Does Imran Khan want to reinstate Khilafat?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Really relevant n to the point.
My basic purpose to post this was to highlight the thing what really a PM or head of state &party is thinking. V Pakistanis quote Quaid Pic wearing Cap 2 proove that he wanted pakistan to b Islamic country while others show Quaid's different speeches to proove that he was secular and wanted pak to b secular as well so if IK is quoting dr israr about Quaid's thoughts then can v think IK is trying 2 develop the notion of what type of govt really Quaid wanted or simply put Quaid wanted Khilafat so v should also go for it.
Yup definitely QA died & he couldn't talk much about What really Khilafat meant to him so here v can't take this concept only in Islamic perspective bcz it is only used and described by Islam so v can't give it different meanings but yup v basically define and choose the concepts of Khilafat to implement here in Pakistan.
Allama sb's version of Khilafat i don't know much about and if u know then u can share and v can discuss on it but imo, Khilafat is very far fetched subject but definitely it has some basic tenets which v can implement.

Either IK is a follower of Dr israr or not, this is the question i didn't talk about. But if u read Dr israr then he definitely vociferously proponent of the system of Khilafat so prooving One's point one can borrow words even from a pagan so if IK is thinking about this then he definitely can proove his point.

If u Follow politcs of Khan after 2011 then u can easily understand that Khan puts sometimes deliberately the topic 4 media to start debating and so i thought this isn't another one. Yup he started debate and there is a long way ahead...

My friend i m not getting heart attacks bcz i m not a liberal. I m just a Political student and finance n Econmic graduate who knows in politcs n business there is no space for emotions so i try 2 analyze things in most unbiased way, wdout any affiliations. I like IK'S thoughts but i also criticize his policies as i like NS's some works but i hate their way of politcs so what is best i choose n what isn't i dont, afterall i am Pakistani first.

Hope you got my point..

If you listen to Dr. Israr Ahmad's lectures on Pakistan, Quaid e Azam, and Allama Iqbal, you will begin to understand the relationship between all three.

Allama Iqbal was the ideologue for Pakistan, whom Quaid e Azam referred to as a 'seer' in his eulogy of him. Allama Iqbal was a fierce believer in Khilafat and the need for unity and revolutionary thought to cure the Muslim world of the disease of apathy, cowardice, and toxic divisiveness.

Quaid e Azam was the instrument of Pakistan, mentored and discovered by Allama Iqbal to carry out his vision for Pakistan. The Muslim League and its nawabs, moulvis were totally shocked when Allama Iqbal brought clean-shaven, exquisitely dressed Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah to head them. Owing to their failures in gaining votes against the Congress, a lack of a strategy, and their deep admiration of Allama Iqbal, they accepted Quaid e Azam. The salvation of Islam and Muslims can come from unexpected directions.

“ . . . I have one underlying principle in mind, the principle of Muslim democracy. It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law giver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundation of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that 'our decisions in the affairs of the State shall be guided by discussions and consultations'."

Speech delivered at the Darbar in Sibi, Balochistan, 14 February 1948

-----

"Pakistan is the premier Islamic State and the fifth largest in the world. . . The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of men, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case, Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State - to be ruled by priests with a divine mission."

Radio Broadcast to the People of the United States of America, February 1948

----

"Whatever I have done, I did as a servant of Islam, and only tried to perform my duty and made every possible contribution within my power to help our Nation. . . We Musalmans believe in one God, one Book - the Holy Qur'an - and one Prophet. So we must stand united as one Nation. You know the old saying that in unity lies strength; united we stand, divided we fall."

"I am glad that there is full realization on your part that now the position is basically different. It is no longer a foreign Government as it was, but it is now a Muslim Government and Muslim rule that holds the reigns of this great independent sovereign State of Pakistan. It is now the duty of every Musalman, yours and mine, and every Pakistani to see that the State, which we have established, is strengthened . . ."

"In the end, I warmly thank you for the wholehearted and unstinted declaration of your pledge and your assurances to support Pakistan, so that it may reach the pinnacle of glories of Islam and become a great and mighty nation among other nations of the world."

Address to the Tribal Jirga at Government House, Peshawar, 17 April 1948​

 

[Zarvan]

I think this is not correct west has taken some things from Islam but most of their acts are unIslamic like interest based economy, nudity ,casinos ,drugs,homosexuality and killing of innocents in other country for the sake of capturing resources of others and providing safe heavens to money launderers and corrupts on their soil

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I think this is not correct west has taken some things from Islam but most of their acts are unIslamic like interest based economy, nudity ,casinos ,drugs,homosexuality and killing of innocents in other country for the sake of capturing resources of others and providing safe heavens to money launderers and corrupts on their soil

He means free education and health and justice given in West specially in Scandinavian countries

People are waking up to the fact that IK is building a secular riasat and laws are being passed at a demonic speed. Look at the ppl he has with him, they Don’t even know dua e qanoot, durood, understand or follow the ruling of the Quran and Hadith - how can these ppl bring abt a khilafat system ???

No Pakistani are not waking up to secular riasat. If fasadis like Khadim Rizvi are thrown in Jail doesn't we are going to become secular

 

[Yaseen1]

He was

He means free education and health and justice given in West specially in Scandinavian countries


No Pakistani are not waking up to secular riasat. If fasadis like Khadim Rizvi are thrown in Jail doesn't we are going to become secular

Justice is more expensive in west and law suits charges are much higher than in Pakistan health and education is free but only these two things not constitute khilafat and it is much more than that ik govt is liberal donot mix it with Islam

He was

He means free education and health and justice given in West specially in Scandinavian countries


No Pakistani are not waking up to secular riasat. If fasadis like Khadim Rizvi are thrown in Jail doesn't we are going to become secular

Pakistan will become secular and it is moving towards it when your national assembly is against banning liquor then you have no right to call yourself Islamic state

 

[Jaanbaz]

@Retired Troll @Jaanbaz please guys restrain yourself being sectarian... you were discussing the good points & suddenly this Khilafat even became sectarian...
Plz yr don't kill the purpose of this thread.
The best points on this thread belong to you...

