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LAHORE: Of the 1,184 persons killed by the American drones in 124 attacks in 2010, around 59 percent were innocent civilians while the remaining 41 percent were terrorists belonging to numerous militant groups based in the Pak-Afghan tribal belt.

According to data gathered by The News primarily from local and international news sources, 703 of those who were perished by the US drones between January 1 and December 31, 2010, were civilians, including women and children, while 481 others were commanders, fighters and activists of different militant groups. The drones hit three types of targets in the tribal belt - terrorists’ compounds, houses sheltering terrorists and vehicles carrying terrorists.

Of the 124 drone strikes, the largest number - 53 (or 43 percent of the total drone attacks) - were directed at alleged terrorists’ compounds, followed by 41 strikes (or 33 percent of the total attacks) targeting houses allegedly sheltering terrorists while the remaining 187 attacks (or 24 percent of the total strikes) were directed at vehicles which were allegedly carrying terrorists. As the velocity of the American drones has increased enormously under the Obama administration, they are now hitting their targets with precision.

As a matter of fact, despite a sharp increase in both the frequency and total number of casualties resulting from Predator strikes, civilian casualties have gone down compared with the figures of 2008 and 2009. But still, for each terrorist killed by the drones in 2010 in the Pakistani tribal areas, around two innocent civilians also had to die. Of the total 1124 persons killed in the 124 drone attacks, the largest number of people - 638 (or 54 percent of the total casualties) lost their lives when the US drones targeted alleged terrorists’ compounds. The 359 persons (or 30 percent of the total casualties) were perished when the drones targeted houses allegedly sheltering terrorists while the remaining 187 persons (or 16 percent of the total casualties) got killed when the drones hit vehicles allegedly carrying terrorists. The majority of the drone attacks in 2010 took place in the Waziristan region administered by four powerful Taliban groups - the Mehsuds, Mullah Nazir, Hafiz Gul Bahadar and Haqqanis. Since 2006, the drone strikes focused on two regions: North Waziristan and South Waziristan.

Yet, over the past two years, there has been a dramatic shift in the location of the drone strikes. In 2009, 42 percent of the Predator attacks took place in North Waziristan and 51 percent in South Waziristan.

However, 83 percent of the total drone attacks in 2010 have targeted North Waziristan. Key Pakistani Taliban commanders Mullah Nazir and Waliur Rehman are based in South Waziristan; Jalaluddin Haqqani and Sirajuddin Haqqani in North Waziristan, Hafiz Gul Bahadar, al-Qaeda’s chief operational commander Saif Al Adal and his Pakistani right hand Ilyas Kashmiri are based in North Waziristan; the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan Ameer Commander Hakeemullah Mehsud is based in Arakzai Agency; and Faqir Mohammed is based in Bajaur Agency. All these factions of militants shelter al-Qaeda and various other anti-US terrorist groups.

However, 12 such militant groups remained the prime targets of the American Predator strikes in 2010, which included the fugitive leaders of al-Qaeda, the leaders of the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban, the commander of the Islamic Jehad Group, Uzbekistan Islamic Movement, Turkistani Islamic Party, Islamic Army of Great Britain, Haqqani Militant Network, Lashkar-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Lashkar-e-Zail and Brigade 313.

According to group-wise break-up of the 481 militants killed in drone attacks in 2010, 127 belonged to the Haqqani militant network, 123 belonged to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, 38 belonged to al-Qaeda, 34 belonged to Lashkar-e-Islami, 31 belonged to Islamic Jehad Group, 27 were Afghan Taliban, 24 belonged to Turkistani, 19 belonged to Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, 18 belonged to Islamic Army of Great Britain, 17 belonged to Uzbekistan Islamic Movement, 12 belonged to Lashkar-e-Zil and 11 belonged to the Brigade 313.

Drones killed 59pc civilians, 41pc terrorists
 
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these militants dont wear uniforms - there is no way of identifying them, they are nameless and faceless, we know nothing about them, so there is no reason to believe any figures, its best not to think along these lines, we simply do not know.
 
