Don't compare India with Pakistan: US

[joey]

It is only because India need to buy spare parts of its Russian military hardware. India switching to the cold war enemy of Russia can been only seen as by Moscow as ditching.
Russia may see it hostile from the poit of view that India may pass on all the intelligence of Russian arms technology simply because India has nothing to offer in return other than intelligence about Russia.

when it comes to russia they were horrible on spares supply, they still are bar Sukhoi. Navy has gone so far as to establish a joint spare parts establishment in India and IAF has sufferred heavily for the paltry problem of spare by Migs.

The mig 21 upg was done by India, the Mig 27 upg has been done without any single OEM support, the Mig 29 suffrred heavily after 1991 for lack of spare supply yet DRDO/HAL kept them flying....

 

[joey]

It's just the begining, India will continue to buy Russian arms till India see an alternate source for military hardware other than atom bombs and than if the day come soon than still India will be in need of spareparts.

I have already talked regarding spares the MKI deal is itself a JV to begin with with > 95% TOT as per DPP.

By the way If the alternate source is India, I dont find any problem.

 

[BATMAN]

No offence to anyone from a Pakistani POV, If i saw this report I would be LITERALLY PISSED.

I dont get it, you guys have been their ally for over 50 years, and all they have done is flown the spy drons from pakistan to USSR? What have they done as HRD developement in Pakistan? I really want to know. Because Pakistan as a state is not that huge that it would need the level of effort India needs to become a developed state.

The soviets in first send us big big ships of free books, I still have in my collection, they are magnificient publications and scientific approach, from Mir Publishers, Moscow.

That's true and exactly what I always say failure of Pakistan rulers of past. If Nawaz Sharif rule India for 2 decades than I wonder how it will look like.
Zia did not made a single University and now In Musharaff's rule I have no count how many engineering universities have mushroomed.
Now what we are facing today is the result of that previous lag.
Nawaz rule was a lost decade and he acted as dictator and unjustr ruler.

 

[BATMAN]

I have already talked regarding spares the MKI deal is itself a JV to begin with with > 95% TOT as per DPP.

By the way If the alternate source is India, I dont find any problem.

Ok, than than I don't see it happening very soon.
I can easily count 10-15 years time frame.

 

[Cheetah786]

"Don't compare India with Pakistan: US"

Interesting that even Mr Burns is using terms like this when there's no comparison at all. India with a trillion dollar economy is much more attractive and luctrative market than Pakistan ever will be, its all about money.

Why else would uncle want to bend local laws to grant India fuel supply even if she decides to hold future nuclear tests. Any other country would be sanctioned to starvation!

Talk about double standards, US style.

Neo mistake made by Pakistan was and is there never ever been a politician with balls(exception Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and thats why we have nukes).that actually cared for our economy we have always for some strange reason never given importance to our economy.

There is a saying in the west and it goes like this.
''why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free''.

Canada wanted investment they made the law.you wanna sell it here you better build it here.uneducated politicians in Pakistan said who cares where u build it if i can get the rights to sell it in Pakistan bring it on.

we have complete idiots in our country that have just recently cost us HUGE HUGE manufacturing facility and i mean 5billion a year in exports+supporting suppliers that would have given Pakistan's economy a boost you cant imagine.

Our half human half animal business owners made such a campaign against that in news papers that the investors decided it was better to leave then get in between this.

India's economy didn't turned around over night.Dr singh is a brilliant economist he is been behind the scene working on it for almost 20 years.his policies were followed by Indian politicians of all back grounds and today you are all witnessing the fruits of his work.

If Indians can do it so can we yes but the question is are we willing to do it.

our economy is twice the size we show reason Most politicians that own business don't pay no tax.most landlords pay Zero in taxes.Industrialist make over 100% profit and cry for government to subsidize it.

our politician instead of collecting taxes and fixing the economy they get happy if Americans throw some bones to wards us every year.

since mushy came to power my taxes have gone up by 10 times what they were before.every other day i get tax thief's (CBR employees)offering me 1 payment of 500,000ruppes a year and my business will be taken out of tax net and government papers.thats a substantial saving for me from what i pay in licensing fees and other taxes compare to other guys iam small peanuts.

My point is if we were to start paying for things instead of asking for free.for a market of 160 million we can attract lots of investment and respect no one is going to offer best of things to people who want it for free(i now iam going to get hate emails for this but to fix the problem we have to acknowledge there is 1).but for that we need a politician with balls as i said before.

