Dwarka : Myth or reality?

[Rafi]

Thanks mate, that was what we been also saying all along.

The name is always refered to a geographical region. like Russia is called to a geographical location east to Europe north to central asia.

Thanks again.

No Russia is a nation - india has never been a nation until 6 odd decades ago.

 

[Rafi]

You provided some Pakistani website. I requested some credible source. So I'm still waiting for a credible source of your claim that Pakistan was existed before 1947. Thanks. Hope you would reply.

Don't cry indian because our history does not belong to you.

 

[SpArK]

No Russia is a nation - india has never been a nation until 6 odd decades ago.

Was pakistan too?/ it was divided into different rulers fighting too.

So ur point is wrong altogether from the start.

 

[Shak_ed]

No Russia is a nation - india has never been a nation until 6 odd decades ago.

Pakistan was not a nation until 1971, 19th ecntury maps shows India..do you have any map showing pakistan before 1947??

 

[Rafi]

Pakistan was not a nation until 1971, 19th ecntury maps shows India..do you have any map showing pakistan before 1947??

It shows the colony of the British Empire.

 

[Truth Teller]

Asia's First Civilizations - India And China

Introduction

Like Sumer, Egypt, and other early civilizations in the Middle East,
civilizations first developed in East and South Asia in the vicinity of great
river systems. When irrigated by the massive spring floods of the Yellow
River, the rich soil of the North China plain proved a superb basis for what
has been the largest and most enduring civilization in human history.
Civilization first developed in the Indus River valley in present-day Pakistan
in the middle of the 3d millennium B.C., more than a thousand years earlier
than it did in China. In fact, the civilization of the Indus valley, usually
called Harappan after its chief city, rivals Sumer and Egypt as humanity's
oldest. But like Sumer and its successor civilizations in the Middle East,
Harappan civilization was unable to survive natural catastrophes and nomadic
invasions. In contrast to the civilization of the Shang rulers in China around
1500 B.C., Harappa vanished from history. Until the mid-19th century it was
"lost" or forgotten, even by the peoples who lived in the vicinity of its
sand-covered ruins. Important elements of Harappan society were transmitted to
later civilizations in the Indian subcontinent. But unlike the Shang kingdom,
Harappa did not survive to be the core and geographical center from which a
unified and continuous civilization developed like that found in China. The
difference in the fate of these two great civilizations provides one of the
key questions in dealing with the history of civilized societies: What factors
permitted some civilizations to endure for millennia while others rose and
fell within a few centuries?

Between about 1500 and 1000 B.C., as the great cities of the Indus region
crumbled into ruins, nomadic Aryan invaders from central Asia moved into the
fertile Indus plains and pushed into the Ganges River valleys to the east. It
took these unruly, warlike peoples many centuries to build a civilization that
rivaled that of the Harappans. The Aryans concentrated on assaulting Harappan
settlements and different Aryan tribal groups. As peoples who depended
primarily on great herds of cattle to provide their subsistence, they had
little use for the great irrigation works and advanced agricultural technology
of the Indus valley peoples. Though they conserved some Harappan beliefs and
symbols, the Aryan invaders did little to restore or replace the great cities
and engineering systems of the peoples they had supplanted.

Eventually, however, many of the Aryan groups began to settle down, and
increasingly they relied on farming to support their communities. By about 700
B.C., their priests had begun to orally record the sacred hymns and ritual
incantations that had long been central to Aryan culture. In the following
centuries, strong warrior leaders built tribunal units into larger kingdoms.
The emergence of priestly and warrior elites signaled the beginning of a new
pattern of civilization in South Asia. By the 6th century B.C., the renewal of
civilized life in India was marked by the emergence of great world religions,
such as Hinduism and Buddhism, and a renewal of trade, urban life, and
splendid artistic and architectural achievements.

