Egypt China Sign Arms Contracts

[Shotgunner51]

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Egypt and China have an active economic relationship. In the three years since 2013, China agreed to give Egypt CNY 150m ($24.4m) to support social and economic projects. The total value of Chinese development aid programmes in Egypt amounts to $120.3m in non-refundable grants and $304.5m in concessional loans.

Before Al-Sisi’s visit to China, a Chinese presidential envoy to Egypt announced his country’s intention to establish a “comprehensive strategic partnership” with Egypt. .. Al-Sisi expressed his desire for increased Chinese investment, referring specifically to the development of the Suez Canal zone.

Irregards of whether a new arms deal is going to materialize or not I believe the economic partnership, specifically trade, infrastructure investment, agriculture and manufacturing will further boost between the two countries. Egypt has a sizable economy, recording the 4th largest GDP after KSA, UAE and Iran among MENA countries (Israel's GDP not included). In particular I believe investment will go into the Suez Canal Zone, one key growth engine for Egyptian economy.

man 80% of people barely have enough to eat and here money is being poured into defence for decades.

Yes lots of money has been poured into defense, but much of it is US military aid so the spend by Egyptian people is limited. See this as American taxpayers paying for protection of a "foreign" country aka Israel from Egypt an Arabic military leader, and you connect rest of the dots.

Egypt has maintained consistent growth over the years even during the 2008-2009 international financial crisis, achieving a close to middle-income country stage of development (WB2013 record, GDP per capita $3,314.5), fairly high literacy and much reduced poverty, malnutrition.

Naturally there are still challenges ahead to overcome, and I wish deeper economic tie with countries like China will help facilitate economic growth.

@Armstrong any opinion?

 

[Shotgunner51]

My friend, i wonder if you have ever gone to Egypt and seen the straggering level of poverty, unemployment. Over 80% of the population is living at or below the poverty line. if the breadsubsidies were to be removed today; those masses would starve.
Money is for decades being diverted from the education and health to this black hole. There are parallel economies in egypt at play; that which is run by the junta and other which is by ordinary people or parastatal.

I wouldn't say their economy is exactly vibrant ($3,314.5 is slightly below middle income) but neither have I got a chance to see Egypt in person till now, though love to see the this ancient civilisation whenever I get a chance. Now if they are in such financial trouble as you said then I just wish they can progress forward faster, and still hope a closer economic tie might benefit both countries!

Apparently 35 years of US military paid by American taxpayers have only served two purposes: protection of Israel, and thick wallets of a handful of MIC's. Maybe some middlemen can made a few bucks, but most people are definitely irrelevant to it. If something is wrong, then is it time for a change?

 

[denel]

I wouldn't say their economy is exactly vibrant ($3,314.5 is slightly below middle income) but neither have I got a chance to see Egypt in person till now, though love to see the this ancient civilisation whenever I get a chance. Now if they are in such financial trouble as you said then I just wish they can progress forward faster, and still hope a closer economic tie might benefit both countries!

Apparently 35 years of US military paid by American taxpayers have only served two purposes: protection of Israel, and thick wallets of a handful of MIC's. Maybe some middlemen can made a few bucks, but most people are definitely irrelevant to it. If something is wrong, then is it time for a change?

Unfortunately, they have created such a complex web of red tape for any kind of business that you will literally down in it. Only those who are connected to the elite have the ability to get anywhere. There is great potential but it is a huge tragedy in every sense of the word right from the 50s, the army has held the entire populace at noose soffocating any growth. To keep unemployment down, they have tonnes of ministries and they created lots of economic ventures that are owned and operated by the military; all the military force leadership retires and lands up going there. If you even try to open any possible competitive product, you will be shut down. The population at large suffered.
Look, I see China all over southern africa and they are doing really great work. I have seen at first hand when Tazara railway was put into place from Zambia to Dar-es-salam and I also travelled on it. China has its interests and it is up to the other country if it wants to seek benefit from it. Regretfully for the size of the country, population, it is a tragedy.
Ignore Nigeria in terms of GDP where over 80% of the income is sucked up and disappears, the economy of South Africa alone is equal to entire continent's economy including Egypt. The difference is priorities and allowing the economic engine to proper in conjuction with rule of law. In Egypt, the army has solely been the culprit which has destroyed that country and holds it back from progressing. What i am trying to say is - yes invest in defence but it must be apportional to the needs of the population. Is there a need to purchase tonnes of military hardware which benefits only a select few and what jobs does it create - it may be temporary but it is self defeating at the end.

 

[MICA]

Dear brother, ignore this South African troll. All he does on PDF is writing nonsense about Arabs. He has serious complexes towards Arabs. A small minority of our Black friends have that. Please ignore his rants as he does not know what he is blabbering about. He is writing similar bullshit about KSA and many other Arab countries too. Just report him.

Good to see Arab-Chinese cooperation.

tamam , good to know that he got some mental issues to ignore him in future

 

[BordoEnes]

A sad thing relations between Turkey and Egypte went sour, would have love to see TAI Anka in egyptian service. Maybe there will be some chance in policy after the elections, though i highly doubt it.

