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Dwarka Civilization

have yous studied from an anti hindu pro arabic Pakistani university...then its AOK!!

The human history neither started with India and Hinduism nor will end with it. The humanity evolved in Africa then migrated to most parts of the earth. These monuments were built by ancient Indians and there may be biological descendents of them alive today. South Asia has been invaded and settled by many tribes in last 12,000 years. Most of these invaders converted to Hinduism. Later many converted to Islam, Christianity and Sikhism. How can one definitely say who are direct biological descendents of people who built these monuments. You can be descendent of a tribe that invaded 2,000 years ago so not direct descendent of builders of these monuments. May be there is a Muslim on this website who be a direct descendent of builders of these monuments. My DNA/Geneteic test from Genographic/FamilyTreeDNA report says that my male ancestors were in India for last 30,000 years. What does that tell you ?
 
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The human history neither started with India and Hinduism nor will end with it. The humanity evolved in Africa then migrated to most parts of the earth. These monuments were built by ancient Indians and there may be biological descendents of them alive today. South Asia has been invaded and settled by many tribes in last 12,000 years. Most of these invaders converted to Hinduism. Later many converted to Islam, Christianity and Sikhism. How can one definitely say who are direct biological descendents of people who built these monuments. You can be descendent of a tribe that invaded 2,000 years ago so not direct descendent of builders of these monuments. May be there is a Muslim on this website who be a direct descendent of builders of these monuments. My DNA/Geneteic test from Genographic/FamilyTreeDNA report says that my male ancestors were in India for last 30,000 years. What does that tell you ?

firstly,I am not a hindu and not a fan of it.....i am a jain!!!!

secondly,Focus on the documentary and african migration theory that states that humans migrated from africa to south india and from their world got populated so every one is basically Indian apart from African continent!!
 
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Focus on the documentary and african migration theory that states that humans migrated from africa to south india and from their world got populated so every one is basically Indian apart from African continent!!

Every human is African since we evolved there. The Genographic project says that Central Asia was nursery for humans after migration from Africa and then they moved north to Europe and south to India. Let's discuss these theories and please leave your hate and anti-Islam/anti-Pakistan rants out of it.
 
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The website where these archaeological videos are taken is an anti-Muslim website. I doubt there are any website that is dedicated just to Hinduism without any anti-Muslim material. The whole Hindutva concept is based on only hating Muslims. This website demeans both Hinduism and archaeology since it mixes it with other videos with such hate. What ever is being presented in these videos which is very interesting and informative but the website stinks.

YouTube - VedicSupremeRace's Channel
Buddy do u have any idea how old Hinduism is ?Hinduism and Zoroastrianism are the two oldest surviving religion today.Hinduism has evolved over thousands of years. Islam came much later.Your claim that Hindutva is based on hating Muslims is ridiculous.
 
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Buddy do u have any idea how old Hinduism is ?Hinduism and Zoroastrianism are the two oldest surviving religion today.Hinduism has evolved over thousands of years. Islam came much later.Your claim that Hindutva is based on hating Muslims is ridiculous.

Let's make some clarifications. I make distinction between Hinduism and Hindutva. What are your views ? Are there any websites that are exclusively dedicated to Hinduism without any pro-Hindutva, anti-Islam and anti-Christianity material ?
 
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That Historical India is the cradle of civilisation is not a unique theory. This is also seen from some of the Ahadith of the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) and sayings of his companion.

Here I quote the English translation of an Indian Islamic scholar that was written before Indpendance.

According to the sayings of the Prophet’s companions such as Caliph Hazrat Ali, Ummul Momineen Hazrat Ayesha, Adam, the first human being and the first Propeht of Islam sent on earth, descended on Sarandeep island (now situated in Ceylon). Hawwa (Eve) descended somewhere in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Both, first ever inhabitants of earth, remained separated for quite some time. Wandering through the island and crossing through India, Adam reached Jeddah. And eventually their long drawn separation came to an end. Adam and Hawwa (Eve) met each other at a place called Muzdalifa (meaning meeting point in Arabic). At this place, it is obligatory on Haj pilgrims to stay put and spend one night to revive the memory of Adam and Eve’s rendezvous.

According to a tradition of Hazrat Ayesha, a red hillock had existed then at the place where now the holy K’aba stands. Adam received commandment from Allah to construct a Mosque at the same site and perform circumambulation of the mosque in the way he had witnessed angels circumambulating the Baite Ma’mur (Throne of Allah) in the heaven. Adam obyed Allah’s commandment, constructed the mosque and prayed.