The early development of civilization in China combined the successive
phases of advancement of Mesopotamian history with the continuity of Egyptian
civilization. Civilization in China coalesced around 1500 B.C. Chinese
civilization emerged gradually out of Neolithic farming and potterymaking
cultures that had long been present in the Yellow River region of East Asia.
The establishment of the Shang kingdom at this point in time gave political
expression to a combination of civilizing trends. The appearance of a
distinctive and increasingly specialized elite supported by the peasant
majority of the Chinese people, the growth of towns and the first cities, the
spread of trade, and the formulation of a written language all indicated that
a major civilization was emerging in China.

Though the political dominance of the Shang came to an end in 1122 under
the new royal house of the Zhou, civilized development in China was enriched
and extended as the Chinese people migrated east and south from their original
Yellow River heartland. By the end of the Zhou era, which would last
officially until 256 B.C., many of the central elements in Chinese
civilization, one of humankind's oldest, were firmly established. Some of
those elements have persisted to the present day.

Nowhere in this link does is say/prove the Harappan has anything to do with modern-day India. Too see the remains of Harappan you will have to visit Punjab, Pakistan.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Exactly right brother, this is the truth there was never a nation called "middle east" and there was never a nation called "india" until 1947.

hahaha..... even there was no India before 1947 how could there be pakistan with a 9000 yr old civilization ?? dont make urself a laughing stock

 

[Major Ram]

Don't cry indian because our history does not belong to you.

I requested a credible source that Pakistan was existed before 1947. Why don't you provided that link and shut my mouth up?

 

[Shak_ed]

Nowhere in this link does is say/prove the Harappan has anything to do with modern-day India. Too see the remains of Harappan you will have to visit Punjab, Pakistan.

You can never shut the world from saying , Indian civilization belongs India no matter how hard you shout on this Forum...before Osama case, no one even knew if something called pakistan exist in this world...

 

[Rafi]

Pakistans known history starts with the Mehrgarh culture 9000 years ago, followed by the Indus Valley civilisation which arose 5000 years ago. See map below:

 

[Dharmachakra]

Holy Moly.....

I cant believe that this topic surfaced even here too...
Interestingly I attended a couple of seminars that were related to the civilisations before civiliastions.

The talk is simple. Take a circle and mark 4 nodes in equal intervals.
Call them as follows: 1) Satyuga 2)Tretayuga 3) Dvapara Yuga 4) Kali yuga.
These 4 yugas are the 4 nodes on the circle. If you put a clockwise directional arrow on it they follow accordingly.

No arechologist or historian ever predicted or calculated the exact duration of each yuga. Hence we have to take them at the face value of what was told in vedas.
And each yuga is like a phase that includes a begining of a civilisation to its rise and then its demise. Hence it means we been through 3 such phases before.

But how advanced those previous civilisations are yet to be known.

Because in todays world every one links everything to science. Hey but if I prove A+B=C today, someone next day will prove A-B=C. since has its own failed theories and worng doings. Science in its field is still nascent and is still evolving. When we are still into learning the basics of physcis on how an atoms develops and how a nuetrio acts, you know what? will come back after a couple of hundred years to take the science at its face value. Till then lets go with vedas which are the ancient of all texts and talks about pretty much everything.

Aper my own research and follow-up , I found that Dwaraka was a city over the sea built with the re-claimed land from the sea. Technically they built a city by pouring soil and sand into the sea.This is feasible, but not as sturdy as the cities built on solid land .

But the indian archeological dep samples dates back to 10,000-12000 years....... our scriptures say, the fall of dwaraka cant be attributed to the end of phase 3 which is Dvaparayuga. Mahabharata war tookout millions of lives .The fight between brothers, fathers and sons might have led to the sudden fall in populations.And the use of weaponry and its after math might have killed many more. And then a sudden catastrophe has took out the whole civilisation in the sub-continent leaving a hand-full alive just to pass on the history.

But placing bets on a civilisation that has existed before the birth of this current one is akin to beleiving in god.

This is how the Indian plate moved over the years.
And a majority of its landmass was now under the sea bed.Which can be attributed to either rise in sea level or tsunamis wiping out the coastal zones. It was well known that the early cities were all coastal cities.

