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Echoes of Kargil: China intrusion can lead to India losing DBO link

do agree there are some rumours of indian casualties too .


Possibly ... but just look at the trend we are seeing. India is suffering a number of tactical defeats resulting in a overall strategic failure.


27 feb was a tactical rout for the Indians which morphed in to a strategic failure for India.


- from military view it could not dominate Pakistan, hence the Indian military could not disturb us for well over a year. Their western friends were not impressed with indian military as one western defense analyst accurately described

“India’s incompetence did not go unnoticed in the West”

- political failure- it could not get the world to condemn Pakistan for the rebel attack on 44 Indian soldiers. As intel and world scrutiny increased it was clear there was no linkage with Pakistan.

- failure at FATF despite all the huffing and puffing to get us black listed, many members saw India’s dirty politics in its lobbying. One of the ideas of FATF is to improve documentation and controls which in end is good for all countries, Pakistan was issue Darr screwing our laws and general issues of inefficiency with governance and control , there was no deliberate attempt by Pakistan to fail at FATF requirements.

- narrative defeat - no body was accepting India’s version at face value.. while a lot has to be done this event gave a boost to our narrative also much thanks to Imran khan above average performance in foreign affairs
 
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Reminds me of restaurants in China where you decide what to eat just by looking at the pictures of the dishes, because you can't read the language. Okay - Picture 2 it is!


so the chinese just looked at indian controlled land... and then the land became theirs?.... perfect!

it matches your theory.. that there was no incursion... none needed. The chinese just looked and it became theirs...
 
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According to this Indian analyst, the advantages are with the Chines, and LAC will be like LOC...



Truth speakers have no value in the land of hypocrites.

Ajai shukla is not a reliable source. He is married to a Congress leader. That is like believing Jana Sangh about Indira Gandhi govt during 1971 war

Hypocricy level 999999999



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Whats keeping you from reading OP?

get a dose of reality and stop living like a zombie to your media

What are 10,000 Chinese troops doing in India?
https://www.rediff.com/news/special/what-are-10000-chinese-troops-doing-in-india/20200602.htm

https://eurasiantimes.com/india-chi...-dangerous-as-1999-kargil-incursions-experts/
 
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Ajai shukla is not a reliable source. He is married to a Congress leader. That is like believing Jana Sangh about Indira Gandhi govt during 1971 war

Any denial by government of India of losing 60 sq kms of territory to China?

:disagree::disagree::disagree::agree:

This You called credible

No Chinese ‘occupation’. Geolocated images show fast in-and-out intrusions by India and China

https://theprint.in/opinion/no-chin...s-show-fast-in-and-out-intrusions/433209/?amp


Any denial by Indian government that they have not lost 60 sq kms of territory to China?

Mind you, this is nothing new. Been happening over the years. Its called salami slicing. Its been acknowledged by Indian government in past as well. You have already lost 2000 sq Kms to China over the years and that was a very old news. What is the true extent now, is anybody guess. So by going this trend, 60 sq kms territory being lost to China to be fair, by Indian standards, is miniscule.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...brahma-chellaney-2017-06?barrier=accesspaylog

Bite by kilometer-size bite, China is eating away at India’s Himalayan borderlands. For decades, Asia’s two giants have fought a bulletless war for territory along their high-altitude border. Recently, though, China has become more assertive, underscoring the need for a new Indian containment strategy.

On average, China launches one stealth incursion into India every 24 hours. Kiren Rijiju, India’s Minister of State for Home Affairs, says the People’s Liberation Army is actively intruding into vacant border space with the objective of occupying it. And according to a former top official with India’s Intelligence Bureau, India has lost nearly 2,000 square kilometers to PLA encroachments over the last decade.


 
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Any denial by government of India of losing 60 sq kms of territory to China? Any denial by Indian government that they have not lost 60 sq kms of territory to China?
Mind you, this is nothing new. Been happening over the years. Its called salami slicing. Its been acknowledged by Indian government in past as well. You have already lost 2000 sq Kms to China over the years and that was a very old news. What is the true extent now, is anybody guess. So by going this trend, 60 sq kms territory being lost to China to be fair, by Indian standards, is miniscule.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...brahma-chellaney-2017-06?barrier=accesspaylog

Bite by kilometer-size bite, China is eating away at India’s Himalayan borderlands. For decades, Asia’s two giants have fought a bulletless war for territory along their high-altitude border. Recently, though, China has become more assertive, underscoring the need for a new Indian containment strategy.

On average, China launches one stealth incursion into India every 24 hours. Kiren Rijiju, India’s Minister of State for Home Affairs, says the People’s Liberation Army is actively intruding into vacant border space with the objective of occupying it. And according to a former top official with India’s Intelligence Bureau, India has lost nearly 2,000 square kilometers to PLA encroachments over the last decade.

Yet, some folks blame the Pak Ordu for the East Pak debacle!! With only 40K active forces and without any proper artillery/armor/air support, fighting against India (with the fullest USSR support possible) along with 100K+ BD insurgents - armed by all the Soviet block countries including Egypt - in the midst of 10s of millions of hostile brain washed people in a isolated swampy land, completely cut-off from the mainland by 1000+ miles by none other than India herself!!! For 9 long months they held 2500+ miles long border with losing proportionally much less land than what India has lost in this recent bout...
 
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keep dreaming .:enjoy:
What you have lost while you were sleeping cannot be returned to with negotiations your after your eyes have openend. Yu have to come and fght for it inch-by-inch.

