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Egypt's human rights situation is going from ugly to uglier - Yahoo News

Egypt's deteriorating human rights situation in the past three years has had something of a boiled frog effect to it - things have gotten worse just gradually enough that the country's unfolding problems have been pushed to the margins.

But the severe abuses meted out to Egyptian citizens are crushing any hopes of a pluralistic, truly democratic society any time soon. And by "soon" think at least a decade.

Too pessimistic? Perhaps. But consider the ramifications of jails filled with 16,000 political activists; torture in detention centers and police stations reported to be growing more prevalent, not less so; and the taboo broken last August when the military attacked a Muslim Brotherhood protest camp at Rabaa al-Adawey square. The group has since been outlawed. And while it's true that the group's supporters are bearing the brunt of the crackdown, it goes much wider.

Meanwhile the US is considering a resumption of full military aid to Egypt, including delayed Apache attack helicopters the country's military rulers say they need to fight Islamist militants in the troubled Sinai peninsula. Last week, Secretary of State John Kerry told the House Appropriations Committee that the US would like to resume full aid but that he has some reservations.

"We want this interim transitional government to succeed. We are committed to try to help make that happen, but they need to help us to help them at the same time by implementing some of the reforms that we’ve been talking with them about with respect to inclusivity, journalists, some of the arrests and so forth," he said, adding that the Obama administration would decide "soon" on arms transfers.

But whether Egypt's presidential elections go ahead (they've been promised to be finished by some time before July) and whether they're relatively fair (which seems unlikely given that so many political activists are in jail) the fact is that Egypt is moving backwards on basic human rights. And the US, which often trumpets human rights abroad, is stuck in yet another situation where its hypocrisy erodes whatever moral standing it has to criticize the rights records of governments it opposes.

It's hard to see the massacre at Rabaa, with at least 900 Egyptian citizens killed by security forces, as anything but deliberately designed to send a message that state terror was back, with a vengeance.

Here's how the Global Post, which ran a lengthy and highly useful reconstruction of the events of Aug. 14 at the end of February, describes the event.

This GlobalPost reconstruction — based on eyewitness interviews, visits to the scene, first-hand observation on Aug. 14, and an examination of video and photographic evidence — shows that thousands of peaceful demonstrators were trapped inside the camp as security forces mounted often indiscriminate attacks on the crowds.

... More than 100 demonstrators died during a police attack on the site on July 8 and clashes around its fringes on July 27, hardening their resolve to fight against the authorities. Afterward, their numbers swelled.

... The demonstrators were mostly unarmed. A small group of men launched a fight back with a limited supply of guns, as well as Molotov cocktails and stones, from an unfinished building on the camp’s southern flank, and in response, police unleashed lethal and indiscriminate force on the sit-in as a whole. It is unclear who fired the first shots. But evidence gathered by GlobalPost indicates that security forces disproportionately deployed live ammunition against protesters rather than tear gas, water cannons, or other standard crowd-clearing tools.

Human Rights Watch's own review of events that day found no justification for the massive use of deadly force by the Egyptian state and called the massacre “the most serious incident of mass unlawful killings in modern Egyptian history.”

Consider that for a moment. Egypt's monarchy was overthrown in a free officers coup, it fought a bloody counterinsurgency campaign against Al Qaeda-style militants in the 1980s and 1990s, and has been ruled by military-backed dictators for over 40 years. During that time, there have been plenty of abuses – a crucial spark for the Jan. 2011 uprising against Hosni Mubarak was the torture and murder by police of a young businessman in Alexandria – but nothing on this scale.

And public spectacles of violence have a way of effecting societies far beyond those immediately touched by tragedy. Just consider how the shooting of four unarmed protesters against the expansion of the Vietnam war into Cambodia at Kent State in May 1970 resonated in US politics for decades. A photo of a distraught young women grieving over the body of one of the dead won the Pulitzer prize, Neil Young composed his classic "Ohio" about the shootings a few weeks later, and campus protests in response paralyzed colleges and universities across the country.