 

[MICA]

A sad thing relations between Turkey and Egypte went sour, would have love to see TAI Anka in egyptian service. Maybe there will be some chance in policy after the elections, though i highly doubt it.

if only erdogan put his tongue in his mouth and stop the interfere in our politics , i was hoping for future projects together but that's not gonna happen till this guy go away anywhere

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

A sad thing relations between Turkey and Egypte went sour, would have love to see TAI Anka in egyptian service. Maybe there will be some chance in policy after the elections, though i highly doubt it.

i wished for that too but erdogan supporters only political islam and his mission is to see them rule by any means including arms
a shame

Irregards of whether a new arms deal is going to materialize or not I believe the economic partnership, specifically trade, infrastructure investment, agriculture and manufacturing will further boost between the two countries. Egypt has a sizable economy, recording the 4th largest GDP after KSA, UAE and Iran among MENA countries (Israel's GDP not included). In particular I believe investment will go into the Suez Canal Zone, one key growth engine for Egyptian economy.



Yes lots of money has been poured into defense, but much of it is US military aid so the spend by Egyptian people is limited. See this as American taxpayers paying for protection of a "foreign" country aka Israel from Egypt an Arabic military leader, and you connect rest of the dots.

Egypt has maintained consistent growth over the years even during the 2008-2009 international financial crisis, achieving a close to middle-income country stage of development (WB2013 record, GDP per capita $3,314.5), fairly high literacy and much reduced poverty, malnutrition.

Naturally there are still challenges ahead to overcome, and I wish deeper economic tie with countries like China will help facilitate economic growth.

@Armstrong any opinion?

ok i just have some more points
1 it makes sense now to add to our firepower every one can see the threats all around us
2 our economy just needs a brave man to make the right economic reforms which should have happened in the 80s but sadly sadat backed down and mubark did not do the right thing too
3 Egypt and China cooperation can bring great profit for us all Egyptian location and manpower can be a base for chineese exports to africa and europe and the middle east and we need the technology and investments
4 the main problem after 25 jan 2011 is secuirty and it is getting better every day

 

[BordoEnes]

if only erdogan put his tongue in his mouth and stop the interfere in our politics , i was hoping for future projects together but that's not gonna happen till this guy go away anywhere

Impossible. Went it comes to abusing and milking ideology, AKP knows full well how to take advantage of any political shift in power regardless of the nation. The guy did a great job in the last decade but delusion and age is catching up to him, if relations with neighbouring/middle-eastern countries wish to be restored, Erdogan must indeed go away.

 

[Akasa]

Seems like the Chinese have set up shop right when US-Egypt relations are at a low. Strategic thinkers, they are.

 

[denel]

Why will a south african like you have to get into Arabic discussion stuff with Arab members on here? Yes I personally know Arabic countries in the Middle East look down on blacks as the lowest of lows, they also do that with anybody with a dark skin, whether Bangladeshi, Indian or wherever. So it's not limited to sub Saharan Africans .
So my advice to you my brother is to just discuss military matters we are discussing here and stick with it, going into social and economic situation of Egypt or any Arab country will only bring you trouble/attacks and black insults, so stick with topic.

Hey Mike, ja... not worth even comment here. let them sort out their problems if ever they can.
how are you doing.... long time.

 

[Taygibay]

@denel , in all truth, you're a tad hard to fathom, man!

Egypt is an african country not an arab country.

Actually, it's both!

Sorry pal - if you give me any racist slurr, i will put your donkey *** into the sands where it belongs.

Donkey azz? Really? If you were truly not racist, you'd never need to answer that way in the first place!
Just sayin'

You keep on refering to us as Blacks - instead of africans - get your coloured lenses out

Well, Black is not an insult ( as you said yourself ) and not all Africans are Black, that's true!
But since you negated Egypt's Arabian dominant, maybe you could cut him some slack in reverse, hum?

Nearly all arabs of arabia (not to mention north africa) had african mothers.

Care to provide a link? Apart from the fact that we ( humans ) are all of African descent which is a given.

when you say black.... those souls your ancestor had enslaved and raped.

Lots of people did that actually, including mostly Africans themselves and it's still ongoing!

with a fellow chinese.

Fellow? Maybe you have colored glasses as well for you seem to see life in yellow …
( no disrespect intended to any Asian by that "color" ) for you mention China often enough.

That, more than racism, may explain why folks around here find you suspect? You're often seen as
pushing the Celestials down everyone's throat, in particular Arabs more often than not.
And also being so opinionated about ( against ) their own homelands?

Let's all get back to mili acquisitions, shall we?

Have great day all, Tay.

 

[Shotgunner51]

ok i just have some more points
1 it makes sense now to add to our firepower every one can see the threats all around us
2 our economy just needs a brave man to make the right economic reforms which should have happened in the 80s but sadly sadat backed down and mubark did not do the right thing too
3 Egypt and China cooperation can bring great profit for us all Egyptian location and manpower can be a base for chineese exports to africa and europe and the middle east and we need the technology and investments
4 the main problem after 25 jan 2011 is secuirty and it is getting better every day

Good points made here, thanks!

