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Doha Peace Pact 2020 : US-Taliban Deal - Analysis

We can divide parties on the basis of two subjects like 1) interested in Afghanistan and 2) parties with their own/personal interests only.

What we are looking at is that there is going to be a stable & peaceful Afghanistan while the history also predicts further that it wouldn't be possible till existing of people with their own set of interests/greed.

Ashraf Ghani has already started to show his true colours and that is only because he knew nothing going to save him unless a continued conflict. His advisers & most probably the sponsors like Indians; aren't going to let it happen so easily. Ghani is merely a face of an ideology/mafia that wishes the continuous unstable yet anti Pakistan environment in Afghanistan. It is a fact that Ghani has no power to face Taliban if it comes to conflict without NATO/
US support but such conflict will then surely deteriorate situation further ensuring what Ghani & Co wants.

On the other hand, US, Taliban, Pakistan, China, Russia & Iran will definitely want it to be a peaceful land unless some international tensions cools down. Iran doesn't want a burning backyard in Afghanistan and it may be too late for Tehran to not to understand the same. Even though everyone has own stakes but Afghanistan neighbors aren't interested in further instability at all. The one that will definitely pursue the conflict route, is no one else but drug lords, northern alliance, proxies & people like Ghani that has no interest but to rule and earn a lot. Everyone knows how such setup was imported by US/NATO starting with Karzai.

Are we missing a point here? Yes,... as far as I see. Why would US want a stable Afghanistan when it has no border to share nor any benefit from peace but that will in-fact ensure that US is no more in Afghanistan which is supposedly a bufferzone and so also a permanent base presence for many of them to keep a check in Asia for China, Russia, Pakistan & Iran. What I see after reading into Ghani, who himself cannot even eat without permission from D.C will yet oppose Peace Deal within hours when signed between US & Taliban. That is a sign of an upcoming game being played where other parties will be dragged in a long diplomatic drive merely to say that actually Northern Alliance, Ghani, those war lords & drug peddlers aka ANA majority is not paying heed to the Agreement and then the conflict & unrest will continue which will take years to come and not just 14 months of US exit.

If what I fear is going to happen, which may have very less of chances; will definitely drive everyone off the track to peace but on other hand I see that serious heads/concern parties which includes an Asian Bloc are going to do everything & anything to ensure peace even if it has to be done by slapping Ghani. The picture will become more clear in upcoming days and not to forget that Taliban has no issue even if Ghani or anyone else does not abide by the Agreement or wants to continue conflict but that is a major loss for Afghan people unlike the imported puppet regime. There is a strong & I think a well organized/planned/supported expect by the big guns in this regard that I will not express my opinion merely to save it from further confusion and uncertainty. However, all I will say that the apparent position, such statement by Ghani, the frustrated & desperate lot with their actions; proves what I think and that is going to help a lot to pin them down further. I see that disrupting forces/hostile elements/pawns/anti Peace elements, terrorists & their sympathizers are going to regret a lot of their actions & will be disappointed big time in coming times. Perhaps it's just a break from wider or bigger conflict but whats coming next has pretty much painted the picture only for those who can understand and see that no matter how big or to say strong you are, you cannot do anything but fear the outcome for you.
Presence of USA in Afghanistan has prevented an all out War between AFT and ANF for a very long time, once USA’s presence is reduced to nill, the war will start out, it is upon USA to decide whether they want their soldiers to see such chaos or not !!!

So do you think USA is finally disowning/abandoning Ghani ? How does China, Russia and most importantly Iran come into play to further help the peace process ? China is very busy in the virus, but sending of Chinese troops seems not at all an eventuality, they won’t risk their soldiers to a hot war zone. Russia seems uninterested mostly, But here is where i give importance to Iran’s strategic position with regards to Afghanistan, Can iran annex the southern Afghanistan controlled by ANF ? If not annex but launch some sort of Op to take out ANF ? BTW, Ethnically and Religiously speaking, does Iran have higher influence in the southern part of Afghanistan, given that Pashtuns are mostly in the north and east, other parts are hazaras, uzbeks, tajiks, Persians... My main point is to prevent a civil war, which in turn means the removal of Afghan regime and a Friendly status building between Iran and AFT.
 
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Just 3 countries accepted them in 1996

Now, delegates from 150 countries witnessed peace pact in Doha.

