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Does Pakistan have an Afghan strategy?

I have been suggesting one for the longest time, Pakistan should make a deal with Russia:

- Pakistan and Afghanistan will both join Putin's Eurasia Union and will urge Iran to do the same (Mongolia should join too, but not relevant here)
- All 4 new countries joining Eurasian Union get full strategic and military protection from any threat from outside power
- in return Russian relation with any non-member country must be agreed to by all member states of this expanded Eurasian union, as is natural and common for any regional union

Problem solved. Pakistan will never have to worry about Indian threat again.

Win-win for all, because the region will stabilize and no more worries about "terrrist" safe haven here.




The best solution is a confederation of Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan and the six former Muslim republics of Soviet Union. This would only happen with the support of Russia / China. It will have a domestic market of nearly 500 million people and a potential of 10 Trillion USD. It will have a huge land mass as being the third Largest country (landwise) and a third most populated country.
 
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But supporting the taliban all alone is not going to bring them to power, what it will do is create a civil war kind of scenario in Afg. Pakistan alone supporting the taliban when most big powers in the world oppose them does not make sense and is bad strategy.

Taliban will always be there with or without Pakistan. That is why NATO is trying to make peace with them they know Taliban will never give up. They control most of Southern Afghanistan as it is.

The best solution is a confederation of Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan and the six former Muslim republics of Soviet Union. This would only happen with the support of Russia / China. It will have a domestic market of nearly 500 million people and a potential of 10 Trillion USD. It will have a huge land mass as being the third Largest country (landwise) and a third most populated country.

Will never happen it is more realistic for their to be a Pakistani - Afghanistan confederation that a huge one like you stated.
 
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The best solution is a confederation of Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan and the six former Muslim republics of Soviet Union. This would only happen with the support of Russia / China. It will have a domestic market of nearly 500 million people and a potential of 10 Trillion USD. It will have a huge land mass as being the third Largest country (landwise) and a third most populated country.
so will pakistanis have free access to iran and afg resources? what will be the contribution of pak to this federation?
will pak allow itslef to be ruled by shia? will ahmadi be declared as muslims? why did BD choose to move out of Pak.
 
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first as rule of thumb we can always propose a counter plan of Russia-Pakistan-China nexus.

second it's even not understandable that we are supporting a WOT that is against our interest. people need think about how could our leaders facilitate an anti Pakistan war. the West aid to the huge loss resulted from the WOT is just minimum.
 
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so will pakistanis have free access to iran and afg resources? what will be the contribution of pak to this federation?
will pak allow itslef to be ruled by shia? will ahmadi be declared as muslims? why did BD choose to move out of Pak.
it already does, our beloved president zardari is a shia with balochi decent :azn:
 
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if usa and its nato allies can use alqaeda and murdrer rebels in labiya.syria and egypt then why pakistan cant
 
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if usa and its nato allies can use alqaeda and murdrer rebels in labiya.syria and egypt then why pakistan cant

Because Pakistan is not the US - this policy of supporting the Afg Taliban and the Haqqani network is proving counter productive, that's what your think tanks think, they want an alternative strategy - joining hands with the bigger group is what an alternative policy looks like.

Taliban will always be there with or without Pakistan. That is why NATO is trying to make peace with them they know Taliban will never give up. They control most of Southern Afghanistan as it is.



Will never happen it is more realistic for their to be a Pakistani - Afghanistan confederation that a huge one like you stated.

I think they can be countered, they are not a political entity as of now - their ideology is not accepted by both Afghanistan and Pakistan. A repeat victory of the Taliban is Afghanistan will spell trouble for Pakistan - it will make the Pakistan Taliban stronger.
 
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The best solution is a confederation of Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan and the six former Muslim republics of Soviet Union. This would only happen with the support of Russia / China. It will have a domestic market of nearly 500 million people and a potential of 10 Trillion USD. It will have a huge land mass as being the third Largest country (landwise) and a third most populated country.

All such projections including the one I made are of course exercises in imagination. But its good to consider different possible scenario:

1. Eurasian Union with all former Soviet Republics (including 5 stans) + Mongolia +Iran + Afghan + Pakistan
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- Eurasian Union with all former Soviet Republics (including 5 stans) + Mongolia
- Turkey+Iran+Afghan+Pakistan

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- Eurasian Union + Mongolia - 5 Central Asian stans - Azerbaijan
- Turkey+Iran+Afghan+Pakistan+5stans+Azerbaijan


What you have proposed is No. 3, while I have proposed No. 1. But No. 2 is more likely than No. 3.

