Eight Dead, 25 Hurt in Philippine Troops' Clash With Abu Sayyaf

[70U63]

I wonder why the 'only' world police doesn't help them to 'solve' the problem before 1991 instead of 'invest' heavily in ME?

 

[Aepsilons]

I wonder why the 'only' world police doesn't help them to 'solve' the problem before 1991 instead of 'invest' heavily in ME?

Who said they didn't? There are multiple factors you have to consider when analyzing the Philippines immediately post-Marcos. Let's just say they've gone a long way since '86. The Philippines is the 2nd fastest growing economy in Asia, afterall.

I'd say the Philippines is doing a great job , and indices point to sustained growth.

 

[Tshering22]

Philippine actually facing more than three different threats regarding rebellion at their homes

1. Moro Islamist group (hardcore groups fighting for their religious ideology)
2. Bangsamoro Independence Fighter (MILF) fighting for more reasonable cause like poverty, economic chance and so on, actually they can be reasoned with
3. Maoist, communist hardcore. Some suspect they had been backed by external sources

None of them deserve any justification for their actions buddy... just like those terrorists your brave soldiers killed after Bali bombing. Appreciate the bravery of Indonesian soldiers.

Philippines needs ASEAN cooperation and it is time you all get together as a serious alliance beyond economy.

ASEAN's capability is immense:

1- Singapore's resourcefulness and advancement
2- Indonesia's massive armed forces
3- Malaysia's diplomatic clout
4- Vietnam's military tactics with minimal resources

Other countries are catching up but you guys can definitely make a statement.

 

[70U63]

Alliance is 'almost' impossible in the near future.
If you think rationally, there are a lot of leaders from this region are very incompetence in handling their internal and external issues.

Philippines needs ASEAN cooperation and it is time you all get together as a serious alliance beyond economy.

ASEAN's capability is immense:

1- Singapore's resourcefulness and advancement
2- Indonesia's massive armed forces
3- Malaysia's diplomatic clout
4- Vietnam's military tactics with minimal resources

Other countries are catching up but you guys can definitely make a statement.

 

[Tshering22]

Alliance is 'almost' impossible in the near future.
If you think rationally, there are a lot of leaders from this region are very incompetence in handling their internal and external issues.

Then ASEAN nations will remain very weak and vulnerable to any external threat. Buying weapons alone isn't the only way to defend your region and countries collectively. Remember you are all diverse resource-rich island countries and you have to stand up to defend yourselves from aggression.

 

[70U63]

Aggression from who?
Don't tell me it is from China, because most of the nations in the region don't have this issue except some.
Better pay more attention to the extremist/terrorist/freedom fighter as this will become more serious issue in the near future.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

One of the major sources of funding for the MILF, MNLF was actually the late Gaddafi, and his demise was actually a blessing for the Philippines, in context to the reduction in the MILF/ MNLF's funding issue. The recent progress between a peace deal between the Philippines and the separatists , namely the MNLF.

I agree with what you say about the external sources of terror funding being from the Middle East. And what the Philippines has to do is to augment its Coast Guard so that they may have increased maritime interdiction capabilities , and interdict smuggling of weapons / goods from terror groups who traverse through the Philippines' vast maritime territory between Indonesia and Malaysia.

Oh yeah, Eastern cowboy, lets terminate them, those subhumans …

Lets assume, Gaddafi sponsored these groups, now that he got killed, what improvement have we got? These groups are still active and alive and Libya has become an utter chaos with millions suffering.

If these simple minded peole didn't cause so much harm, it would have been comedy gold.

 

[SelfServeFive]

Give them freedom! They are oppressed on their own land.

 

[Zero_wing]

Give them freedom! They are oppressed on their own land.

Wow this coming from government trolls who know nothing about freedom its funny and do you know what that means? like 90% christian Mindanao would allow that? evidence or shut up troll faces and leave our waters and islands.

 

[Aepsilons]

Oh yeah, Eastern cowboy, lets terminate them, those subhumans …

Lets assume, Gaddafi sponsored these groups, now that he got killed, what improvement have we got? These groups are still active and alive and Libya has become an utter chaos with millions suffering.

If these simple minded peole didn't cause so much harm, it would have been comedy gold.