To this day, Kent State is remembered as the high point of a heavily polarized and dangerous moment in American political life, where seething anti-war youth confronted a paranoid government and the whiff of revolution hung in the air. All in a functioning democracy with a culture of respect for the rule of law dating back 200 years.

Now consider Rabaa, a profoundly damaging episode for Egypt. Issandr El Amrani, the Egypt and North Africaanalyst for the International Crisis Group, told a recent panel at Harvard that the level of distrust towards the government among Muslim Brotherhood officials and supporters is the lowest he's ever seen it. He sees no chance for any kind of political reconciliation anytime soon.

The Associated Press, citing data provided by officials at Egypt's Interior Ministry and the military, reports that among the 16,000 people current in detention for political activity about 3,000 are mid-ranking or senior Brotherhood officials.

While the interim military government, headed by Field Marshall Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, wants to erase the group's political influence, political Islam as a force in Egypt has proven resilient over decades of state repression, and millions of Brotherhood supporters aren't just going to disappear. While many millions of Egyptians are delighted with the current state of affairs – Sissi is widely expected to run for president and win – a recipe for prolonged conflict has been stirred.

The military and the courts behave with outright contempt for the principles of democracy. Just today a reporter for a newspaper controlled by the Brotherhood was sentenced to a year of hard labor for the crime of campaigning against the country's new Constitution during the referendum that approved the document in January.

And it's not just the Muslim Brotherhood. There are the Al Jazeera journalists facing lengthy prison sentences on trumped up terrorism charges and liberal political activists like Ahmed Mahir, a key organizer of the 2011 protests at Tahrir, who are facing jail for holding illegal demonstrations.

Last May, Kerry issued a national security waiver allowing $1.3 billion of arms transfers to Egypt, even as a group of over 40 employees working on democracy promotion for non-government organizations, a number of them US citizens, faced trial for their professional work. A few weeks later the NGO workers were sentenced to prison sentences (though most of the foreigners had already fled the country) and within two months the military had seized power.

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We're all behind Egypt during their period of transition.

Good luck Egyptians, you're heading in the right direction. There will be some ups and downs, but it'll be worth it.
 
We're all behind Egypt during their period of transition.

Good luck Egyptians, you're heading in the right direction. There will be some ups and downs, but it'll be worth it.


:rofl: This is what you would say when Egypt voted in its first democratic goverment in history,, not when they are on the verge of obtaining a new military dictator

everything you want to know about al sisi, the current egyptian goverment is revealed in the words of support from the israeli jew^
 
:rofl: This is what you would say when Egypt voted in its first democratic goverment in history,, not when they are on the verge of obtaining a new military dictator

everything you want to know about al sisi, the current egyptian goverment is revealed in the words of support from the israeli jew^
Actually, as much as I loathe the MB - I was not in favour of them being ousted as they were.

Partly because I believe in democracy, partly because I was worried what would happen to the country if the MB were removed and partly because under Morsi we started to have good cooperation with Egyptian intelligence.

But the people spoke again. After 12 months of the MB doing nothing but supporting MB members, the people got fed up.

So you shouldn't assume things, curry-muncher.
 
Actually, as much as I loathe the MB - I was not in favour of them being ousted as they were.

Partly because I believe in democracy, partly because I was worried what would happen to the country if the MB were removed and partly because under Morsi we started to have good cooperation with Egyptian intelligence.

But the people spoke again. After 12 months of the MB doing nothing but supporting MB members, the people got fed up.

So you shouldn't assume things, curry-muncher.

Dont make me laugh, jew....

Your back tracking wont work, the reality was revealed in your first post, you people dont care about democracy, you care about goverments and leaders to support israel regardless of how much oppression or pressure they heap on their own population.

Hence Al sisi is a gift for you,
 
Dont make me laugh, jew....

Your back tracking wont work, the reality was revealed in your first post, you people dont care about democracy, you care about goverments and leaders to support israel regardless of how much oppression or pressure they heap on their own population.

Hence Al sisi is a gift for you,
As long as your kind are obliterated from this earth - I, we and humanity will be much happier.
 
As long as your kind are obliterated from this earth - I, we and humanity will be much happier.