There is this place in andhra pradesh.It was my buddies home town. IT was once ruled by Cholas and then a tsunami wiped out the whole city.Infact the city was 18 km away from the coast. Yet the whole city was wiped out. And a new town was developed on the ruins. If someone wants to build a house and tries to digg the ground, they often encountered the temple shikaras that were lying some 100-200 ft under the ground level. It also recently grabbed the eyes of archeology dept and they started digging the sand out, finding horse and elephant stables atleast couple of thousand years old and so on......

The problem with archeological avidences is that, we never take them as granted untill found.We dont even know if there was a ruined city under the ground of new Mumbai. Unless and untill some excavations are carried out. And we need much more technological advancements to find out what has happened in the past.

The current coastline of India used to be atleast 50-100kms into the Indian ocean. But gradually its loosing all the coastline over the years.

My conclusion is,Dwaraka is a reality and cant simply justify as a myth even beyond groing through numerous proofs.

 

[SpArK]

Pakistans known history starts with the Mehrgarh culture 9000 years ago, followed by the Indus Valley civilisation which arose 5000 years ago. See map below:

We have shown u few other maps. So why should we look at ur false map?

 

[Fireurimagination]

Don't cry indian because our history does not belong to you.

Even the Pak link you have provided says for hundreds of years you were Hindus, so what happened to we don't have to do anything with you? LOL

 

[Shak_ed]

VARIOUS INDIAN CIVILIZATIONS

INDIAN MIRROR - HISTORY OF INDIA-Various Civilizations

 

[Shak_ed]

Influence of Indian Civilization



Influence of Indian Civilization. The civilization in the Indian Subcontinent had been highly developed since ancient time. When trades became flourished between the East and the West, the Indian traders sailed to this region to establish Indian trading posts in order to collect goods and products during the off monsoon season. These traders brought with them their civilization, cultures, philosophy and religions, which were mostly appreciated and adopted by the less developed indigenous people.

The Indian post was somewhat unlike the "colony" during the colonial period, as it was rarely meant to involve in politics of the native land. The Indians were concerned mainly in trading and in collecting goods from the local to sell in distant lands.

The excavation at Eo Oc, a Funanese main port lying in South Vietnam today, revealed that the region was one of the prominent transitory points between the West and the East, and the trading connection between the two distant continents was well established. The unearthed artifacts at Eo Oc disclosed those goods originated from as far as the Roman Empire in the West and the Chinese civilization in the Far East.

During those days, the indigenous people were far less civilized than the Indian travelers and it was not surprising to find that they accepted many aspects from their foreign folks by which they deemed to be better and beneficial. One of these aspects were the religious and cultural elements of the Indian civilization. The natives adopted Hinduism as their religion and its gods Shiva and Vishnu were revered as their supreme gods. It was also found that the Brahmins, a learned caste of India, were invited into the royal courts to help in administration during the Funan period (1st century - 613 A.D) which was a predecessor of the Khmer civilization. In addition to the religious belief, the natives also learned the engineering skills such as the irrigation system as well as stone carving from the Indian Brahmins.

The extensive activities of Indian trading in the region seem to have ceased after the fall of the Roman Empire in 5th century, however, its relics were passed on to the next generations.

When the Khmer civilization evolved in early 9th century, the Khmer inherited several elements from its predecessor as well as those from the Indian civilization. Its first king Jayavarman II crowned himself as a deva-raja or "god-king" in 802 A.D, and his regime was more or less a replica of the successful Indian monarchy. Numerous impressive temples and monuments were built throughout the empire in successive centuries in order to praise the Hindu gods. These monuments are collectively known to us as the Angkor Temples (or Khmer temples), and the most famous ones are the Angkor Wat and the Angkor Thom (Bayon), both of which resided on the vast plain of Siemreap in Cambodia.

The process through which the Indian civilization had asserted a great influence upon another civilization was termed by the historians as "Indianization". However, the Khmer had never been fully Indianized as the term suggested. Although the Khmer adopted many aspects of Indian cultural and religious elements, the way of Indian life did not penetrate deeply into the root of Khmer civilization which was consisted of the laymen who still maintained their own way of life-style.

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