Does the Air Force have a plan to take out Pakistan's tactical nuclear weapons?

[BetterPakistan]

So IAF got plans too?

3000 MM Alam's/Pakistani pilots are prepared to take on IAF when required

 

[wiseone2]

plans are great on paper. it is hard to execute in the fog of war

 

[AZ1]

When India come out from their dreams? May be never lol.

 

[xyxmt]

Keep on dreaming trolls and haters lolz lmao.

his name is "BS" Dhanoa and you can smell it

 

[TOPGUN]

his name is "BS" Dhanoa and you can smell it

 

[BATMAN]

Whats here to debate? Everyone has a plan!!

Difference is that your plan is publicized by your own official.

 

[El Sidd]

Difference is that your plan is publicized by your own official.

Self defense is all what we will report

 

[ziaulislam]

"The Only Winning Move is not to play the Game"
Will India Risk it ? Because it leaves no other option for Pakistan.
They needed to create a scenario which stops indian plans.
Indian Members Saying it will give a free Hand to Indian forces to retaliate using Nukes , yes but nukes are not magic nuclear bombs which will suddenly come from no where as soon as India launches, Pakistani will see that, what you will think Pakistani response be.

logic dictates, that if Pakistan responds to cold start invasion with use of low tactical nuke, India cant justify a full MAD scenario would india want a billion people die just because it attacks another country for no reason or even for a reason(like a terrorist attack). India might bleb in front of the world that govt support terrorist but it knows that we don't, even if it did, will it, NO...the same way we know India support terrorism and we still dont nuke India(via its proxy as it did in the 1970s and later accepted it, and as its current intelligence chief accepted TTP relations)

only scenario left is india either crippling Pakistan economy or doing a limited strike which again is a problem as Pakistan will respond with a strike..so essentially india only scenario left is either overwhelming short air strike wiping out PAF quickly or a navy strike

the only way to deter this is not to buy a super expensive strike platform that cost 9 billion dollars but to cement your workhorse fighter so it can deter Indian air superiority or navy superiority in your port areas

the answer is Jf-17, Pakistan needs at least 300 of them to support both the navy and air defense

this is exactly the conclusion Sweden reached and thus they developed the Gripen against the Russians

i would prefer 350 thunders vs 150 thunders +36 typhoons even though the second package is going to cost more
its time to put our trust in the thunders, we can look for alternatives weapons suits for thunders from south Africa and turkey

 

[Darth Vader]

logic dictates, that if Pakistan responds to cold start invasion with use of low tactical nuke, India cant justify a full MAD scenario would india want a billion people die just because it attacks another country for no reason or even for a reason(like a terrorist attack). India might bleb in front of the world that govt support terrorist but it knows that we don't, even if it did, will it, NO...the same way we know India support terrorism and we still dont nuke India(via its proxy as it did in the 1970s and later accepted it, and as its current intelligence chief accepted TTP relations)

only scenario left is india either crippling Pakistan economy or doing a limited strike which again is a problem as Pakistan will respond with a strike..so essentially india only scenario left is either overwhelming short air strike wiping out PAF quickly or a navy strike

the only way to deter this is not to buy a super expensive strike platform that cost 9 billion dollars but to cement your workhorse fighter so it can deter Indian air superiority or navy superiority in your port areas

the answer is Jf-17, Pakistan needs at least 300 of them to support both the navy and air defense

this is exactly the conclusion Sweden reached and thus they developed the Gripen against the Russians

i would prefer 350 thunders vs 150 thunders +36 typhoons even though the second package is going to cost more
its time to put our trust in the thunders, we can look for alternatives weapons suits for thunders from south Africa and turkey

The Biggest Problem I have seen in Pakisyani Defence industry it putting all eggs in one basket
PAKISTAN has much better sophisticated defence industry with access to Chinese and western tech not that much access now but they still do have some and biggest advantage they have is cheaper cost why don't they keep do more JVs why don't don't build and diversify there portfolio
PAKISTAN army hit is building Al Khalid , they created few crappy stuff why not start other projects with little investment is. South Korea, Ukraine, and some other smaller countries are already selling why not they start to do that ask Private Industry help them grow so they can start JVs on there own investment in them so they can produce better products own there own which help in future as they will offer better products and It will save money and time and bring revenue.
Paf is mushaq , k8 and thunder now they might be starting a 5th gen , air city turkey is there China is there are trying and delevoping why not bring them
Beside few ships from China Pakistani navy industry is dead. Start from smaller ships and take from there .

Problem is it will take time , money and proper guidance from Army and Gov. As it won't give quick results so no one cares

 

[Arsalan 345]

Nuclear strike package is ready for new Delhi.let Ms dhunna or chunna will bite the dust.iaf don't have the capability to defend it's airspace.only a single nuclear package dropped from mirage will annihilate new Delhi.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Kid ?? LOL

I wont repeat what i said previously . I know you don't like the cost india would impose if your tactical nukes used .But that's your problem .

I don't know what the hell you are talking in the high lighted part . If you are questioning our ability to make small tactical nukes , then i have news for you.

In Pokhran II nuclear test or Operation Shakti of 1998 , out of 5 nuclear devices tested , 3 were of the size of so called tactical weapons .