We will stand in the face of your occupation and oppression, we will never never surrender, we will fight you in the cities and we will fight you on the beaches
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and the falafel stores and homus stands
 
We will stand in the face of your occupation and oppression, we will never never surrender, we will fight you in the cities and we will fight you on the beaches
.
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and the falafel stores and homus stands
So you do have a sense of humour.

Not many of you skirt-wearers in Bradford do :lol:
 
We're all behind Egypt during their period of transition.

Good luck Egyptians, you're heading in the right direction. There will be some ups and downs, but it'll be worth it.
When a Jew cheers you on, you know your country has made bad decisions and you are headed in the wrong direction.

It's like the devil is cheering you on. :chilli:

Egypt's human rights situation is going from ugly to uglier - Yahoo News

Egypt's deteriorating human rights situation in the past three years has had something of a boiled frog effect to it - things have gotten worse just gradually enough that the country's unfolding problems have been pushed to the margins.

But the severe abuses meted out to Egyptian citizens are crushing any hopes of a pluralistic, truly democratic society any time soon. And by "soon" think at least a decade.

Too pessimistic? Perhaps. But consider the ramifications of jails filled with 16,000 political activists; torture in detention centers and police stations reported to be growing more prevalent, not less so; and the taboo broken last August when the military attacked a Muslim Brotherhood protest camp at Rabaa al-Adawey square. The group has since been outlawed. And while it's true that the group's supporters are bearing the brunt of the crackdown, it goes much wider.

Meanwhile the US is considering a resumption of full military aid to Egypt, including delayed Apache attack helicopters the country's military rulers say they need to fight Islamist militants in the troubled Sinai peninsula. Last week, Secretary of State John Kerry told the House Appropriations Committee that the US would like to resume full aid but that he has some reservations.

"We want this interim transitional government to succeed. We are committed to try to help make that happen, but they need to help us to help them at the same time by implementing some of the reforms that we’ve been talking with them about with respect to inclusivity, journalists, some of the arrests and so forth," he said, adding that the Obama administration would decide "soon" on arms transfers.

But whether Egypt's presidential elections go ahead (they've been promised to be finished by some time before July) and whether they're relatively fair (which seems unlikely given that so many political activists are in jail) the fact is that Egypt is moving backwards on basic human rights. And the US, which often trumpets human rights abroad, is stuck in yet another situation where its hypocrisy erodes whatever moral standing it has to criticize the rights records of governments it opposes.

It's hard to see the massacre at Rabaa, with at least 900 Egyptian citizens killed by security forces, as anything but deliberately designed to send a message that state terror was back, with a vengeance.

Here's how the Global Post, which ran a lengthy and highly useful reconstruction of the events of Aug. 14 at the end of February, describes the event.

This GlobalPost reconstruction — based on eyewitness interviews, visits to the scene, first-hand observation on Aug. 14, and an examination of video and photographic evidence — shows that thousands of peaceful demonstrators were trapped inside the camp as security forces mounted often indiscriminate attacks on the crowds.

... More than 100 demonstrators died during a police attack on the site on July 8 and clashes around its fringes on July 27, hardening their resolve to fight against the authorities. Afterward, their numbers swelled.

... The demonstrators were mostly unarmed. A small group of men launched a fight back with a limited supply of guns, as well as Molotov cocktails and stones, from an unfinished building on the camp’s southern flank, and in response, police unleashed lethal and indiscriminate force on the sit-in as a whole. It is unclear who fired the first shots. But evidence gathered by GlobalPost indicates that security forces disproportionately deployed live ammunition against protesters rather than tear gas, water cannons, or other standard crowd-clearing tools.

Human Rights Watch's own review of events that day found no justification for the massive use of deadly force by the Egyptian state and called the massacre “the most serious incident of mass unlawful killings in modern Egyptian history.”

Consider that for a moment. Egypt's monarchy was overthrown in a free officers coup, it fought a bloody counterinsurgency campaign against Al Qaeda-style militants in the 1980s and 1990s, and has been ruled by military-backed dictators for over 40 years. During that time, there have been plenty of abuses – a crucial spark for the Jan. 2011 uprising against Hosni Mubarak was the torture and murder by police of a young businessman in Alexandria – but nothing on this scale.