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Completely utter BS percentage. What kind of fact checks did these people use to come up with these stats?
 
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and how many civilians get killed by terrorist?


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You are comparing yourself to terrorist.

So Pakistanis were right all along. U.S. government and U.S. military are terrorists.

Thanks for clarifying.
 
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Mafyia's data soruces are pure jibberish. Designed to sow disinformation and create hatred and hostility toward both the Government and military of Pakistan by secessionist minded Pashtuns, who are in league with the Taliban and al Qaida.

According to data gathered by The News primarily from local and international news sources, 703 of those who were perished by the US drones between January 1 and December 31, 2010, were civilians, including women and children, while 481 others were commanders, fighters and activists of different militant groups. The drones hit three types of targets in the tribal belt - terrorists’ compounds, houses sheltering terrorists and vehicles carrying terrorists.

Don't forget that women and children are being used by the Taliban as suicide bombers. That is the harsh truth, not these concocted numbers and percentages which are terrorist friendly, Pak Government and Pak Military hostile.
 
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You are comparing yourself to terrorist.

So Pakistanis were right all along. U.S. government and U.S. military are terrorists.

Thanks for clarifying.

However, without their support and their presence in the sector, Western Pakistan would be overrun by the Talibs.
 
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People, and most especially, children, killed in houses or vehicles that are carrying terrorists are killed by the terrorists presence. Their deaths are the responsibility of the terrorists who use them as shields and put their lives in danger. If an US or Pakistani Army cook is killed by the terrorists while simply riding in a truck or cooking at his camp, the Army cook would not be called "innocent or a "civilian"" by the authors of the above piece, and neither should those who cook for the terrorists at their "mess halls" be labeled "civilians".
 
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In The Blogs

Pakistan Drones' Success Rate: 2%

— By Adam Weinstein
Mon Jan. 3, 2011


[Editor's Note: NAF researcher Katherine Tiedemann reminds us that US-led drone strikes in Pakistan tend to be CIA-run, not military-operated. The headline and post have been updated to reflect this.]

Our indefatigable editorial coordinator, Jen Phillips, pointed me to a New America Foundation study this morning on drone strikes in Pakistan...and the data does not inspire confidence.

According to NAF's research, there have been 215 drone attacks since 2004 in the bad-guy tromping grounds of northwest Pakistan, killing between 1,372 and 2,125 people. (The wide variation in estimates shows how difficult it is to track these stats, even with press and government reports.) Of those, 1061 to 1584 were called militants "in reliable press accounts." For those of you keeping score at home, that means that between 23 and 25 percent of all deaths from drone strikes are noncombatants. But here's the worse news:

Of all those semi-confirmed deaths since 2004, only 36 have been "militant leaders," like Al Qaeda's third in command. (It goes without saying that we haven't hit the terrorist group's two really big fish, Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahri.) That means that only about 2 percent of NATO's drone kills were strategically important enemy personnel. If Meat Loaf were a US combatant commander in South Asia, he'd have to cut a new track: "Two Out of 100 Ain't Bad."

So what does the US do when its winning percentage is so poor? It doubles down on the strategy, apparently. USA Today reports this morning that the Air Force in 2010 "more than doubled the number of airmen in Afghanistan who call in airstrikes, as the use of bombs, missiles and strafing runs has spiked to its highest level since the war began." Presumably, live bombing runs by fighter and attack pilots would be more reliable than CIA-led strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles, but not that much better. And more ordnance invariably means more casualties, no matter how smart a weapons system (or its operator) may be.

Anyway, check out the NAF study, which is an ongoing labor of love. Its compilers are terrorism expert (and MoJo contributor) Peter Bergen and Katherine Tiedemann, the fantastic analyst who also runs Foreign Policy's "****** Channel" blog. Like NAF itself, they're progressive, but they're most interested in unvarnished national security facts. You could do worse than to follow their work closely.

Adam Weinstein is Mother Jones' copy editor. For more of his stories, click here or follow him on Twitter. Get Adam Weinstein's RSS feed
 
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