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As Ethiopia celebrated rains which began filling a controversial dam on a tributary of the River Nile, Egypt was fuming.

The North African nation had long been opposed to any development on the Nile upstream that could reduce the amount of water it receives from the river and has regarded the Ethiopian project as an existential threat.

The Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (Gerd), which has been in construction since 2011, is now holding back water - and contains 4.9 billion cubic metres (bcm) of the Blue Nile's water after this season's rains.

This is despite Egypt's insistence that no filling should take place without a legally binding agreement about how the process will be managed.

In another four to six years the reservoir, which sits behind what will be Africa's largest hydroelectric plant when it comes into operation, is expected to reach 74bcm.

Egypt and Ethiopia, along with Sudan through which the Blue Nile also flows, have been negotiating for the best part of a decade, but all the while the dam has been built.

They signed a declaration of principles in 2015 which spoke about the "spirit of co-operation", but Egypt feels that has been missing.

In the past year, it has invested time and political capital by lobbying at the highest international level and seeking help from the US and the UN, but to no avail.


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(LOL LOOK AT Donald's face, he loves being centre of attention )


Egypt appears to have lost that battle.

It has failed to force Ethiopia to abide by what it saw as long-standing international convention requiring upstream countries to consult the downstream states before embarking on projects of this magnitude.

At this point it is hard to imagine what else Egypt could possibly do today other than acquiesce and do as much damage limitation as possible. However, a military option has never been explicitly ruled out.

The Egyptian leadership has repeatedly said it remains committed to resolution through negotiation. But it usually adds the caveat that "all options remain on the table" - a phrase that often alludes to possible conflict.

The government has repeatedly described the issue of the Gerd project as a matter of life and death. This will be especially true if there is a substantial reduction of the amount of the water that reaches Egypt as a result of the dam.


But now, with the filling a reality the Egyptian government has tried to put a brave face on things.

Officially, it said that Egypt remained committed to the current diplomatic process which is being handled by the African Union, and repeated its old mantra that it will not accept unilateral action from Ethiopia.

It has also insisted that any future agreement must endorse what it sees as its established Nile rights to 55bcm of water from the river.

On average 49bcm of water flows through the Blue Nile tributary a year and Ethiopia has consistently refused to concede to giving Egypt a commitment to a specific amount that it will allow to flow through the dam. It sees Egypt's demands as a legacy of agreements that were made without its involvement.

Egypt's official response betrayed powerlessness rather than resolve.

The stakes have never been higher for the country.

Describing the Gerd as an existential threat is not hyperbole. Egypt is an arid country and is seen as very water-poor.

The World Bank classifies water scarcity as when there is less than 1,000 cubic metres of fresh water per person a year. In Egypt, the figure is 550 cubic metre per person annually, according to the government.

Just take a look at the map, where 90% of its 100 million population are squeezed into the narrow Nile valley, 6% of the country's total area, beset by vast deserts on both sides.



The Nile provides Egyptians with their primary source of water, for both drinking and agriculture.

Its current annual share of the Nile waters, the now endangered 55bcm, already falls far short of its needs.

This explains that while on an official level Egypt has so far exercised verbal restraint, the media and commentators have not held back.


To them, Ethiopia had used the drawn out negotiations to blindside the Egyptians while creating facts on the ground to exercise total control over the river.

A triumphalist tweet celebrating the first year's filling of the Gerd by Ethiopia Foreign Minister Gedu Andargachew - which read in part "the river became a lake... the Nile is ours" - particularly inflamed passions.

It confirmed what Egyptians had long feared and some replied with all sorts of threats.

An Egyptian columnist begrudgingly acknowledged that Ethiopia had outmanoeuvred his country, but it is not over yet, Imad-al-Din Husayn wrote in the daily Shorouq newspaper, in an effort to reassure his readers.

"The Ethiopians refuse to believe that without the Nile we would die, literally. They have many rivers and receive around 950bcm of rain water annually. We receive a paltry 55bcm, half of what we actually need, which is also half of what their livestock consumes annually," he added in exasperation and summing up the imbalance that many Egyptians feel.

On its part Egypt has launched several water management schemes, which include the recycling of waste water in agriculture, desalination plants, and an ambition program to change traditional forms of irrigation to the more water saving method of drip-irrigation.

But the argument about Egypt's water poverty is perhaps its strongest card in the diplomatic wrangle, if it can be used to galvanise international support.