After offering prayer Adam took Eve along with him, came back to India and permanently settled here. And it is from India that the progeny of Adam and Eve spread throughout the world. The incident of Habil (Abdel) and Qabil (Cain) (first ever assassination of human soul on earth) had also taken place on Indian soil. After this tragic incident, Allah blessed Adam with another son, Shish (meaning gift form Allah)

Ayodhya is a place near Faizabad which is considered the birth place of Rama, a holy place for Hindu community today, where also exists a long grave. This grave is said to be the burial place of Hazrat Shish (Allah knows the best).

It is said that Adam performed nearly forty Hajj from India, travelling on foot. Beside this he had performed seven hundred Hajj and Umrah while residing in Mecca.
India’s prominence can be now summarised as under:

(1) Since India is the place where Allah’s first Caliph (Vicegerent of Allah) descended, it has acquired the status of the first capital of entire humanity.

(2) Being the Vice Regent and the Prophet, Adam used to receive angels and revelations from Allah. Therefore, India acquires the status of being the first land where human soul ever received the enlightenment.

(3) It is India where the angel descended for the first time and thus it is this land that has the honour of receiving the first revelation of Allah.

(4) Adam’s body had been created from the clay of ‘Wajni’ area. Researchers have opined that the place Wajni used here refers to a place in India. Therefore, the distinction of a Prophet’s mortal body created by earthly clay also goes to India. Since Adam is the progenitor of human beings on earth and his mortal being was created from the Indian soil, the mortal bodies of all Prophets and holy men have been created from this earth.

(5) The soul of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had been created before Adam in the Heaven. This pious soul had to appear on earth in physical form by passing through the most pious souls of succeeding generations. This pious soul ultimately appeared on the horizon, in Makkah, Arabian Peninsula. Since Adam and his son Shish had resided in India, the soul of Prophet Muhammad received nourishment from the Indian soil as well. The couplet of Kab bin Zahir, the famous poet and companion of the Prophet, in praise of India is important and noteworthy here.

Undoubtedly the Prophet (pbuh) is the light, a source of enlightenment.
He is like a naked sword, of Indian make.


(6) Hazrat Abu Huraira narrated this Hadith from Prophet Mohammad that to console Adam, Allah had sent angel Gabriel to Adam. When he met Prophet Adam, he recited:
Allaho Akbar Allaho Akbar, Ashahado An la Ilaha Illallah, Wa Ashhado Anna Mohammadur Rasoolullah.
The recitation was the same as in Adhan (call for prayer) today. When Adam (pbuh) heard the name ‘Mohammad’, he inquired: O’ Allah! Whose name is this? Promptly came the reply: He is the one from among your progeny, who would be the last Prophet of humanity. (Tabrani, Abu Naeem, Ibn-e-A’skari).
From this tradition, it becomes clear that the descent of Gabriel on earth, the declaration of unity of Allah and His Greatness and the proclamation of Mohammad’s prophethood for the first time was made on the Indian soil, which fortunately today is our motherland.
(7) It was reported by Hazrat Abdullah Ibn-e-Abbas and Hazrat Ali that India has the largest varieties of flora because Adam first descended from Heaven on the Indian soil. It is a fact that cardamom, clove, kewra, rose, cinnamon, camphor, jasmine, strawberry, ambergris, saffron and all types of such products are found only in India. Musk and ambergris find their mention in various traditions of Prophet (PBUH). Therefore, it’s quite clear that Allah has bestowed all kinds of food grain, cereal and plants upon the land that was inhabited by Adam, the first human soul on earth.
Prophet Adam had lived in this world almost for one thousand years.

It is not necessary today to stress upon the importance of iron and iron industry in both war as well as peacetime. Today we find the pivotal role and use of iron in every walk of human life. The importance of iron has been described in the following verses of the holy Quran:
Wa anzalna hadid fiha basun shadeed wa manfeh linnas.
‘And we sent down Iron, in which is great might, as well as many benefits for mankind (Sura Al-Hadid or Iron, J. 27 A.25)’

In addition to iron as stated above, gold, silver, diamond and other metals and precious stones etc. were gifted to India in abundance. Arts and crafts, textiles, cloth weaving, building and construction, ship building activities etc. had all started in India right from the time of Adam who lived in this world for almost a thousand years and died in India. Hazrat Nooh (Noah) had spent his initial days in India and built his ark here. India, however, was safe from the great flood during his time.