Reasons:

- former Soviet states such as 5 Central Asian stans and Azerbaijan in Caucasus region are Russianized, Russian speaking and have long history of Russia influence
- even before Soviet Union, they used to be part of Russian empire:
Russian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- all of them are still kind of satellite states or vassal states of Russia
- many of them have significant Russian population, although diminishing with time. Kazakhstan still has the largest number of ethnic Russians, about 24%

Considering the above, these states are unlikely to leave their mother ship of state, Russian federation.

So instead of No. 3, No. 2 scenario is more likely. But that too has certain problems:

- Turkey is an integral part of NATO since its formation
- Pakistan is a major non-NATO ally
- Afghanistan may remain a non-NATO ally, depending on future govt. after the US leaves, but it may not, many are predicting a civil war with unpredictable result
- Iran is the more serious problem here, as it is absolutely hostile to NATO, especially the current theocratic regime and the regime will probably continue for the foreseeable future

So Iran is going to be the stumbling block for scenario No. 2

Now if we consider scenario No. 1, Turkey is excluded as it is a part of NATO, while the rest can be brought within SCO umbrella. So all these states nicely fit together only in this arrangement of scenario No. 1. A potential problem is Pakistan's status as non-NATO ally of the US, but this is a special case because of the need to go into Afghanistan. Once Afghanistan is stabilized and Pakistan has potential to be less troubled by extremism and has the possibility to become more stable, then the US should have no objection to see it become a part of this new Eurasian Union.

An integrated region will be good for China, India, Turkey, GCC+ and EU, as they will now be able to trade goods, energy etc. from this vast region, without hindrance or hassles of so many borders between existing nation states.

As part of NATO, Turkey will have more synergy with NATO ally and protected GCC+ (Arab states within Asian continent)

The other important consideration for these regional union ideas is to have at least one member state with a mature industrial base. Only Russian federation at this moment fits this category, while Turkey is on its way, although still 1-2 decades away. So from this perspective also No.1 makes more sense.

These regional unions may not become permanent arrangements. Lets say in scenario No. 1, once Muslim states like Iran together with 5 stans are able to function as a mature industrial base, then the Muslim part can break off while the Christian part could join the EU, 4-5 decades later. But my guess is that 4-5 decades later, religion may not dictate geopolitics as much as it does today.
 
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^^^^ lets talk about the Eurasian + this and that later lets keep it simple for now, presently can any one figure out Pakistan's Afghan strategy?
 
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^^^^ lets talk about the Eurasian + this and that later lets keep it simple for now, presently can any one figure out Pakistan's Afghan strategy?

A Regional approach is the only possible way to stabilize Afghanistan. Without a regional approach, outside powers will keep meddling to destabilize the country, trying to curve up their sphere of influence in certain parts of Afghanistan, increasing the chances of breakup into a Pashtun South and Uzbek, Hazara and Tajik North.

After US withdrawal there will be civil war, chaos and then Taliban take over of most of the country, with help from Pakistan. At that point may be China, Iran and Russia will work together with Pakistan to bring a compromise between the rival groups in Afghanistan and have a stable govt. with power sharing between these groups.

Not an expert of the area, just making some wild guess.
 
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The pastun definitely want a resurgence and control of their country back which will lead to civil war after US / NATO withdrawl - with majority of Pastuns living on the Pakistan side we are compelled to help them or face a rebellion which calls for accession of Pakistani territory to Afghanistan. Its a catch 22 situation for Pakistan
 
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So will Pakistanis have free access to Iran and Afg resources?

Well as soon as India allow other nations its allies with free access to its resources you can come here and ask this question.
without Pakistan allowing access to Afghanistan its resources are out of questions for any body but Us.
Iranians natural gas petrol and other Goods are in Pakistan

will Ahmadi be declared as Muslims?

NO

what will be the contribution of Pak to this federation?

When the time comes we will let you no.

will Pak allow itself to be ruled by shia?

Our founder was shia and current ruler is also Shia.

Now questions to you

will India allow itself to be ruled by Untouchables or other minorities?

will Untouchables be declared as equals in India?
 
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Yes Pakistan does have Afghan strategy.
Actually it was announced by Obama, "Af - Pak".
As per this strategy Afghan & Pakistan will unite & become one country.

Israr Ahmad Minutes 7:15 +

& 0:14:00 + Again Israr Ahmad talks of "Af - Pak" as reiterated by Obama too :)
Afghan & Pakistan going to become one country :whistle:

Its not a bad idea, take referendum vote in both countries, if the populations agree then merge the two countries, Durand line was never a well recognized border, I heard.
 
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