Apart from a short advert made in several languages, the Egyptian administrations has so far failed to launch a concerted information campaign to win over global backing.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53573154


Damm troubles all over the world. Yes I'm being silly, I like using the pun as that is what the thread is about.
Back to serious things. I like both countries, however Egypt has a point here;

"They have many rivers and receive around 950bcm of rain water annually. We receive a paltry 55bcm, half of what we actually need"


Ideally they should come to an agreement which hopefully allows Egypt a decent share. If not, I'd hate to think what can happen.
 
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It has failed to force Ethiopia to abide by what it saw as long-standing international convention requiring upstream countries to consult the downstream states before embarking on projects of this magnitude

Is this obligatory? Any sovereign country has the right to build whatever they want to within their boundaries, as far as i know
 
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Is this obligatory? Any sovereign country has the right to build whatever they want to within their boundaries, as far as i know
International Court of Justice has ruled in the past

states have the sovereign right to utilize their natural resources.67 Therefore, unilaterally damming a shared watercourse could be justified by the sovereign right of that particular state with absolute territorial sovereignty. However, the sovereignty of states is not absolute. The scope of its application is limited to specific circumstances.68 The ICJ in the Gabčíkovo-Nagymaros case held that the right of a sovereign state unilaterally to build a dam on a shared watercourse completely within its territory is still subject to particular limitations. There is, firstly, the duty not to cause significant transboundary damage and, secondly, the duty to respect the equitable and reasonable utilization of a shared watercourse.69 As a result, a riparian state will have the right to build a dam on a shared watercourse but such a right is limited and the state must comply with other international obligations. This reasoning signifies that limited territorial sovereignty is now the accepted theory for the utilization of shared watercourses in international law.70
 
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Is this obligatory? Any sovereign country has the right to build whatever they want to within their boundaries, as far as i know
Nope, and espacially not if its threatening the sovereignty of its neighbors but the devil is as always in the details, Egypt and Ethiopia will probably booth have two different definitions in this regard.
 
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As Ethiopia celebrated rains which began filling a controversial dam on a tributary of the River Nile, Egypt was fuming.

The North African nation had long been opposed to any development on the Nile upstream that could reduce the amount of water it receives from the river and has regarded the Ethiopian project as an existential threat.

The Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (Gerd), which has been in construction since 2011, is now holding back water - and contains 4.9 billion cubic metres (bcm) of the Blue Nile's water after this season's rains.

This is despite Egypt's insistence that no filling should take place without a legally binding agreement about how the process will be managed.

In another four to six years the reservoir, which sits behind what will be Africa's largest hydroelectric plant when it comes into operation, is expected to reach 74bcm.

Egypt and Ethiopia, along with Sudan through which the Blue Nile also flows, have been negotiating for the best part of a decade, but all the while the dam has been built.

They signed a declaration of principles in 2015 which spoke about the "spirit of co-operation", but Egypt feels that has been missing.

In the past year, it has invested time and political capital by lobbying at the highest international level and seeking help from the US and the UN, but to no avail.


_110460231_b50e6489-fa45-41cf-8c72-575a1b5b7598.jpg

(LOL LOOK AT Donald's face, he loves being centre of attention )


Egypt appears to have lost that battle.

It has failed to force Ethiopia to abide by what it saw as long-standing international convention requiring upstream countries to consult the downstream states before embarking on projects of this magnitude.

At this point it is hard to imagine what else Egypt could possibly do today other than acquiesce and do as much damage limitation as possible. However, a military option has never been explicitly ruled out.

The Egyptian leadership has repeatedly said it remains committed to resolution through negotiation. But it usually adds the caveat that "all options remain on the table" - a phrase that often alludes to possible conflict.

The government has repeatedly described the issue of the Gerd project as a matter of life and death. This will be especially true if there is a substantial reduction of the amount of the water that reaches Egypt as a result of the dam.


But now, with the filling a reality the Egyptian government has tried to put a brave face on things.

Officially, it said that Egypt remained committed to the current diplomatic process which is being handled by the African Union, and repeated its old mantra that it will not accept unilateral action from Ethiopia.

It has also insisted that any future agreement must endorse what it sees as its established Nile rights to 55bcm of water from the river.

On average 49bcm of water flows through the Blue Nile tributary a year and Ethiopia has consistently refused to concede to giving Egypt a commitment to a specific amount that it will allow to flow through the dam. It sees Egypt's demands as a legacy of agreements that were made without its involvement.

Egypt's official response betrayed powerlessness rather than resolve.

The stakes have never been higher for the country.

Describing the Gerd as an existential threat is not hyperbole. Egypt is an arid country and is seen as very water-poor.