You are acting like one.

Thats why I said, learn what "escalation ladder" mean. Even on LOC we follow the same rules of engagement. the caliber of weapon used is responded with the same caliber.

I am not questioning anything, I am telling you the facts. India is not known to posses or have skills to miniaturize the warhead to sub kilo ton yield. Your pokhran tests actually fizzled out given you false impression. You dont have the capacity and technical knowhow to miniaturize the warheads to the size of golf balls like Pakistan posses.

PS : No nuclear power expect Pakistan keeps stockpile of tactical nukes , as they mainly think such weapon has no strategic value .

What is this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/03/if-germany-goes-nuclear-blame-trump/

We might ask why the Germans don’t figure something out with the British and the French, both of whom already own nuclear weapons. But the U.K.’s and France’s nuclear stockpiles are partly outdated, too small, and largely tactical (i.e., short-range).

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/us-moves-nuclear-weapons-from-turkey-to-romania/

According to a recent report by the Simson Center, since the Cold War, some 50 US tactical nuclear weapons have been stationed at Turkey’s Incirlik air base, approximately 100 kilometres from the Syrian border.






And hence the name, "tactical". They are NOT strategic weapons. They are used in battlefields.

As I said, your scientists and their lack on knowledge in miniaturizing the warheads in not our concerns. They provide us the cleanest and most efficient way of winning a war against India, while sparing your population. You should be grateful to us that we are building smart nukes which will benefit your civilians.

And not for once be under a delusion that these TNWs are only for NASR. All these babies carry the TNWs:

The idea is to achieve more with less, wiping out Indian forces, air bases, naval installations, command and control, and harden targets, without bringing harm to Indian population. We are working hard to avoid the collateral damage.

 

[oOo]

Difference is that your plan is publicized by your own official.

Hmm, that must be a great revelation that we have plans. Next time we will simply hide our plans by saying we don't have any.

Only if that was so simple business!!

 

[Basel]

"The Only Winning Move is not to play the Game"
Will India Risk it ? Because it leaves no other option for Pakistan.
They needed to create a scenario which stops indian plans.
Indian Members Saying it will give a free Hand to Indian forces to retaliate using Nukes , yes but nukes are not magic nuclear bombs which will suddenly come from no where as soon as India launches, Pakistani will see that, what you will think Pakistani response be.

Indians are in delusion that their layered air defense with ABM will save them and only Pakistan will suffer in MAD.

Rafales are coming...
Hence the hence..

Janam samjha karo..

US was not able to track and take out all Iraqi scuds where no air Force and air defense was present against them how shupa powa India goba do it??

To much overconfidence is dangerous for Indians.

 

[Storm Force]

if as you pakistanis claim yoiur nasr is your prime tactile nuke weapon designed to stop a IBG ( indian battle group) in its tracks in one go........ with a low yield warhead then tracking them is not rocket science .

THE WEAKNESS in YOUR NASR is its low RANGE = IE 60KM ONLY

That means a very small radius from location of your 8x8 tracked vehicle to the centre of the advancing IBG.

THE KEY WEAPONS TO TRACK OUR IBG and therefore engage your NASR at 60km max from our column is as follows

From 2019

THE IBG will covered by Scalp cruise missles carried by the formidable Rafale

Both the MKI & Rafale have tracking ranges of over 200km to COVER any ADVANCING IBG

Inaddition the IBG will be covered by these

THE SMERCH MBRL range is 125kn ie twice that of the nasr missle . THEY CAN SATURATE A NASR battery to radius of 3km ...

INADDITION any IBG will be covered by UAV to track the IBG and your tactilce missle approaching to a point of 60km

India currently deploys 5 UAV both for survallianvce and combat

IN SHORT the 60KM limited range is a REAL WEAKNESS IN YOUR DETTERANT

A BRAHMOS as 3 times the range of a nasr amnd can track from 200km

The SCLA[P cruise missle on rafale has 5 times the range of your nasr and can jam your radars via spectra EW suitres

Eve the SMERCHER MBRL travelling along side a IBG can locate and fire at NASR from twice the range

60km is WAY WAY TO SHORT a range

 

[blain2]

Any attack on Indian army forward formation by Pakistan's tactical nuclear weapons NASR would give India excellent excuse to retaliate with cities buster strategic nukes in salvo . That's why india isn't building tactical nukes of her own .

Its Pakistan that has to neutralize Cold Start not India thus it does not need TNWs. Pakistan has to fend off a proactive move against it. The TNWs are intended to hold the Cold Start doctrine at bay. If Pakistan launches a TNW against aggressing Indian armour in its own territory and India decides to respond with a nuclear attack on Pakistan's population centers then Pakistan would also launch its BMs to assure mutual destruction.

These moves and counter moves are part of building an effective deterrence. It should give both sides a serious pause and if it does then it means that the nuclear doctrine is working. If Pakistan did not employ TNWs then India would have defeated Pakistan's deterrence via its CS affiliated IBGs.

The most sane and logical outcome of any such discussion should be that talks are the best and the lowest cost method of sorting the problems out. Thus far this has held unless India tries something different.