Does PA have these weapons/tactics which have been successfully deployed in Ukraine?

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If Pak adopts the Turkish doctrines, tactics, hardware, software etc. - specifically developed to win at the asymmetric warfare - it'll be like a piece of cake against India provided no Bajwa & Co are at the helms, i.e., a witch hunting against the domestic crypto traitors, the way Turkey did against the FETO, is first done.....

 

[Path-Finder]

The PA has analogous solutions for each:

1. Javelin ATGM: There's been a standard ATGM program in the works. But it was tied to the new attack helicopter program. For example, when it ordered the T129 ATAK, the PA also planned to induct large numbers of Roketsan OMTAS and UMTAS for use from aircraft, infantry, and vehicles. They'll likely buy smaller batches of ATGMs until the attack helicopter programs come online. Once they do, they'll standardize on an ATGM for service-wide induction.

2. NLAW: The PA uses the Alcotán-100.

3. HIMARS: The PA doesn't have an exact solution like the HIMARS, but it does have guided rocket capabilities in the 122 mm and 300 mm calibers. The next ideal step would be to develop a hot-swappable module for our existing guided rockets.

4. Artillery/drone coordination: The PA can probably do it with its existing solutions, but IIRC there are no dedicated solutions for this.

I have a question for the Defence savvy. What upgrade options are there for the fleet of various M109's in PA uses? These M109's are not 52 calibre and they don't have the fancy computers and electronics. the Ukrainians that have made use of modern SP howitzers have the necessary gizmos that are light years ahead of soviet guns. These guns have done the most damage in this conflict due to advanced Tech in halting Russian advances.

 

[Path-Finder]

1. Javelin/NLAW

Pakistan has a unknown quantity of HJ8 which is okay, The facts are that Ukraine used more of its own ATGM's(i forgot the name) to knock out targets than it used Javelin or NLAW. HJ8 will do the job but a top attack solution is missing so something like HJ12 and OMTAS/UMTAS will be needed.

Another thing is the use of various RPG's as well. Pakistan has a huge stocks of RPG7 but a better RPG will be needed with better armor penetration. In a Very large numbers

2. HIMARS

Not an Issue because PA has various rocket arty thanks to China. The only thing is what variety of ammo is available for them. Because PA will use Beidou instead of GPS. It will be interesting to see the comparison in accuracy

3. Artillery coordinated by drones

My personal concern is the large number of M109's that are vintage legacy system. The SH15 is the most modern artillery inducted because it comes with a Satellite guided Shell similar to Excalibur. A Sensor Fused/fuzed anti tank shell and a laser guided shell. The ammo type with SH15 is outstanding.

The Ukrainians who used old outdated soviet systems howitzers trained on the newer howitzer compare the Caesar, PzH2000 and Krab as Porsche and their old system as a Lada.

 

[khansaheeb]

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I was watching this video...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2023/01/05/8005814337948172437/1024x576_MP4_8005814337948172437.mp4

... about the weapons used in Ukraine that turned the tide of the war for the Ukrainians.

The 3 listed in this video are;

1. Javelin/NLAW
2. HIMARS
3. Artillery coordinated by drones

My question is - does PA have thier own equivalent?

The only thing Pakistan and most countries are missing is the anti-drone detection, counter measures and anti-drone training. Russian and Ukrainians are resorting to hug the ground tactics when attacked by drones which isn't effective against drones, it should be run and scatter in different directions or if not in combat then stay camouflaged or hidden. With drone eyes in the sky 1Km-20 Km above the drones aren't being seen and exacting heavy damage on the infantry , artillery and tanks. Surprised they aren't being given cover with anti-drone weapons and ECM. All infantry combat training must include 3D anti-drone training and have specialist soldiers trained to deal with drones. Time to look into anti-drone drones.

 

[farooqbhai007]

Javelin: No (Maybe HJ-12 in the future).

NLAW: Alcotan ATGM in service with PA roughly works along the same principles.

