Egypt’s Al-Azhar issues fatwa on Pakistani president's request, permits suspension of Friday prayers

[darksider]

Pakistan is a religious society and proud of it. Fatwas is an arabic word for an educated scholarly opinion/advice and Muslim scholars from across the globe with Pakistan & Egypt included exchange fatwas and ask for fatwas on a very regular basis...nothing new. run along now, enjoy your curfew.

He is a troll.he is calling a university madrassa(school).it show his iq level.
This hindu bhaya trying become wiser than us.but he dont know anything which show pathetic this attempt is trying to be wise.
Mods should delete these kind of threads immediately.these threads are just for bad mouthing of Islam and Pakistan.

Azhar is Islamic school it’s not even Vatican so why they ask fatwa from them also who needs fatwa to stop virus and people gatherings?!

What is problem for getting fatwa?
Government using every possible reason to stop people from gathering before using force.
Are you angry on fatwa or al_azhar?
Al azhar is a respected in muslims all around the world.

 

[litman]

sorry state of majority of muslim scholars in pakistan. was watching a video from india and the muslims who were talking were nothing but lunatics and fools. the main reason for that in subcontinent muslims dont know whats in quran and hadiths and the mullah misinterprets them. these mullahs dont have common sense as the majoity of us with good IQ dont go into this field and the discarded lot goes to madrassahs or does MA islamiat. so its not only the fault of mullah but our own failure as well. the pakistani mullah is still not able to understand the dangers of the disease and they also dont know how it spreads. this is ridiculous opinion that young men can go to mosques while those above 50 can stay at home . what if those young carry the virus along to their homes and infect their parents or elderly. the whole idea of quaratine or lock down will be lost but who will give some sense to these so called ulema?
that's why the pakistani leadership turned to al azhar for a fatwa. my relatives in gulf countries are telling that over there mosques are totally closed for all sorts of activity. but over here in india and pakistan the mullah is crazy.

IMO our media channels and mullahs are playing the worst role in our war against corona. they are only creating confusion in an already confused nation.

 

[SD 10]

Pakistan government has to seek a fatwa from Egypt to stop jumma prayers in pakistan...this shows how strong the hold of religion on Pakistani society is...even during this time of epidemic govt is scared to outrightly shut mosques and ask people to perform namaz at home.
Many islamic countries have already done that..but pakistan govt cant do that on its own out of fear and has to request fatwas from Saudi and Egypt....for any person who really loves his country(and self respect),this is a matter of shame....the president of pakistan requesting a madarsa in egypt to issue a fatwa !

Son! You dont have to worry about us. As far as Alazhar being an ordinary madrassah, your comment is just depicting the level of ignorance you have! Alazhar is far more than that!

 

[SABRE]

Azhar is Islamic school it’s not even Vatican so why they ask fatwa from them also who needs fatwa to stop virus and people gatherings?!

Fatwa should, in fact, be asked & issued from an 'Islamic school/university' as they are constantly studying Islam. Al-Azhar's is perhaps the oldest Islamic University in existence, it is generally perceived to be a prestigious institution, and its fatwas are deemed as one of the most reliable ones. Its academic credentials and experience with jurisprudence possibly exceed every other Islamic studies school in existence in the world. Consider it as an Oxford University of Islamic studies. Moreover, unlike Pakistani religious schools, which mostly indoctrinate a single school of thought to their students, Al-Azhar teaches all four Sunni schools of thoughts (while its foundations have been based on Shiaism), it upholds Sufism and opposes Wahabism & Salafism even as Egypt itself continues to align with Saudi Arabia. This means Al-Azhar manages to be both resistant and apolitical, something many of our religious schools have failed to do. This enables Al-Azhar to consult important jurisprudence on concerned issues from all the major schools of thoughts and reach a conclusion for a Fatwa.

