Does 90% of Indian army consist of Sikhs? This video suggests so.

[Indus Pakistan]

even now the recruitment in army is still not done on religious basis in India these all are private source links given since no official data exists on this

what British did before partition is none of our concern now we are talking in this thread is about independent India

It does. The past still is being played out today. Proof? The British preferred Pashtun, Punjabi Muslims and Punjabi Sikhs. Today Pashtun and Punjabi Muslims still make the major portion of Pakistan Army. In India the Sikhs still make over representation. Thus the British habit of recruiting from the North West has continued in Pakistan and India. Haryana is part of the pre 1947 greater Punjab.

What the British called North West India is today what? Kyhber Pakhtunkwa, Pak Punjab, Indian Punjab and Haryana. This is arc where British recruited from. That pattern is still being followed in your country and mine.

Read this paper below. The patterns being described in this paper are still being followed today by Pakistan and India.

http://www.csas.ed.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/48674/WP24_Shaheed_Hussain.pdf

 

[[Bregs]]

It does. The past still is being played out today. Proof? The British preferred Pashtun, Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs. Today Pashtun and Punjabi Muslims still make the major portion of Pakistan Army. In India the Sikhs still make over representation. Thus the British habit of recruiting from the North West has continued in Pakistan and India. Haryana is part of the pre 1947 greater Punjab.

What the British called North West India is today what? Kyhber Pakhtunkwa, Pak Punjab, Indian Punjab and Haryana. This is arc where British recruited from. That pattern is still being followed in your country and mine.

Oh dear i am not in history and for me this is borest thing to do, i hardly passed in history in my 10th exams too and this thread is not abt history some of the practices might be continuing. i do not have patience to read your lengthy history quotes someone else might be able to contribute with you

 

[nForce]

That articles is full of rubbish. Before 1947 the British did not recruit by religion. Instead they preferred certain regions. Leave asides the reasons the most preferred people by British were Pashtuns and Punjabi ( either Muslim or Sikh ). If you look at the British Indian Army a tiny part of British India ( Punjab and NWFP ) provided overwhelming number of men. In 1947 NWFP became part of Pakistan which meant all Frontier Regiments of Pashtuns went with Pakistan. All Punjab regiments were split among the Punjabi Muslim and Punjabi Sikh with the latter going to India and Punjabi Muslims going to Pakisan who were mostly from West Punjab which had gone to Pakistan.

And the reason why the Muslim percentage dropped after 1947 is simple. Most of the preferred recruitment areas ( NWFP and Punjab ) went to Pakistan. Only Sikhs from Indian East Punjab were left behind.

Btw the recruitment pattern in Pakistan has continued on the British pattern with most men coming from Northern Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunwa.

http://www.csas.ed.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/48674/WP24_Shaheed_Hussain.pdf

Most preferred were Pashtun and Punjabi ? With overwhelming numbers ? What about Maratha Light Infantry, Madras Sappers, Rajputana Rifles, Jat regiment, Assam regiment etc etc ??

 

[Manas]

Most preferred were Pashtun and Punjabi ? With overwhelming numbers ? What about Maratha Light Infantry, Madras Sappers, Rajputana Rifles, Jat regiment, Assam regiment etc etc ??

Add Gorkha regiment to that .

It does. The past still is being played out today. Proof? The British preferred Pashtun, Punjabi Muslims and Punjabi Sikhs. Today Pashtun and Punjabi Muslims still make the major portion of Pakistan Army. In India the Sikhs still make over representation. Thus the British habit of recruiting from the North West has continued in Pakistan and India. Haryana is part of the pre 1947 greater Punjab.

What the British called North West India is today what? Kyhber Pakhtunkwa, Pak Punjab, Indian Punjab and Haryana. This is arc where British recruited from. That pattern is still being followed in your country and mine.

Read this paper below. The patterns being described in this paper are still being followed today by Pakistan and India.

http://www.csas.ed.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/48674/WP24_Shaheed_Hussain.pdf

where is punjabi hindus ?? Conspicuously omitted by you .

When you say British Punjab , its also included areas like Haryana and Himchal which supplied jatt Hindu men to British Indian army.

 

[nForce]

Add Gorkha regiment to that .

Yes Gurkha too...

Sirji upna.. idhar andho mein kana raja banke ghum rhe hain...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Add Gorkha regiment to that .




where is punjabi hindus ?? Conspicuously omitted by you .

When you say British Punjab , its also included areas like Haryana and Himchal which supplied jatt Hindu men to British Indian army.

Greater Punjab included Haryana and Himachal. As regards Gurkha I did not bother. They are Nepali. I know, I know there might be some migrant Napali Gurkha in India like there might be migrant Uzbeks and Mongol in Pakistan.

Fact is Gurkha are Nepali. The whole world knows that. And yes the British also recruit mercenary Gurkhas from Nepal.

British Gurkhas Nepal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bornubus]

Greater Punjab included Haryana and Himachal. As regards Gurkha I did not bother. They are Nepali. I know, I know there might be some migrant Napali Gurkha in India like there might be migrant Uzbeks and Mongol in Pakistan.

Fact is Gurkha are Nepali. The whole world knows that. And yes the British also recruit mercenary Gurkhas from Nepal.

