know turkish.
So i applied google translate.

The title says "
Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago. "

The translation says "
President Erdogan said, "We do not take marginalies into consideration in this matter, and there are people who appear as clergymen who have very different statements about women and who have absolutely no place in our religion.

President Erdogan emphasized the necessity of the update of Islam, "You can not implement Islam today with the provisions of 14 centuries ago. he said."

Here is the English translation.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/erdo...s-on-diyanet-to-take-more-active-role.547836/

 

[Sh@msu]

Here is the English translation.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/erdo...s-on-diyanet-to-take-more-active-role.547836/

thanks brah

 

[SouI]

well i am getting a hibijibi about the title,please forgive me as i do not know turkish.
So i applied google translate.

The title says "
Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago. "

The translation says "
President Erdogan said, "We do not take marginalies into consideration in this matter, and there are people who appear as clergymen who have very different statements about women and who have absolutely no place in our religion.

President Erdogan emphasized the necessity of the update of Islam, "You can not implement Islam today with the provisions of 14 centuries ago. he said."

He says this about the update part: İslam'ın güncellenmesinin gerektiğini bilmeyecek kadar da aciz bunlar.

The direct translation of the direct quote about islam needing to be updatedgoes like this:"They (traditionalist muslim clerics) are too pathetic to know that Islam needs to be updated".

So he said that islam needs to be updated.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

liberalizing its society by lifting ban.

What is with Indians and your obsession with Tunisia? Just so you know, Tunisian women are heavily discouraged both in society by other Tunisian females and from their families from marrying outside their religion. Just because it's legal, doesn't mean that it's going to start happening.

Tunisia is still heavily conservative which I admit is a problem but just because the government gets rid of a ban doesn't mean that Tunisia is magically over night turned into a liberal Secular democracy.

 

[Sh@msu]

What is with Indians and your obsession with Tunisia? Just so you know, Tunisian women are heavily discouraged both in society by other Tunisian females and from their families from marrying outside their religion. Just because it's legal, doesn't mean that it's going to start happening.

Tunisia is still heavily conservative which I admit is a problem but just because the government gets rid of a ban doesn't mean that Tunisia is magically over night turned into a liberal Secular democracy.

He is an indian hindu,trying to protect hindu girls from "love-jihad",apparently not being very successful

 

[Zee-shaun]

Great move, I fully support it.

 

[Sh@msu]

He says this about the update part: İslam'ın güncellenmesinin gerektiğini bilmeyecek kadar da aciz bunlar.

The direct translation of the direct quote about islam needing to be updatedgoes like this:"They (traditionalist muslim clerics) are too pathetic to know that Islam needs to be updated".

So he said that islam needs to be updated.

ya,Xenon54 has cleared that to me, i ask for forgiveness,my intention was not to degrade your post , i have no idea about turkish language,so i took first paragraph only as it is huge and applied google translation,sorry for that

 

[Nalini]

Advice from the rape capital of the world.

When you people can't debate you bring your usual ways of badmouthing & bringing in other things to target the debate. Go look at rapes in your country & from your community across the world. It will be no where comparable to Indian rapes.

Irrespective of how powerful or influential a man is, if the case is proven they are punished in India & the girl will get justice. Our country girls have the guts to report a rape. They don't have to worry about humiliation & nobody will marry her being a rape victim. Most men will not have a issue to marry a girl who was raped. You can't imagine that in Pakistan.

well why not?Bbut of course they need to convert

Either way i am hoping there will be no trouble for us,non-hindu man(specially muslim man) to marry hindu woman.

As a way of life(hinduism) i think the hindu woman we will marry from your part will not be required any purification process?

And as a shining example of democracy, We will hope India will not ban beef, and of course will not celebrate any holi or other drum buzzing stuff that is not suitable for public health.

We also propose to abolish any kind of vedic teaching as we know it is nothing but bs,but let's not get into that as we are talking about country.