Enough said
 
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A very good OP. and yes this topic needs to be discussed in detaile.

for a lasy person like me ..
as well as short cited. (just looking what is available and not going in detailes hidden)

i have all questions regarding this topic.

1. If USA is planning something bad then why not already done. they spend almost 20 years here. (they carpet bombed used every thing "without nukes")
2. Why is India so silent( i mean Indian has planned so much for pakistan. how could they leave it
i. they have invested good amount in afg
ii. they also have invested in afg people to hate pakistan.
iii. they are having best time and deals with USA.

3. the time of forces leaving afg is almost half the time remaining in elections. (and as said by many members here deal may come to an end after election either by trump " this wil be his last term as president if he wins" so he will not care much about next elections.
4. CIA is not agreed on this so called deal
5. what if a false flag happens on US force?? (India will surely try to break the deal, if it is a deal and not a ploye by US planner)
6. the threatning language by USA after meting how taliban accepted to let them use this type of language. if USA was so eager to leave and run.


and on the other side
1. if taliban can fight for almost 18 years what stops them to fight further 10 years.
2. Taliban are backed by regional powers. so they are in no hurry then why US left Main issues to be disccused by AFT and AFNg,
3. Taliban damaged US much more then US can damage them. because they are not an army. u can kill a bunch but they are mixed with people. so it is not possible to finish or get rid of them. then why AFT looks on back foot in Deal.
4. What if taliban take action against Indian and US backed TTP and BLA??

well i am searching for answers. but as i said...
 
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Few serious questions which could give glimpse of future of Afghanistan

- Who has accepted the announced result of Afghan Elections internally and internationally ....?

- What is the current legal status of Ghani Regim .... ?

- Who could provide Financial and Human resource to Ghani regim to survive .... ?

- How Taliban could guarantee that Afghan soil would not be used against the neighbors of Afghanistan when they do not control whole of Afghanistan .... ?

- Does the term used in agreement 'US allies' includes only country which are ally of US or it also include non-state actors in Afghanistan and in the region

- The Emarat-e-Islami Afghanistan is used for Taliban whom US does not recognize as 'State' but what is understanding of Taliban about this Term do they still believe this term still represent the STATE OF AFGHANISTAN or just a political representation of Taliban
 
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This thread is just for DEEP Talks and Related long posts with rich content and analysis.
Respected Mods, Kindly don’t merge it or delete it.

Some concerns and points regarding the recent development are clear.

  • An extremely Fragile deal, Such that, even a week before signing such, there were constant verbal rift between usa and AFT in Afghanistan.
  • USA has ego BUT it has a “FedUp of Afg war” Trump but to Trump, Ego AS WELL matters a lot of his country. He wants to leave but he wants to leave in respect and without Constant “GetOut” messages from AFT.
  • USA can stage some drama to eventually hurt this deal, sometime sooner or later OR maybe not as well, former being the most probable. It seems almost too easy for them go off that easily on table. (Post 18 years war)
  • Afghan front to Iran is really important to USA for a potential future conflict with Iran
  • Very important Point to note here is that US will withdraw 4400 Troops from AFG in the next 3-4 months, leaving behind 8600, these 8600 are subject to AFT’s fulfillment of terms in the contract. What are the terms ? We don’t know yet (or do we ?). Though, these terms have been known to AFT since long but yet even till now, AFT has been speaking aggressively against USA. So the point is, AFT isn’t happy with terms but it is willing to cooperate all it can. Let’s see how this goes.
  • Remaining 8600 are no less of a threat, if the agreement gets messed up (God Forbid), These remaining troops will still play their part in the proxies again, ANF and AFT remains unpredictable. Might be that, the budget required for these 8600 troops is something that won’t bother USA much as compared to current spendings, who knows ? They are cunning, very very cunning.
  • US “WON’T intervene in Afghan domestic affairs ? So end of Ashraf Ghani regime ? Why so much rigging and delays in the recent election, just to be decided some weeks before the peace pact ?
  • Now, “Dolaan Trump” visit to India just before the Pact, Coincidence ? Even if scheduled many months ago, something might have been discussed together, right ? Since this has been the most important soil for USA and India to play proxy with Pakistan or did Gen Raheel Sharif, NAP and Gen Qamar Bajwa disappoint the USA to such extent by fencing the border such that USA had no reason left to remain in Afghanistan, right ? Very definitely yes it is.
  • British left India and Pakistan, disputed over Kashmir for a very long period, to date this has cost thousands of Lives and trillions of Dollars and Generations of education and Economic development and prosperity, Afghanistan will face a massive Civil war, AFT has good influence and power but so does Afghan Regime and ANF, both are almost equal in territory but one point of the deal raises some serious issue over here “US commits to dedicate funds, Training, Advice and equipment for ANF annually, This will act as a catalyst for a non ending civil war (Syria and Iraq comes in mind).
  • Generations trained to become fighters, Low prospects to develop the nation soon into educational hub for the Afghan nationals and to seek FDI for local industries and Trade development, China is required here very much !!!
  • In a hypothetical scenario, US has some troops left in Afghanistan, the deal goes bad, Forces are stuck, Pakistan will be primarily sought to help US. Pakistan helping US in this regard would be primarily on table, but if that doesn’t work out, US might try to milk Pakistan with some goodies to help out, But Pakistan doesn’t want to and definitely will not want to have any enmity with AFT or AFG.