And public spectacles of violence have a way of effecting societies far beyond those immediately touched by tragedy. Just consider how the shooting of four unarmed protesters against the expansion of the Vietnam war into Cambodia at Kent State in May 1970 resonated in US politics for decades. A photo of a distraught young women grieving over the body of one of the dead won the Pulitzer prize, Neil Young composed his classic "Ohio" about the shootings a few weeks later, and campus protests in response paralyzed colleges and universities across the country.

To this day, Kent State is remembered as the high point of a heavily polarized and dangerous moment in American political life, where seething anti-war youth confronted a paranoid government and the whiff of revolution hung in the air. All in a functioning democracy with a culture of respect for the rule of law dating back 200 years.

Now consider Rabaa, a profoundly damaging episode for Egypt. Issandr El Amrani, the Egypt and North Africaanalyst for the International Crisis Group, told a recent panel at Harvard that the level of distrust towards the government among Muslim Brotherhood officials and supporters is the lowest he's ever seen it. He sees no chance for any kind of political reconciliation anytime soon.

The Associated Press, citing data provided by officials at Egypt's Interior Ministry and the military, reports that among the 16,000 people current in detention for political activity about 3,000 are mid-ranking or senior Brotherhood officials.

While the interim military government, headed by Field Marshall Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, wants to erase the group's political influence, political Islam as a force in Egypt has proven resilient over decades of state repression, and millions of Brotherhood supporters aren't just going to disappear. While many millions of Egyptians are delighted with the current state of affairs – Sissi is widely expected to run for president and win – a recipe for prolonged conflict has been stirred.

The military and the courts behave with outright contempt for the principles of democracy. Just today a reporter for a newspaper controlled by the Brotherhood was sentenced to a year of hard labor for the crime of campaigning against the country's new Constitution during the referendum that approved the document in January.

And it's not just the Muslim Brotherhood. There are the Al Jazeera journalists facing lengthy prison sentences on trumped up terrorism charges and liberal political activists like Ahmed Mahir, a key organizer of the 2011 protests at Tahrir, who are facing jail for holding illegal demonstrations.

Last May, Kerry issued a national security waiver allowing $1.3 billion of arms transfers to Egypt, even as a group of over 40 employees working on democracy promotion for non-government organizations, a number of them US citizens, faced trial for their professional work. A few weeks later the NGO workers were sentenced to prison sentences (though most of the foreigners had already fled the country) and within two months the military had seized power.

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Egypt is a third world country, you are expecting to much.
 
@Infoman

It's that way because the massive control the military regime exercises on Egypt. It needs to move forward.
 
When a Jew cheers you on, you know your country has made bad decisions and you are headed in the wrong direction.

It's like the devil is cheering you on. :chilli:

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:lol:

Even the devil is successful in his own right.

We have achieved a great country in a short period of time, so we have good experience in nation building and even western nations are coming to us for help with high-tech economy etc.
 
When a Jew cheers you on, you know your country has made bad decisions and you are headed in the wrong direction.

It's like the devil is cheering you on. :chilli:


Egypt is a third world country, you are expecting to much.

This is exactly what I thought, if a jew supports it, then somethings gotta be wrong

The jews will support any dictator even if he burns children in pits as long as the dictator is supportive of israel..

This is the case with Egypt, decades of oppression, a military junta in power dosent matter, if the egyptian people are crushed under jackboots.. All the jews care about is whether the dictator is good for israel

and once again that tells you everything you want to know about Sisi, and military regime that the jews love them so much
 
This is exactly what I thought, if a jew supports it, then somethings gotta be wrong

The jews will support any dictator even if he burns children in pits as long as the dictator is supportive of israel..

This is the case with Egypt, decades of oppression, a military junta in power dosent matter, if the egyptian people are crushed under jackboots.. All the jews care about is whether the dictator is good for israel

and once again that tells you everything you want to know about Sisi, and military regime that the jews love them so much

Such a dimwitted mindset.

Title of a Harteez piece: Mohammed Morsi, Israel's brother
 
the M.B were the anti christ for Israel compared to what General Al Sisi has done for them
 
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