We also hope hinduism will be eased enough to liberate hindu woman more to marry outside caste and religion.

I assure you i have nothing against india and hinduism,i am just sharing my personal views in light of hindu people's behavior.

I was talking about Turkey & all the Turks were decent enough to answer in a civil & cultured manner. Pakistanis & Bangladeshis can’t control their usual behaviour - showing their ill-mannered & un-cultured eruption. Pure hate mongers.

More than eating beef, it’s the way these animals are inhumanely handled, brutally transported & cruelly butchered, which enrages the Hindus. Cow has sacred & sentimental significance in Hindu culture, so when they see this holy animal ill treated & mercilessly butchered, of course some dutiful Hindus will be offended. I am a Hindu & I have no issues with anybody eating beef. And for your kind information there are many Hindus who eat beef in India.

And what’s your problem with Holi. It’s celebrated by Hindus. Many foreigners celebrate Holi along with us. Are they fools to come to India just to play Holi. We don’t force Muslims to celebrate it, but most of them just celebrate it. Infact some Muslim areas they celebrate it more than Hindus. Ask the Muslims of India, If I am wrong & give your advice to them about Health not us.

Nobody has any problem with Hindus, Hindu religion or it’s teachings in the world. Hindus has been the most tolerant religion of all the religions in history. The only other is Buddhism. That’s reason India accepted every culture & every people from every part of the world with open arms who came to India.

Even today we have Tibetans, Afghans, Parsis, Jews, & people of every origin living in Indian be it Africans, Chinese, Arabs, Greeks, Tai, Burmese, Portuguese, French, English & other European origin people happily living in the country for ages including Turkish. None of them will talk of oppression or ill-treatment from Hindus for their practices or beliefs.

Leave alone other parts of the world, In the Middle East, many Gulf countries have put a ban on Bangladeshis & Pakistanis, not Indians. You should ask Why or go search why? It should tell about your countrymen.

Indians are generally viewed as peaceful, humble, dedicated/professional workers & comparatively far intelligent to others. Many Arabs prefer Indian workers to any other nationality as they do the jobs with efficiency and honesty. Educated Arabs tend to view India as a great country with amazing contributions to humanity.

Bangladeshis who work in Gulf are mostly road sweepers, drivers and construction workers. Most people accuse them of theft and don't trust them, as they are disloyal. An average Turk won't even know of a country called BD. I know you won’t agree. Ask me for proof & I can provide or best do your own research. Truth will be bitter.

Indians are across the world far more than Pakistanis & Bangladeshis in numbers in most countries. But can you show me a Hindu terrorist caught anywhere in the world. I can give proof of many many Bangladeshis or Pakistanis. You will find your people having trouble with the law & accepting culture not us. What does it tell about Hindus. Now stop your same crap of our internal matters & take care of Rohingyas & Myanmaar

 

[Sh@msu]

When you people can't debate you bring your usual ways of badmouthing & bringing in other things to target the debate. Go look at rapes in your country & from your community across the world. It will be no where comparable to Indian rapes. Our country girls have the guts to go & report rape. They don't have to worry nobody will marry a rape victim. Most men will not have a issue to marry a girl who was raped. You can't imagine that in Pakistan.





I was talking about Turkey & all the Turks were decent enough to answer in a civil & cultured manner. Pakistanis & Bangladeshis can’t control their usual behaviour - showing their ill-mannered & un-cultured eruption. Pure hate mongers.

More than eating beef, it’s the way these animals are inhumanely handled, brutally transported & cruelly butchered, which enrages the Hindus. Cow has sacred & sentimental significance in Hindu culture, so when they see this holy animal ill treated & mercilessly butchered, of course some dutiful Hindus will be offended. I am a Hindu & I have no issues with anybody eating beef. And for your kind information there are many Hindus who eat beef in India.