 

[darksider]

Fatwa should, in fact, be asked & issued from an 'Islamic school/university' as they are constantly studying Islam. Al-Azhar's is perhaps the oldest Islamic University in existence, it is generally perceived to be a prestigious institution, and its fatwas are deemed as one of the most reliable ones. Its academic credentials and experience with jurisprudence possibly exceed every other Islamic studies school in existence in the world. Consider it as an Oxford University of Islamic studies. Moreover, unlike Pakistani religious schools, which mostly indoctrinate a single school of thought to their students, Al-Azhar teaches all four Sunni schools of thoughts (while its foundations have been based on Shiaism), it upholds Sufism and opposes Wahabism & Salafism even as Egypt itself continues to align with Saudi Arabia. This means Al-Azhar manages to be both resistant and apolitical, something many of our religious schools have failed to do. This enables Al-Azhar to consult important jurisprudence on concerned issues from all the major schools of thoughts and reach a conclusion for a Fatwa.

Can you explain please how its foundation based on shiaism? Please give references also.
Because what i see its affiliated with sunni fiqah.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Azhar_University

 

[Irfan Baloch]

,this is a matter of shame....the president of pakistan requesting a madarsa in egypt to issue a fatwa !

its not a Madrasah but a university and has established global accreditation in the Islamic jurisprudence well before creation of Pakistan.

the guidance in the form of books, scholarly notes and judgement are used as reference. it is seen as an independent body which is not influenced politically through force or greed by a third country.

think and word your comments carefully even when your aim is to make a snide remark and cause flame because you make yourself look ignorant.

using such venue essentially shuts up the troublemakers who would try to dismiss the local Ulema council as government puppets. and distance the general public from hardcore idiots.

 

[Raghav_101]

its not a Madrasah but a university and has established global accreditation in the Islamic jurisprudence well before creation of Pakistan.

the guidance in the form of books, scholarly notes and judgement are used as reference. it is seen as an independent body which is not influenced politically through force or greed by a third country.

think and word your comments carefully even when your aim is to make a snide remark and cause flame because you make yourself look ignorant.

using such venue essentially shuts up the troublemakers who would try to dismiss the local Ulema council as government puppets. and distance the general public from hardcore idiots.

Sir. That may well be a university. But it is really worth introspection. Why to give your command outside your country ? Prime Minister of Pakistan should be the utmost authority to decide on internal matters of Pakistan. If people are willing to listen more to that religious leader than the Pakistani state, it's problematic.

 

[SABRE]

Can you explain please how its foundation based on shiaism? Please give references also.
Because what i see its affiliated with sunni fiqah.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Azhar_University

It was established by Fatamids, followers of Ismaili Shiaism.

 

[k s ahmed]

Charity begins at home...

Modi takes advice from Mohan Bhagwat for all the decisions he/BJP take.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...is-rss-hq-becoming-narendra-modis-10-janpath/




Are you serious...Deoband Hind mullahs were against the creation of Pakistan, still they don't support the Kashmir cause.

ulemas were divided.. some said yes and some no, on creation of pakistan.. Bot hhad valid reasons.
Ashraf Ali Thanvi (RHA) supported the creation
I would have supported a separate space for myself , if i was alive at that time. its important

It was established by Fatamids, followers of Ismaili Shiaism.

but then Salah Uddin converted it to sunni mosque.
Ulema regularly exchange knwoledge across the borders , as some one said above .

 

[S.Y.A]

it is seen as an independent body which is not influenced politically through force or greed by a third country.

seen as such by home? al azhar is nothing but egyptian govt's B party. may have been great at one time, but is now a puppet of egyptian rulers.

Prime Minister of Pakistan should be the utmost authority to decide on internal matters of Pakistan. If people are willing to listen more to that religious leader than the Pakistani state, it's problematic.

Is the PM an expert in religious matters? no. are any of the political leaders of Pakistan even slightly knowledgeable about Islam? no. so in matters of religion the pm or president is a nobody.

their choice for fatwa (al azhar) is debatable, but people should stay at home for prayers.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir. That may well be a university. But it is really worth introspection. Why to give your command outside your country ? Prime Minister of Pakistan should be the utmost authority to decide on internal matters of Pakistan. If people are willing to listen more to that religious leader than the Pakistani state, it's problematic.

our PM or President are not Islamic Jurists.

sometimes its never a win. if you choose one inside the country then the criticism will be why not someone Saudi , Iran , India, Bangladesh was chosen. then there is issue of different sects etc as well.

recall the story of "you cant people everyone"

Musharraf called in the help of the prayer leader of Grand Mosque of Mekkah before the Red Mosque operation. after the terrorist sympathizers rejected any national objection to their acts.