It wasn't me bro, that retired troll is obviously a troll. He always brings up Ahmadis.

 

[hassan zohaib]

If you listen to Dr. Israr Ahmad's lectures on Pakistan, Quaid e Azam, and Allama Iqbal, you will begin to understand the relationship between all three.

Allama Iqbal was the ideologue for Pakistan, whom Quaid e Azam referred to as a 'seer' in his eulogy of him. Allama Iqbal was a fierce believer in Khilafat and the need for unity and revolutionary thought to cure the Muslim world of the disease of apathy, cowardice, and toxic divisiveness.

Quaid e Azam was the instrument of Pakistan, mentored and discovered by Allama Iqbal to carry out his vision for Pakistan. The Muslim League and its nawabs, moulvis were totally shocked when Allama Iqbal brought clean-shaven, exquisitely dressed Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah to head them. Owing to their failures in gaining votes against the Congress, a lack of a strategy, and their deep admiration of Allama Iqbal, they accepted Quaid e Azam. The salvation of Islam and Muslims can come from unexpected directions.

“ . . . I have one underlying principle in mind, the principle of Muslim democracy. It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law giver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundation of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that 'our decisions in the affairs of the State shall be guided by discussions and consultations'."

Speech delivered at the Darbar in Sibi, Balochistan, 14 February 1948

-----

"Pakistan is the premier Islamic State and the fifth largest in the world. . . The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of men, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case, Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State - to be ruled by priests with a divine mission."

Radio Broadcast to the People of the United States of America, February 1948

----

"Whatever I have done, I did as a servant of Islam, and only tried to perform my duty and made every possible contribution within my power to help our Nation. . . We Musalmans believe in one God, one Book - the Holy Qur'an - and one Prophet. So we must stand united as one Nation. You know the old saying that in unity lies strength; united we stand, divided we fall."

"I am glad that there is full realization on your part that now the position is basically different. It is no longer a foreign Government as it was, but it is now a Muslim Government and Muslim rule that holds the reigns of this great independent sovereign State of Pakistan. It is now the duty of every Musalman, yours and mine, and every Pakistani to see that the State, which we have established, is strengthened . . ."

"In the end, I warmly thank you for the wholehearted and unstinted declaration of your pledge and your assurances to support Pakistan, so that it may reach the pinnacle of glories of Islam and become a great and mighty nation among other nations of the world."

Address to the Tribal Jirga at Government House, Peshawar, 17 April 1948​

Thanks by the way.
So my question is this Khilafat in its Islamic sense applicable in present era, here in Pakistan?if u really wanna touch that bvz imo, Khilafat in its sense of NO NATIONALISM, no division isn't applicable today in modren Islamic world.
@Jaanbaz @Zibago @Hakikat ve Hikmet

 

[Zarvan]

Justice is more expensive in west and law suits charges are much higher than in Pakistan health and education is free but only these two things not constitute khilafat and it is much more than that ik govt is liberal donot mix it with Islam


Pakistan will become secular and it is moving towards it when your national assembly is against banning liquor then you have no right to call yourself Islamic state

Pakistan is not becoming secular

Thanks by the way.
So my question is this Khilafat in its Islamic sense applicable in present era, here in Pakistan?if u really wanna touch that bvz imo, Khilafat in its sense of NO NATIONALISM, no division isn't applicable today in modren Islamic world.
@Jaanbaz @Zibago @Hakikat ve Hikmet

It's totally applicable not having it resulted in creation of east Pakistan

 

[Yaseen1]

i think if we not want to implement Islamic laws we should declare as secular nation it is better than becoming a munafiq and behaving in reality like secular nation under name of Islamic republic

Pakistan is not becoming secular


It's totally applicable not having it resulted in creation of east Pakistan

 

[hassan zohaib]

Pakistan is not becoming secular


It's totally applicable not having it resulted in creation of east Pakistan

Is it applicable in its original form?
I don't think so but in certain geography its basic tenets can b borrowed & that's even in the context of different form.

I don't think so East pakistan would not b created if there was Khilafat because we both east n west Pakistanis were muslims & v have taken the country in name of Islam but it wasn't Islam bcz of which it was divided into two. It was our Political and military defeat.

 

[war&peace]

laws are being passed at a demonic speed

Are you crazy? which law has been passed so far? can you provide just one example with source?

It's totally applicable not having it resulted in creation of east Pakistan

Can you elaborate? Were Bengalis demanding for khilafah?

However, Imran Khan is a religious nationalist and always has been. Everyone has to come to terms with that.

No ones exactly knows what Imran Khan actually is. He might have wishes to do a few good things but upto so far it remains just a talk. He surrounded by a lot libturds who drink and do all sorts of things and they have been given key positions in his admin. So do not raise your expectations too much.. just be realistic. IK at best might a a source of transition from this old crappy setup but he is not the goal.

 

[Zarvan]

Are you crazy? which law has been passed so far? can you provide just one example with source?


Can you elaborate? Were Bengalis demanding for khilafah?


No ones exactly knows what Imran Khan actually is. He might have wishes to do a few good things but upto so far it remains just a talk. He surrounded by a lot libturds who drink and do all sorts of things and they have been given key positions in his admin. So do not raise your expectations too much.. just be realistic. IK at best might a a source of transition from this old crappy setup but he is not the goal.

No promotion of nationalism instead of sticking Islam was one of our biggest mistakes