Hope that this peace pact which seems like a dream to me becomes a dream come true as well In’Sha’ALLAH and that Afghanistan becomes a sovereign country, Afghanis residing in Pakistan return back to their country, Afghanis in middle east, UK, Canada and USA return as well, Just set up businesses, Rebuild it, Bring back their money and investment (Afghanis are quite rich people when it comes to owning businesses outside of Afghanistan, I know it very well), A strong and Stable Afghanistan is a Peace of Mind for Pakistan.

Brother @jaibi I thought this question would be best answered by you, Thousands of Children, Young and old men are used to arms for decades, have been subject to violence by USA and before that, by Soviets, How could Dis-Arming and Integrating them back to society and promoting common civilian culture happen ? Educating them, Industrializing Afghanistan, Bringing in FDI is the key, but what is more important above all is the “OWN WILL”, This is what stops even the regular decoits and beggars on streets to be productive in a civilized way. But i think AFT is quite Mature and will want themselves to drive the economy up & further by getting their own people trained, educated and integrating in working sectors. But it all comes down to “How to convince a person to change his current state of being a fighter and a warrior to being a Trader/Doctor/Professor ?”

@Mangus Ortus Novem @Irfan Baloch @The Eagle @Verve @SIPRA @Socra @Dubious @PakSword @aziqbal @Bratva @Foxtrot Alpha @Signalian @aliyusuf @HRK @fatman17 @Major Sam @Tempest II

Can we all gentlemen have a good and detailed conversation on this topic ? I am amazed to see the lack of importance by the big brains here towards the development. Off course, all others who have good points to share from their part as equally welcome here. But Must be specific to Afghanistan or the content outline below, nothing unnecessary.

Key points :
  • Current pact outlines
  • Possible hurdles
  • Possible future solutions
  • If everything goes alright, How does the region transform, Afghanistan Internally and externally
  • Importance to Pakistan in short term as well as long term
  • Importance to Iran
  • ANF and Afghan Regime, How AFT and they coexist ? Civil war or a Mutual peace ?
  • And most importantly, Pakistan AND USA relations post complete withdrawal, Pakistan’s importance to USA, Ally status, What comes of it ?

Let’s start !!!

No one liners please, it’s been some time since PDF has seen some good threads, let make this one, or any of your choice, a good thread
OK, so as we have seen that Afghan government and Taliban have resumed the fighting from where they last left, I have a different assessment of this scenario.

The United States wanted to leave Afghanistan, but her deep state never wanted to lose the influence at the mercy of other countries, specifically China. The current pact, in my honest opinion, is to save the lives of the US/ NATO soldiers, and to tell the public that Trump has fulfilled his promise. So that era has ended when the US or NATO was directly involved in fighting Taliban.

But a new era of fighting has begun now. The US and her allies, specially India, are about to begin a long proxy war in Afghanistan. Neither the US nor India wants that their proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan and trillions of dollars of the US investment goes down the drain. Both countries (the US and India) have proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and fortunately for them, unfortunately for us, both both countries are in complete agreement to use same proxies to further their interests.

What is happening in Afghanistan right now was cent percent expected, and people who are in knowledge of the games being played behind curtains knew how PTM and other proxies in Pakistan will behave. People, who think that Ali Wazir's or Manzoor Pashteen's statements against Pakistan were given without the blessings of the deep state of the US, live in a fools' paradise.