My friend, please read into the etiology and founding of Islamiyah Jeramiyah, this terror group has not only devastated parts of Indonesia, Malaysia but also the Philippines, and actively trains recruits from the Philippines. These groups are funded by extremist donors from the Middle East. As for the MNLF, they have entered a peace accord with the Philippines, in fact they are not the ones fighting the Philippine Army, Marines as they've upheld their part of the peace accord. Rather those who are fighting are members of another group led by Nur Misuari, the leader of the MILF, who also led the 2013 Davao shooting attack , which was in response to not being included in the peace accord with the MNLF. The MILF not only is fighting the Philippine Governmenr but also contends with the MNLF. So the situation on the ground recently is not completely a failure, but can be salvaged as soon as the Philippine Government observes policy change to include the MILF in the peace accord. This can only be done when the MILF ceases their fighting.

 

[Nike]

None of them deserve any justification for their actions buddy... just like those terrorists your brave soldiers killed after Bali bombing. Appreciate the bravery of Indonesian soldiers.

Philippines needs ASEAN cooperation and it is time you all get together as a serious alliance beyond economy.

ASEAN's capability is immense:

1- Singapore's resourcefulness and advancement
2- Indonesia's massive armed forces
3- Malaysia's diplomatic clout
4- Vietnam's military tactics with minimal resources

Other countries are catching up but you guys can definitely make a statement.

I am not trying to make any justification, with classification of the rebels cause we can made a strategic approach on how we will handle them, in Indonesia, in the past we made an error when dealing against them at same basic tactics and approach for every groups. We killing them indiscriminately, without regard to what is their cause and what is the problems in which made them lifting their arms against the State or Republic. No matter how much you kill them, you still doesn't uproot the cause, and utterly the time will be your biggest enemies as the world will know what happened in your country.

That's why, in our post reformation era, Indonesia change her tactics and strategies to deal with rebellion and separatist movement. We use divide et impera tactics to weaken them from within, use economics development as the main weapons and lure them with more opportunity to gain more freedoms in economics chances, local Law and politics. And at the same time Indonesia government bring more internal stability by recruiting and put more Police to tackle against disturbance in restive area to minimize scrutiny against our Armed Forces. Meanwhile when we handling against Terrorism and Religion fundamentalist terrorist organization we using annihilation war against them, crack them down and severe them from their supporter. So far, Indonesia can maintain her stability and minimize the potent for upscale rebellion and terrorist attacks at home....

 

[Zero_wing]

I am not trying to make any justification, with classification of the rebels cause we can made a strategic approach on how we will handle them, in Indonesia, in the past we made an error when dealing against them at same basic tactics and approach for every groups. We killing them indiscriminately, without regard to what is their cause and what is the problems in which made them lifting their arms against the State or Republic. No matter how much you kill them, you still doesn't uproot the cause, and utterly the time will be your biggest enemies as the world will know what happened in your country.

That's why, in our post reformation era, Indonesia change her tactics and strategies to deal with rebellion and separatist movement. We use divide et impera tactics to weaken them from within, use economics development as the main weapons and lure them with more opportunity to gain more freedoms in economics chances, local Law and politics. And at the same time Indonesia government bring more internal stability by recruiting and put more Police to tackle against disturbance in restive area to minimize scrutiny against our Armed Forces. Meanwhile when we handling against Terrorism and Religion fundamentalist terrorist organization we using annihilation war against them, crack them down and severe them from their supporter. So far, Indonesia can maintain her stability and minimize the potent for upscale rebellion and terrorist attacks at home....

Thats the current policy now why do think the NPA losing thier support base the MI and the abus are different animal a combo of military action and economic development is needed and more on protecting those developments.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Thats the current policy now why do think the NPA losing thier support base the MI and the abus are different animal a combo of military action and economic development is needed and more on protecting those developments.

Sadly, talking with groups like the MILF and MNLF are more complicated and with the BIFF now wreaking havoc in Mindanao and that the MILF are not 100% transparent on some issues, I doubt that the peace process will be successful.

There is too much distrust between two sides.

 

[Zero_wing]

Sadly, talking with groups like the MILF and MNLF are more complicated and with the BIFF now wreaking havoc in Mindanao and that the MILF are not 100% transparent on some issues, I doubt that the peace process will be successful.

There is too much distrust between two sides.

With or without the MI we have to forward with combo military action and economic development and protection (oplan bayahihan) or we can follow Sri Lanka example but the politicos dont have the balls for that so military action and economic development and protection is the way to go.

 

[Cossack25A1]

With or without the MI we have to forward with combo military action and economic development and protection (oplan bayahihan) or we can follow Sri Lanka example but the politicos dont have the balls for that so military action and economic development and protection is the way to go.

While the Aquino administration is being a wuss, we can't remove the military option specially since if we were to remember what happened in Zamboanga back in 2013, even if we put money in developing Mindanao, there will always be troublemakers.