The World Bank classifies water scarcity as when there is less than 1,000 cubic metres of fresh water per person a year. In Egypt, the figure is 550 cubic metre per person annually, according to the government.

Just take a look at the map, where 90% of its 100 million population are squeezed into the narrow Nile valley, 6% of the country's total area, beset by vast deserts on both sides.



The Nile provides Egyptians with their primary source of water, for both drinking and agriculture.

Its current annual share of the Nile waters, the now endangered 55bcm, already falls far short of its needs.

This explains that while on an official level Egypt has so far exercised verbal restraint, the media and commentators have not held back.


To them, Ethiopia had used the drawn out negotiations to blindside the Egyptians while creating facts on the ground to exercise total control over the river.

A triumphalist tweet celebrating the first year's filling of the Gerd by Ethiopia Foreign Minister Gedu Andargachew - which read in part "the river became a lake... the Nile is ours" - particularly inflamed passions.

It confirmed what Egyptians had long feared and some replied with all sorts of threats.

An Egyptian columnist begrudgingly acknowledged that Ethiopia had outmanoeuvred his country, but it is not over yet, Imad-al-Din Husayn wrote in the daily Shorouq newspaper, in an effort to reassure his readers.

"The Ethiopians refuse to believe that without the Nile we would die, literally. They have many rivers and receive around 950bcm of rain water annually. We receive a paltry 55bcm, half of what we actually need, which is also half of what their livestock consumes annually," he added in exasperation and summing up the imbalance that many Egyptians feel.

On its part Egypt has launched several water management schemes, which include the recycling of waste water in agriculture, desalination plants, and an ambition program to change traditional forms of irrigation to the more water saving method of drip-irrigation.

But the argument about Egypt's water poverty is perhaps its strongest card in the diplomatic wrangle, if it can be used to galvanise international support.

Apart from a short advert made in several languages, the Egyptian administrations has so far failed to launch a concerted information campaign to win over global backing.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53573154


Damm troubles all over the world. Yes I'm being silly, I like using the pun as that is what the thread is about.
Back to serious things. I like both countries, however Egypt has a point here;

"They have many rivers and receive around 950bcm of rain water annually. We receive a paltry 55bcm, half of what we actually need"


Ideally they should come to an agreement which hopefully allows Egypt a decent share. If not, I'd hate to think what can happen.


Let's be very realistic here, the only course of action to solve this was from military POV. They should've gotten a good idea within the 1st 2-3 years these talks were going no where, and running to UN/US/WWF/Austin Powers, etc., wasn't going to solve their problem. A joint effort by Sudan/Egypt should've been on the table and crushed Ethiopia but now them controlling the water way, a nations jugular vein, your left at their mercy. But this is what these sort of nations deserve who can crush their own population, torture and jail them but completely useless in external affairs.

@LeGenD
 
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Mr. Sisi dispatched his troops to Syria instead. His priorities or programming error...

Lol, it's a general trend to look the other way, and do the opposite than whats required.

I have no idea how the Islamic World went down in critical thinking and planning.

I remember the saying of Napoleon Bonaparte:
“To have good soldiers, a nation must always be at war.”

My dad said to me once about our state of affairs: Kanjra da picha lag ka, isat gua lie
 
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The dam was financed by China. China's goal is to drive rivalry and hatred between African countries. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. The reason China decided to build a dam instead of solar power in sun rich Ethiopia is for a reason. This way a weak Africa is rip for exploitation by China.
 
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The dam was financed by China. China's goal is to drive rivalry and hatred between African countries. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. The reason China decided to build a dam instead of solar power in sun rich Ethiopia is for a reason. This way a weak Africa is rip for exploitation by China.
Are you not an overseas Chinese Canadian with a weird love of everything Russian? :lol:. You are the weirdest and most confused member on here for sure. :rofl:
 
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Egypt should take this issue more seriously than Libya but again dictators are mostly puppets and only serve their masters. The masters damn care abt water for poor Egyptians.
 
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Is this obligatory? Any sovereign country has the right to build whatever they want to within their boundaries, as far as i know

No, but it's good will. I'm not sure the Ethiopians have thought long term about this. What happens when you corner an animal that has no means to escape, let's say a rat, they usually scurry away. Corner one, it will rip yoru face off.

Having a starving nation, with plenty of manpower and solid military hardware in a desperate state i.e. they have to attack or their women and kids die of hunger is a situation which will lead to war. That damm will be gone and Ethiopia will be left fighting a war of attrition, you also have the situation with Eritrea, peace is only two years old (2018 deal). The Badme region is still very tense, they will take advantage of it, then it will look very bleak.
 
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