 

[S.Y.A]

our PM or President are not Islamic Jurists.

sometimes its never a win. if you choose one inside the country then the criticism will be why not someone Saudi , Iran , India, Bangladesh was chosen. then there is issue of different sects etc as well.

recall the story of "you cant people everyone"

Musharraf called in the help of the prayer leader of Grand Mosque of Mekkah before the Red Mosque operation. after the terrorist sympathizers rejected any national objection to their acts.

also, in case there is a difference of opinion among religious scholars, then the decision of the govt is binding upon all. in this case, if the govt decides to favor the stance of staying at home, then that decision must be followed.

 

[SABRE]

but then Salah Uddin converted it to sunni mosque.
Ulema regularly exchange knwoledge across the borders , as some one said above .

Let me first say that my knowledge about Al-Azhar, beyond what I have already alluded to, is meagre. But when we talk about Salah al-Din in Egypt we need to distinguish between Salah al-Din the commander/governor of Egypt and Salah al-Din the ruler of Egypt. These are two different instances. In the first instance, Salah al-Din was following the commands of Noor al-Din Zangi, who was staunchly Sunni. However, where Noor al-Din Zangi showed less affinity for the Fatimids (or other Shias), Salah al-Din largely appears sympathetic or, at least, accomodating. To this extent, he defied Noor al-Din Zangi's orders to issue a declaration of abrogation of Fatimid Khilafat during Friday prayers after Egypt had completely fallen under the Zangi rule. This is where the gulf between Noor al-Din Zangi and otherwise very loyal Salah al-Din started to appear and widen. The deed was then assigned to an unknown person who made the said announcement on Noor al-Din Zangi's behalf after one fine Friday prayers. Salah al-Din had struck a friendship with the young but critically ailing last Khalifa of the Fatimids and ordered everyone not to inform the Khalifa of what had happened after the prayers and to let him die thinking he was the Khalifa till the end. If the conversion of Al-Azhar to Sunni fiqah took place during this period it might have been done so on the orders of Noor al-Din Zangi. As I said, keeping the abrogation of Fatimid Khilafat aside, Salah al-Din was loyal to Noor al-Din Zangi and took orders from him. But this is purely speculative and I have not come across any evidence for this.

In the second instance, the governing authority over Egypt by default fell to Salah al-Din over time. Even with the worsening of relations between the two of them over the abrogation issue Noor al-Din Zangi did not replace Salah al-Din. A short time later, Noor al-Din Zangi died and the rulership over his kingdom that included most of the major settlements of the Middle East, including the three Holy cities, fell to Salah al-Din. Outside of Wikipedia, I have not read any conversions (forced or voluntary) to Sunnism of the Egyptian population and Egyptian institutions by Salah al-Din, including the conversion of Al-Azhar to Sunni fiqah and burning of its books/written material (Shia and/or secular), both during his commandership/governorship and absolute rule. There are a lot of distorted narratives here thanks to the conflicting nature of our religious sects. I will need a little time to dig out information on how Al-Azhar became a predominantly Sunni institution. But in any case, its foundations - undoubtedly and undisputedly - have been laid down by the Fatimids, who were Ismaili Shias.

 

[jamahir]

Pakistan government has to seek a fatwa from Egypt to stop jumma prayers in pakistan...this shows how strong the hold of religion on Pakistani society is...even during this time of epidemic govt is scared to outrightly shut mosques and ask people to perform namaz at home.
Many islamic countries have already done that..but pakistan govt cant do that on its own out of fear and has to request fatwas from Saudi and Egypt....for any person who really loves his country(and self respect),this is a matter of shame....the president of pakistan requesting a madarsa in egypt to issue a fatwa !

Al Azhar is some times a Progressive institute, and at least the Pakistan government asked with it for Friday prayers, whereas the Indian Muslims have had no idea about this matter. Here in India, some hours ago I saw a man aged about 55 to 60 go towards the mosque. And today is not even Friday !!

There is no concept of nations state in Islam...Pakistan is an anomaly.

The idea of nation states, city states and monarchies is obsolete and artificial, whether or not those entities are Muslim. It would really be good for humanity if there is one single Progressive governance system for all humans.

 

[RescueRanger]

Zahid Hamid right now..

Don't believe me?

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