 

[IceCold]

Respect is not given its earned.

when we will get politicians that actually care and are proud to be pakistanies world will listen and care.

Agreed. That is the reason i wrote that god give some sense of self respect to our leaders who ever it maybe. Dont make our selves look like a puppet of americans. After this deal what will be the russian response to it? Afterall there long term partner is now shifting gears

 

[joey]

Agreed. That is the reason i wrote that god give some sense of self respect to our leaders who ever it maybe. Dont make our selves look like a puppet of americans. After this deal what will be the russian response to it? Afterall there long term partner is now shifting gears

See my first post to cheetah, This deal is as much Russias Prerogative as much US's.

 

[Bull]

What an irony, President Nixon had totally opposite view of Indians.

BTW, does any one knows, what India is giving to US in return as part of the said deals?

Business deals worth $150Bn!!!

 

[IceCold]

See my first post to cheetah, This deal is as much Russias Prerogative as much US's.

Really!how? I believe only if fuel starts going from india to russia then otherwise what likely favour will russia get out of it.

 

[joey]

^^ They can sell their VVER's to us, we can get fuel from australia, without nuke deal no NSG approval means no fuel means no VVER's means no money for Russia.

 

[Neo]

US cites ‘real difference’ between Pakistan, India​

By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, July 31: The US State Department has said that Washington’s decision to sign a nuclear deal with India and not with Pakistan is a ‘clear recognition’ of the ‘real difference’ between the two countries.

A State Department spokesman, Tom Casey, told a briefing in Washington that because of the issues with proliferation from Pakistan, “it’s a very different situation between those two countries.”

In a similar briefing on Friday, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns had also referred to this difference, indicating that the activities of the Khan network of nuclear proliferators had marred Pakistan’s record and that’s why it was not possible for Washington to offer a deal to Islamabad.

For America, Mr Casey said, relations with India and Pakistan were both important but because of the issues with proliferation from Pakistan, it’s a very different situation between the two countries.

“And the fact that we have this agreement with India now is a clear recognition that there is a real difference,” he added.

The State Department official emphasised that India had been “a responsible actor” and although it's been outside the nonproliferation regimes, it's actually behaved responsibly.

“India has not proliferated weapons technology; it hasn't done anything to undermine international assurances. And we want to be able to bring India into the mainstream here.”

America’s relationship with Pakistan, Mr Casey added, was also important, “particularly with respect to what is our number one national priority, which is working around the world to combat the threat of terrorism posed by Al Qaeda and other extremist groups. And we’re going to continue with that.”

The State Department official said: “The United States also wants to see that there be dialogue between India and Pakistan, dialogue that has expanded and has grown under the leadership of President Musharraf and others.”

“So you know, this is not something that should be viewed as somehow an action that we take with India that somehow requires a similar action in the case of Pakistan.”

http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/01/top10.htm

 

[intruder]

Really!how? I believe only if fuel starts going from india to russia then otherwise what likely favour will russia get out of it.

Russia is member on NSG ... once this deal is approved by US congress and NSG .... India can get fuel from US,Russia,Australia ........ so there is money to be made... got the point ....

 

[Ababeel]

US can never be the friend or wellwisher of either Pakistan or Muslims. So better forget expecting good out of US for Pakistan. Whenever it is doing some good with any muslim country is only to carry out its own interests in that particular country, specially to undermine the Islamic character of that country so as to reduce any resistance of any kind from Islamic Ideology in future.
You bow completely in front of US but you will not be trusted by it. The 3 aircraft carriers in Arabian Gulf are less for Iran and more for Pakistan as they are in waiting for a right time to take out the Pakistani Nukes and make Israel safer forever as after that no Muslim country in this world will be possesing these nukes.

 

[Bull]

US can never be the friend or wellwisher of either Pakistan or Muslims. So better forget expecting good out of US for Pakistan. Whenever it is doing some good with any muslim country is only to carry out its own interests in that particular country, specially to undermine the Islamic character of that country so as to reduce any resistance of any kind from Islamic Ideology in future.:

Who can be trusted? Russia / China / Japan..? Everybody/nation works for its own interests not for creating ummah.

You bow completely in front of US but you will not be trusted by it. The 3 aircraft carriers in Arabian Gulf are less for Iran and more for Pakistan as they are in waiting for a right time to take out the Pakistani Nukes and make Israel safer forever as after that no Muslim country in this world will be possesing these nukes.

What the right time you are speaking off? Why are you such a paranoid? Muslims in danger, my foot. Typical slang usage of 'victim card'.