In the light of the above Islamic traditions, it becomes quite apparent that importance of India can’t be denied from religious point of view. The question is: what are the duties of people residing on Indian soil? In other words, what is the demand of India from its citizens like us? The answer is the same that Palestinian Muslims have given to the Jews. The country demands that people should work hard to make it prosperous and defend it at the time of aggression from the foreign forces.



I think this is now being proven scientifically. Personally It looks like migration took place from Ceylon towards Africa, rather than beginning from Africa towards India.

Check out the picture of Gondwana land and you will see how close Africa, India and Hejaz (where mecca and medina) are located are. It is quite possible that what is mentioned above and is nowbeing proven scientifically in a way is true although you can't say it for sure.

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Let's make some clarifications. I make distinction between Hinduism and Hindutva. What are your views ? Are there any websites that are exclusively dedicated to Hinduism without any pro-Hindutva, anti-Islam and anti-Christianity material ?

We are not talking of Hindutva here. There is extremism in every religion. But I am happy that these hindutva elements are not exporting their ideals to other countries by proclaiming Jihad/whatever on all other non hindu countries. We are talking of civilization that practiced Hinduism. We are also not talking our/your ancient roots, but the origins of the culture that we still practice and place our faith in. So please keep your rants to yourself. I can also give you number of pro-islamic websites that spew hatred towards Jews, Hindus, Christians much more than we could ever do.
 
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We are not talking of Hindutva here. There is extremism in every religion. But I am happy that these hindutva elements are not exporting their ideals to other countries

The discussion started when these very informative and interesting videos were posted from Hindutva website with many anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan videos. These videos may also be available on other websites but why deliberately link them to that particular site on YouTube ? This may have done to start a flame war. I liked the videos but not links to that website.
 
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The discussion started when these very informative and interesting videos were posted from Hindutva website with many anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan videos. These videos may also be available on other websites but why deliberately link them to that particular site on YouTube ? This may have done to start a flame war. I liked the videos but not links to that website.

Are you kidding me? He just posted Youtube links. Whoever asked you visit that website. I don't think even 10% of Hindus visit those websites. You could have just watched those videos on this forum but you chose to go to that website. Also who cares who uploaded it on Youtube, if there is anti-islamic preaches in there then you should complain. Otherwise, please do not derail the thread.
 
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Every human is African since we evolved there. The Genographic project says that Central Asia was nursery for humans after migration from Africa and then they moved north to Europe and south to India. Let's discuss these theories and please leave your hate and anti-Islam/anti-Pakistan rants out of it.

that was a j/k don't take it seriously..i am not an ignorant pig!!!
 
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Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.
George Bernard Shaw
 
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India wasn't the only ancient civilization. There have been multiple migrations out of Africa not just one, in different time periods. The later migrants interacted with the earlier ones who had settled long before to give rise to the cultures that we see today.
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i watched a documentary where Indians were migrated from africa in southern regions and in the north from the side of current day Iraq. There is some thing mentioned called Somras drunken by gods on researching for which the author found a plant which is grown today in NWPF and Afghanistan which is energy giving. I forgot the name of it what it is called in local language
 
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Let's make some clarifications. I make distinction between Hinduism and Hindutva. What are your views ? Are there any websites that are exclusively dedicated to Hinduism without any pro-Hindutva, anti-Islam and anti-Christianity material ?

Nahraf - what makes you think Hinduism and Hindutva are different.?

Hindutva actually means - the way of the Hindu or the practises of the Hindu.

This term was hijacked by the pseudo-secular media to give a negative connotation.

On topic: Leaving science aside Dwarka was the abode of Lord Krishna who existed approximately 50,000 (not sure) years ago and after that a great deluge (flood) destroted and submerged the city.

And the existence of ruins of Dwarka as described exactly in the scriptures has been discovered.
 
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Many stories in various religious books are based on ancient events mixed with mythology. Some dates and figures are exaggerated and archaeology provides more clear picture. There are flood myths all over the world that may date back to glaciers melted and glacial melt water raised the sea levels. The Black Sea was created when Mediterranean Sea breached the Bosporus Strait flooded the farmland of ancient tribes that later resettled in Turkey and Europe. In any case, I believe that Hindutva is a militant movement against non-Hindus.
 
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