Lets talk about the plan of allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US has saved her neck in Afghanistan, and her forces may leave the region in next 14 months, however, funding to proxies will continue. The US and her allies will not let Afghan forces under current regime get weaker against Taliban. In addition to that, they have to keep a check on Pakistan so that support to end chaos in Afghanistan may not be fully delivered to Taliban from our side. To do that, they have most likely decided to continue their funding to PTM, BLA and JUI-F, and buy more parties/ organizations which can be easily bought (and most of them are available cheap).

The US and India are also in agreement that Pakistan should not be able to fully turn towards Indian Occupied Kashmir. For Indians, it is more in their favor if they spend few dollars on northern alliance government and do not lose a single soldier than they spend fighting Kashmiri mujahidin backed by Pakistan and spend billions of dollars plus lose lives. They have in all likelihood given assurance to the US, that they are not in a mood to leave their Afghan partners alone.

Another factor is China. The US will never allow Chinese to reap benefits of secure connectivity to Arabian sea. This will mean huge trade advantage to China over the whole west for another couple of decades. Of course, the only way to counter China is to make this region hell one more time with the help of its real ally India, which shares the same objectives.

So in summary, I don't think that fighting will stop in Afghanistan anytime soon, and PTM/ BLA etc will stop their activities in Pakistan. In fact, now the US will feel much less pressure and will only spend few dollars on Afghan namak haraams to destabilize the region. India will be fully on board and together, their plan to keep hurting Pakistan and China to achieve greater objectives.

Will write about Pakistan's possible response soon.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Path-Finder @Areesh @BHarwana
 
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OK, so as we have seen that Afghan government and Taliban have resumed the fighting from where they last left, I have a different assessment of this scenario.

The United States wanted to leave Afghanistan, but her deep state never wanted to lose the influence at the mercy of other countries, specifically China. The current pact, in my honest opinion, is to save the lives of the US/ NATO soldiers, and to tell the public that Trump has fulfilled his promise. So that era has ended when the US or NATO was directly involved in fighting Taliban.

But a new era of fighting has begun now. The US and her allies, specially India, are about to begin a long proxy war in Afghanistan. Neither the US nor India wants that their proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan and trillions of dollars of the US investment goes down the drain. Both countries (the US and India) have proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and fortunately for them, unfortunately for us, both both countries are in complete agreement to use same proxies to further their interests.

What is happening in Afghanistan right now was cent percent expected, and people who are in knowledge of the games being played behind curtains knew how PTM and other proxies in Pakistan will behave. People, who think that Ali Wazir's or Manzoor Pashteen's statements against Pakistan were given without the blessings of the deep state of the US, live in a fools' paradise.

Lets talk about the plan of allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US has saved her neck in Afghanistan, and her forces may leave the region in next 14 months, however, funding to proxies will continue. The US and her allies will not let Afghan forces under current regime get weaker against Taliban. In addition to that, they have to keep a check on Pakistan so that support to end chaos in Afghanistan may not be fully delivered to Taliban from our side. To do that, they have most likely decided to continue their funding to PTM, BLA and JUI-F, and buy more parties/ organizations which can be easily bought (and most of them are available cheap).

The US and India are also in agreement that Pakistan should not be able to fully turn towards Indian Occupied Kashmir. For Indians, it is more in their favor if they spend few dollars on northern alliance government and do not lose a single soldier than they spend fighting Kashmiri mujahidin backed by Pakistan and spend billions of dollars plus lose lives. They have in all likelihood given assurance to the US, that they are not in a mood to leave their Afghan partners alone.

Another factor is China. The US will never allow Chinese to reap benefits of secure connectivity to Arabian sea. This will mean huge trade advantage to China over the whole west for another couple of decades. Of course, the only way to counter China is to make this region hell one more time with the help of its real ally India, which shares the same objectives.

So in summary, I don't think that fighting will stop in Afghanistan anytime soon, and PTM/ BLA etc will stop their activities in Pakistan. In fact, now the US will feel much less pressure and will only spend few dollars on Afghan namak haraams to destabilize the region. India will be fully on board and together, their plan to keep hurting Pakistan and China to achieve greater objectives.

Will write about Pakistan's possible response soon.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Path-Finder @Areesh @BHarwana
TTPTM Are now calling Taliban real Pashtun!! they have completely sold their mother.