And what’s your problem with Holi. It’s celebrated by Hindus. Many foreigners celebrate Holi along with us. Are they fools to come to India just to play Holi. We don’t force Muslims to celebrate it, but most of them just celebrate it. Infact some Muslim areas they celebrate it among Muslims itself where there are hardly any Hindus. Ask the Muslims of India If I am wrong & tell them about Health not us.

Nobody has any problem with Hindus, Hindu religion or it’s teachings in the world. Hindus has been the most tolerant religion of all the religions in history. The only other is Buddhism. That’s reason India accepted every culture & every people from every part of the world with open arms who came to India.

Even today we have Tibetans, Afghans, Parsis, Jews, & people of every origin living in Indian be it Africans, Chinese, Arabs, Greeks, Tai, Burmese, Portuguese, French, English & other European origin people happily living in the country for ages including Turkish. None of them will talk of oppression or ill-treatment from Hindus for their practices or beliefs.

In the Middle East, many countries have put a ban on Bangladeshis & Pakistanis, not Indians. You should ask Why or go search why? It should tell about your countrymen.



Indians are generally viewed as peaceful, humble and dedicated workers/professionals. My old Saudi businessman friend has told me he preferred Indian construction workers to any other nationality as they did the jobs with efficiency and honesty. Educated Arabs tend to view India as a great country with amazing contributions to humanity.

Most Bangladeshis who work in Gulf are road sweepers, drivers and construction workers. Many people accuse them of theft and don't trust them. An average Turk won't even know of a country called BD. I know you won’t agree. Ask me for proof & I can provide or best do your own research. Truth will be bitter.

Hate mongering?
Is that what papa US taught to You?Most hindu who get to go outside never returns and feel embarrassed to say they are "Hindu"
India's contribution to humanity?
How can india can contribute anything to humanity when there was no country named india before 47?Are you trying to be funny?

You are most tolerant,peaceful?ROFL.
Hindu doesn't even anything to defend because what they have is some cartoon BS.No real educated "hindu" ever dared to put their "religion" on the edge of sword,know why?

Interesting you said Hindu religion,because some other say it is way of life or way of shit,i sometimes get really confused.

Holi celebrated by foreigners?So?
Even at Eid day foreigners in bangladesh embrace local people and say eid mubarak.

You are asking about us about our religion and when i am asking why an stupid useless color throwing childish game should be celebrated you are getting defensive?

In middle east most hindus living happily even in saudi arabia where law is strict because we don't judge by caste,moreover we have no appeasing hidden agenda,we say it on face,if you like you take it or leave it.
Unlike indians where in world stage they do drama of democracy and in home they ask why we eat beef.


Really?"the way these animals are inhumanely handled, brutally transported & cruelly butchered, which enrages the Hindus" is that only goes for poor man like akhlaq khan or your papa US who is first at eating beef makes into that list too?Hypocrisy at it's best.

Hindu were never tolerant or bla bla bla.Hinduism came from arab pagan which is actually natural element worshiping and hindus stole it by creating some cartoon figure in that.

Hindus wherever goes get stuck like chewing gum because neither they have any value to defend nor any self respect.Those who has values can fight to defend it.What will hindus fight for?to do drama?


And please do not give crap about buddhism,buddhism broke away from hinduism after watching the BS in hinduism.
Do not try to take credit from everything.

Whenever anyone gives you a fact checking,it becomes hate mongering for you?
Such a cute little boy you are,like all other sub-human uneducated hindu indians

When your hindu indians were busy in sweeping floors in luxurious malls in middle east and making identity for you,we were busy at something else,no problem if even entire turkey never heard of us before

http://www.globalhungerindex.org/results-2017/

truth is really bitter


No you will not find hindu terrorists in other countries,because hindus are gutless creature who is just good as suking their amrican and israeli bf's dik.What we do?We kill them in their own home if they kill us.And guess what,then whinny hindu comes crying "terrorists"
It doesn't matter how do you cry,we are gonna keep killing your boyfriends in dozens

BTW hindu terrorists doesn't exist in outside countries,they only exist in your own country.Because hindus dhotis are mummy's boy