Yet, some folks blame the Pak Ordu for the East Pak debacle!! With only 40K active forces and without any proper artillery/armor/air support, fighting against India (with the fullest USSR support possible) along with 100K+ BD insurgents - armed by all the Soviet block countries including Egypt - in the midst of 10s of millions of hostile brain washed people in a isolated swampy land, completely cut-off from the mainland by 1000+ miles by none other than India herself!!! For 9 long months they held 2500+ miles long border without losing proportionally much less land than what India has lost in this recent bout...
Performance of Pakistan Armed Forces in 1971 War
Talking with Karan Thapar on BBC's Face-to-Face about the 1971 India-Pakistan war, India's Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw said as follows:


"About the 5th day of the (1971) conflict in (East Pakistan)...everything had gone wrong (for India); the (Indian) Navy had lost the Khukri; Our (India) Air Force has lost a lot of aircraft on the ground; my (Indian Army's) advances in Bangladesh were halted......The Pakistan Army in East Pakistan fought very gallantly but they had no chance; they were a thousand miles away from their base; I had 8 or 9 months of preparation; I had almost 50:1 advantage; they had no chance but they fought very gallantly."


Clearly, Indian Army Chief Sam Manekshaw was the victor of the 1971 war but he also was honest in acknowledging the fact that he had all the advantages over his enemy Pakistan....in fact, he said he had "almost 50:1 advantage".


In addition to praising Pakistan Army's gallantry, the Field Marshal also mentioned the losses suffered by the Indian Air Force and the Indian Navy. Let's look at what he was talking about.
 
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Indian Army Permanent positions at Pangong Tso :rofl:
:rofl::disagree::disagree:claimed by Chinese is under India's control

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The new blog entry by Shukla, equalling it to the intrusion of Pakistan in to Kargil.

PLA troops in the Galwan Valley now overlook the strategic road to Daulat Beg Oldi, giving them the capability to cut it off

By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 1st June 20


In what the army is recognizing as a repeat of Pakistan’s 1999 Kargil intrusions, but this time by China in eastern Ladakh, troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) continue consolidating their defences in the Galwan River and Pangong Lake areas, up to three kilometres (km) inside territory that the Indian Army has patrolled and claimed for decades.

Just as the Kargil intrusions allowed Pakistani troops to dominate the Srinagar-Zojila-Kargil-Leh highway and threatened to cut off Ladakh from the north; the Chinese intrusion into the Galwan River valley allows PLA troops to overlook the strategic Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) highway and cut off the army’s lone year-round connection with its isolated “Sub-Sector North” (SSN), at the base of the Karakoram Pass.

PLA soldiers that have established themselves at the mouth of the Galwan River valley at its confluence with the Shyok River are just one-and-a-half kilometres from the DSDBO road. They overlook the road, which winds along the Shyok River valley, and can bring down artillery and missile fire to prevent its use.

The PLA apparently intends to dominate this road permanently. Even as top Chinese officials declare the issue can be resolved through dialogue, PLA intruders are building bunkers while PLA engineers are connecting their forward troops with China’s formidable road infrastructure on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Government sources conservatively estimate that the PLA has captured more than 60 square kilometres of Indian-patrolled territory in the last month – equally divided between the northern bank of the Pangong Lake and the Galwan River sectors.

Chinese troops now block access to several Indian “Patrolling Points” (PPs) along the LAC, which Indian army patrols have regularly visited for decades to assert their claim over the area. Amongst them are PP-14, 16, 18 and 19.

At this time of the year, when the risk of Chinese intrusions is highest, it has been customary for the army’s Udhampur-based Northern Command to move reserve formations into the area, ostensibly for “training exercises”. But this year, reserve troops were retained in their peacetime locations because of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Consequently, there has been a dire shortage of reserve troops to react to the PLA’s multiple intrusions. By the time the northern army was able to move reserves into the area, the PLA had already consolidated its hold over its newly acquired positions.

Army headquarters in New Delhi is coming round to the view that top generals in Ladakh have been caught napping. There is growing talk about replacing the corps commander in Leh, and even the northern army commander in Udhampur.

After the Kargil intrusions of 1999, which an enquiry blamed on “intelligence failure”, not a single general lost his job or was replaced. The army pinned the entire blame on a single brigadier in Kargil.

A retired defence intelligence chief, speaking anonymously, blames the current situation on an intelligence, as well as an operational failure. “The Chinese have always been ultra-sensitive to India expanding its presence in northern Ladakh. That is because this adjoins the Aksai Chin, through which China has constructed its strategic Western Highway that connects Tibet with Xinjiang. When we built the 255-kilometre DBDSO Road through this area, why did the army not deploy troops on the eastern side of the Shyok, especially in the Galwan Valley, to protect the eastern approaches from the Chinese side?” he says.

The officer cites the Chinese intrusion in 2013 into Depsang, in the Daulat Beg Oldi sector, soon after India activated a landing ground there and beefed up troop numbers.

Within the army, there is growing concern that New Delhi will allow the Chinese to retain the territory they have occupied in the last month. In public statements last week, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has already conceded that the alignment of the LAC, and therefore the ownership of territory, is unclear in this area.




ECHOS OF EAST INDIA COMPANY , COMMING FROM EAST.

THIS TIME ITS EAST CHINA COMPANY,,


NEXT SLAVE CARAVAN HAS ALL READY STARTED, FIRST STOP IS PAKISTAN,
 
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ECHOS OF EAST INDIA COMPANY , COMMING FROM EAST.

THIS TIME ITS EAST CHINA COMPANY,,


NEXT SLAVE CARAVAN HAS ALL READY STARTED, FIRST STOP IS PAKISTAN,
Yep!!! The Muslim ghettos in the great Indian cities, where deaths are celebrated and births are cursed, are issuing clarion calls for more inhabitants...
 
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Either you are absolutely dumb or like to act on purpose to not have to face reality.
Pick one.
And Act as If you know Place of Incursion
You Don't Even Know the facts For matter Were Finger 4 finger or finger 8 on MAP or Lake is
 
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