 
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Next one year is most important for whole region
 
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@PakSword so what options does pakistan have in this scenario??

1. Should pakistan too opt to use his proxies??
(we know few days back t.t.p and B.l.a leaders were eliminated in afghanistan and Iran)

or

2. Targeting there proxies in Pakistan and in afghanistan??
 
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@PakSword so what options does pakistan have in this scenario??

1. Should pakistan too opt to use his proxies??
(we know few days back t.t.p and B.l.a leaders were eliminated in afghanistan and Iran)

or

2. Targeting there proxies in Pakistan and in afghanistan??
In shaa Allah will cover these topics tomorrow.
 
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@Path-Finder thanks for sharing the Tweets... looks like TTPTM is now splitting... but neither AFT or Paks trust these rent-a-traitor types... first Kabul then KhooniLiberals and these scum!!!
TTPTM will try to appease a new master who doesn't believe in ethno fascism or marxist debauchery. But keep an eye on the malaun diesel pact with his complete opposite, TTPTM. Who said opposite sides don't attract.
 
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Ashraf Ghani has refused to release taliban prisoners.

There has been a blast in Afghanistan but not done by taliban.
And USA is fine with it.


Pompeo is saying Ghani is attention seeker.


Actually India and Afghan govt don't want USA to leave. Ghani is enjoying security and power at the expense of US soldiers and India is conducting its dirty business in the cover of USA.

To put it simple there is a peace deal between USA and Taliban but Ghani regime and IEA will have to fight their way to power.

 
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OK, so as we have seen that Afghan government and Taliban have resumed the fighting from where they last left, I have a different assessment of this scenario.

The United States wanted to leave Afghanistan, but her deep state never wanted to lose the influence at the mercy of other countries, specifically China. The current pact, in my honest opinion, is to save the lives of the US/ NATO soldiers, and to tell the public that Trump has fulfilled his promise. So that era has ended when the US or NATO was directly involved in fighting Taliban.

But a new era of fighting has begun now. The US and her allies, specially India, are about to begin a long proxy war in Afghanistan. Neither the US nor India wants that their proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan and trillions of dollars of the US investment goes down the drain. Both countries (the US and India) have proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and fortunately for them, unfortunately for us, both both countries are in complete agreement to use same proxies to further their interests.

What is happening in Afghanistan right now was cent percent expected, and people who are in knowledge of the games being played behind curtains knew how PTM and other proxies in Pakistan will behave. People, who think that Ali Wazir's or Manzoor Pashteen's statements against Pakistan were given without the blessings of the deep state of the US, live in a fools' paradise.

Lets talk about the plan of allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US has saved her neck in Afghanistan, and her forces may leave the region in next 14 months, however, funding to proxies will continue. The US and her allies will not let Afghan forces under current regime get weaker against Taliban. In addition to that, they have to keep a check on Pakistan so that support to end chaos in Afghanistan may not be fully delivered to Taliban from our side. To do that, they have most likely decided to continue their funding to PTM, BLA and JUI-F, and buy more parties/ organizations which can be easily bought (and most of them are available cheap).

The US and India are also in agreement that Pakistan should not be able to fully turn towards Indian Occupied Kashmir. For Indians, it is more in their favor if they spend few dollars on northern alliance government and do not lose a single soldier than they spend fighting Kashmiri mujahidin backed by Pakistan and spend billions of dollars plus lose lives. They have in all likelihood given assurance to the US, that they are not in a mood to leave their Afghan partners alone.

Another factor is China. The US will never allow Chinese to reap benefits of secure connectivity to Arabian sea. This will mean huge trade advantage to China over the whole west for another couple of decades. Of course, the only way to counter China is to make this region hell one more time with the help of its real ally India, which shares the same objectives.

So in summary, I don't think that fighting will stop in Afghanistan anytime soon, and PTM/ BLA etc will stop their activities in Pakistan. In fact, now the US will feel much less pressure and will only spend few dollars on Afghan namak haraams to destabilize the region. India will be fully on board and together, their plan to keep hurting Pakistan and China to achieve greater objectives.

Will write about Pakistan's possible response soon.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Path-Finder @Areesh @BHarwana
Very well written !!!
I like when multiple perspectives mix in the talk, China must soon get aggressive and find anti proxies in Afghanistan and Indian Ocean
 
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