Yes, co-operation between Egypt and China on defense equipments began in 1979, and have a lot of new opportunities as well, say self-propelled howitzers, MBT, UAV, SAM, AWAC, frigate, corvettes to infantry arms.

While the governments are about to promote the bilateral relationship to a new level, I believe Chinese investments will follow suite and increase tremendously, especially in areas like infrastructure (energy, transport, grid etc), and manufacturing (export to Egypt's vicinity like MENA, Sub-Saharan Africa, southern Europe). As defense fans here, let's see whether the two countries will co-produce defense equipments as well!

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@denel , in all truth, you're a tad hard to fathom, man!

Actually, it's both!


Donkey azz? Really? If you were truly not racist, you'd never need to answer that way in the first place!
Just sayin'


Well, Black is not an insult ( as you said yourself ) and not all Africans are Black, that's true!
But since you negated Egypt's Arabian dominant, maybe you could cut him some slack in reverse, hum?


Care to provide a link? Apart from the fact that we ( humans ) are all of African descent which is a given.


Lots of people did that actually, including mostly Africans themselves and it's still ongoing!


Fellow? Maybe you have colored glasses as well for you seem to see life in yellow …
( no disrespect intended to any Asian by that "color" ) for you mention China often enough.

That, more than racism, may explain why folks around here find you suspect? You're often seen as
pushing the Celestials down everyone's throat, in particular Arabs more often than not.
And also being so opinionated about ( against ) their own homelands?

Let's all get back to mili acquisitions, shall we?

Have great day all, Tay.

Perfectly put. Just take a look at his user history (posting history) and the RECENT anti-Arab comments that he posted in another thread. He is simply an obsessive anti-Arab troll with inferiority complexes who is doing nothing but trolling on Arab topics. Happened 100's of times before. That's why I have no tolerance for him or his lies about me or Arabs hating Blacks. Nothing could be further from the truth.

He should be banned from this section and from all threads that concern Arab matters. Simple as that.

Us Arabs have excellent relations with 99% of all Sub-Saharan/Horner users here and those African users are all from Somalia, Ethiopia and Eritrea.

That "Mike is Back" troll is similar as his South African "friend" here. As evident by his nonsense post in this very thread.

Cheers.

Good points made here, thanks!

Yes, co-operation between Egypt and China on defense equipments began in 1979, and have a lot of new opportunities as well, say self-propelled howitzers, MBT, UAV, SAM, AWAC, frigate, corvettes to infantry arms.

While the governments are about to promote the bilateral relationship to a new level, I believe Chinese investments will follow suite and increase tremendously, especially in areas like infrastructure (energy, transport, grid etc), and manufacturing (export to Egypt's vicinity like MENA, Sub-Saharan Africa, southern Europe). As defense fans here, let's see whether the two countries will co-produce defense equipments as well!

This thread might interest you speaking about cooperation.

GCC and China sign deal to boost cooperation

An excellent Arabist called @Wholegrain (Chinese user) was once active here on PDF but sadly he is not anymore. We miss him here.

Cooperation between China and the Arab world is absolutely crucial and I am a big supporter of that. So this news is very encouraging. Tons of potential. Also it's interesting to notice that Han Chinese and Arabs are the two largest ethnic groups in the world. Our ties with China date back millenniums. Long before Islam. Since we are no rivals and had almost always had cordial ties the only option should be mutual cooperation.

 

[Shotgunner51]

This thread might interest you speaking about cooperation.

GCC and China sign deal to boost cooperation

An excellent Arabist called @Wholegrain (Chinese user) was once active here on PDF but sadly he is not anymore. We miss him here.

Cooperation between China and the Arab world is absolutely crucial and I am a big supporter of that. So this news is very encouraging. Tons of potential. Also it's interesting to notice that Han Chinese and Arabs are the two largest ethnic groups in the world. Our ties with China date back millenniums. Long before Islam. Since we are no rivals and had almost always had cordial ties the only option should be mutual cooperation.

Thanks, that's a good read! It will be nice to have a Chinese Arabist here wouldn't it? Though I can't be qualified an Arabist, since a kid I am always fascinated by the beautiful stories of Arabic world throughout its millennia of glorious history.

Yes, being the two largest ethnic groups in the world, and not rival of one another, the two should definitely go closer for the mutual betterment. This also reminds me of a famous view from the west, Samuel Huttington's "Clash of Civilization", in which the Arabic/Islam World, the Confucian East and the Christian West are competing for re-making of world order. I am not sure if that view is well bought by western policy makers, however judging from their acts we have seen so far neither the Arabic World nor China should relax alert on what's next might be coming.

Let's strengthen our ties, advanced our economy, and keep our defense capability adequate to counter any aggression.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@denel and @Saif al-Arab
cool it both of you take a leave from this thread yourself
I wont be dealing any more of your infighting and will close the thread