HIMARS: Fatah-1 series of precision guided MRLs and a new battlefield range missile named "Orhan" displayed at IDEAS by Harobanx Industries can fill this role.

UAV Guided Artillery: The capability is within reach.

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I think a better comparison with the NLAW would be the SMAW-D used by PN Marines.

 

[bharat62]

If Pak adopts the Turkish doctrines, tactics, hardware, software etc. - specifically developed to win at the asymmetric warfare - it'll be like a piece of cake against India provided no Bajwa & Co are at the helms, i.e., a witch hunting against the domestic crypto traitors, the way Turkey did against the FETO, is first done.....

Lumber one army is better than turk army .

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I was watching this video...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2023/01/05/8005814337948172437/1024x576_MP4_8005814337948172437.mp4

... about the weapons used in Ukraine that turned the tide of the war for the Ukrainians.

The 3 listed in this video are;

1. Javelin/NLAW
2. HIMARS
3. Artillery coordinated by drones

My question is - does PA have thier own equivalent?

4. Zelenskys live message at Grammys.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I was watching this video...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2023/01/05/8005814337948172437/1024x576_MP4_8005814337948172437.mp4

... about the weapons used in Ukraine that turned the tide of the war for the Ukrainians.

The 3 listed in this video are;

1. Javelin/NLAW
2. HIMARS
3. Artillery coordinated by drones

My question is - does PA have thier own equivalent?

The masters of Ukraine I.e US, UK etc already accepted defeat after wasting billions of dollars on Ukraine. Listen to what Gen Milley recently said.
Ukraine has already lost the war so no logic in discussing their so called successful military tactics.

 

[Sifar zero]

Pakistan has a unknown quantity of HJ8 which is okay, The facts are that Ukraine used more of its own ATGM's(i forgot the name) to knock out targets than it used Javelin or NLAW.

It's name was Skif ATGM and Pakistan even inspected it when Bajwa visited Ukraine before the war.

 

[Great Janjua]

It's name was Skif ATGM and Pakistan even inspected it when Bajwa visited Ukraine before the war.

Yh he was tapping it with his fauji stick then said it sounds hollow and flew back.

 

[Basel]

Only himars type rockets pak may have but none of other too but there are some reports pak has Chinese red arrow HJ 12 ATGM

PA also use HJ-8s on Jeeps / light vehicles allowing fast movement and flexibility but it's wire guided so in future war its crew can do the job but there may be casualties too due to advancement in technology in warfare.

 

[Path-Finder]

Pakistan has a large number of TOW-2. completely forgot. Problem is mobility, TOW & HJ8 are heavy and not mobile. need a mobile system.

 

[sparten]

We have actual armoured and mechanised formations supported by AirPower. If we fight a war like Ukraine, then something has gone badly wrong.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The only thing Pakistan and most countries are missing is the anti-drone detection, counter measures and anti-drone training. Russian and Ukrainians are resorting to hug the ground tactics when attacked by drones which isn't effective against drones, it should be run and scatter in different directions or if not in combat then stay camouflaged or hidden. With drone eyes in the sky 1Km-20 Km above the drones aren't being seen and exacting heavy damage on the infantry , artillery and tanks. Surprised they aren't being given cover with anti-drone weapons and ECM. All infantry combat training must include 3D anti-drone training and have specialist soldiers trained to deal with drones. Time to look into anti-drone drones.

Turkey has developed anti-drone systems, especially against the mini and micro ones, and deployed them at the borders against the PKK. Mini EW/ECM pods with 100km range are being integrated with TB-2s. Akinjis will be equipped with AESA radar, EW pods, BVR/WVR missiles etc...

As for anti-drone munitions (mounted on wheeled and tracked platforms), 40mm programmable (as per radar inputs) ATOMs are being deployed...

 

[khansaheeb]

Turkey has developed anti-drone systems, especially against the mini and micro ones, and deployed them at the borders against the PKK...

I hope Pakistan is evaluating them and incorporating the lessons learnt into warfare.