British Gurkhas Nepal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

British indian army was 36% muslim rest hindu/sikh and only 9 VC were muslims including muslim from indian punjab while hindus and sikhs won 36 VCs

 

[Arya Desa]

As long as the canteen provides cheap daru we will be a considerable % of the officers.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

British indian army was 36% muslim rest hindu/sikh and only 9 VC were muslims including muslim from indian punjab while hindus and sikhs won 36 VCs

Ever heard of ratio Ganga dweller? The area that is Pakistan had seven times lesser population than Ganga India. Even today Pakistan has had higher growth rate since 1947 but there is still 6.5 disparity. So let us apply this disparity to see the results. In simple terms for every one Pak the are 6.5 Ganga dwellers.

So 6.5 times 9 = 58. This of course far exceeds 36. Thus if you share them out between between today's Pakistan and India adjust by proportion you get:-

India > 36 VCs
Pak > 58 VCS

The first South Asian to win Victoria Cross was Khudadad Khan VC from Jhelum District, Punjab in what is now Pakistan in 1914 against Germans in Belguim.

Khudadad Khan, VC (20 October 1888 – 8 March 1971), was the first South Asian recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest military award for gallantry in the face of the enemy given to British and Commonwealth forces. He was the first native-born Indian to win the VC.

On 31 October 1914, at Hollebeke, Belgium, 26-year old Khan performed an act of bravery for which he was awarded the Victoria Cross during the First World War.
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Born on 20 October 1888 in the village of Dab in Chakwal District (then a tehsil of District Jhelum) of the Punjab Province, British Raj (now Pakistan), Khudadad Khan was a Sepoy in the 129th Duke of Connaught's Own Baluchis, British Indian Army (now 11th Battalion The Baloch Regiment of Pakistan Army). The battalion formed part of the Indian Corps, which was sent to France in 1914, to shore up the British forces fighting on the Western Front during the First World War.

In October 1914, the Germans launched a major offensive in northern Belgium, in order to capture the vital ports of Boulogne in France and Nieuport in Belgium. In what came to be known as the First Battle of Ypres, the newly arrived 129th Baluchis were rushed to the frontline to support the hard-pressed British troops. On 31 October, two companies of the Baluchis bore the brunt of the main German attack near the village of Gheluvelt in Hollebeke Sector. The out-numbered Baluchis fought gallantly but were overwhelmed after suffering heavy casualties. Sepoy Khudadad Khan’s machine-gun team, along with one other, kept their guns in action throughout the day; preventing the Germans from making the final breakthrough. The other gun was disabled by a shell and eventually Khudadad Khan’s own team was overrun. All the men were killed by bullets or bayonets except Khudadad Khan, who despite being badly wounded, had continued working his gun. He was left for dead by the enemy but despite his wounds, he managed to crawl back to his regiment during the night. Thanks to his bravery, and that of his fellow Baluchis, the Germans were held up just long enough for Indian and British reinforcements to arrive. They strengthened the line, and prevented the German Army from reaching the vital ports. For his matchless feat of courage and gallantry, Sepoy Khudadad Khan was awarded the Victoria Cross.
Khudadad Khan retired as a Subedar. He died in 1971 and is buried in Chak No. 25, Mandi Bahauddin. His Victoria Cross is on display at his ancestral house in Village Dab (Chakwal), Pakistan.

Source: KHUDAD KHAN THE FIRST SOUTH ASIAN TO GET VICTORIA CROSS

 

[nForce]

Ever heard of ratio Ganga dweller? The area that is Pakistan had seven times lesser population than Ganga India. Even today Pakistan has had higher growth rate since 1947 but there is still 6.5 disparity. So let us apply this disparity to see the results. In simple terms for every one Pak the are 6.5 Ganga dwellers.

So 6.5 times 9 = 58. This of course far exceeds 36. Thus if you share them out between between today's Pakistan and India adjust by proportion you get:-

India > 36 VCs
Pak > 58 VCS

The first South Asian to win Victoria Cross was Khudadad Khan VC from Jhelum District, Punjab in what is now Pakistan.

Khudadad Khan, VC (20 October 1888 – 8 March 1971), was the first South Asian recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest military award for gallantry in the face of the enemy given to British and Commonwealth forces. He was the first native-born Indian to win the VC.

On 31 October 1914, at Hollebeke, Belgium, 26-year old Khan performed an act of bravery for which he was awarded the Victoria Cross during the First World War.
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Born on 20 October 1888 in the village of Dab in Chakwal District (then a tehsil of District Jhelum) of the Punjab Province, British Raj (now Pakistan), Khudadad Khan was a Sepoy in the 129th Duke of Connaught's Own Baluchis, British Indian Army (now 11th Battalion The Baloch Regiment of Pakistan Army). The battalion formed part of the Indian Corps, which was sent to France in 1914, to shore up the British forces fighting on the Western Front during the First World War.

In October 1914, the Germans launched a major offensive in northern Belgium, in order to capture the vital ports of Boulogne in France and Nieuport in Belgium. In what came to be known as the First Battle of Ypres, the newly arrived 129th Baluchis were rushed to the frontline to support the hard-pressed British troops. On 31 October, two companies of the Baluchis bore the brunt of the main German attack near the village of Gheluvelt in Hollebeke Sector. The out-numbered Baluchis fought gallantly but were overwhelmed after suffering heavy casualties. Sepoy Khudadad Khan’s machine-gun team, along with one other, kept their guns in action throughout the day; preventing the Germans from making the final breakthrough. The other gun was disabled by a shell and eventually Khudadad Khan’s own team was overrun. All the men were killed by bullets or bayonets except Khudadad Khan, who despite being badly wounded, had continued working his gun. He was left for dead by the enemy but despite his wounds, he managed to crawl back to his regiment during the night. Thanks to his bravery, and that of his fellow Baluchis, the Germans were held up just long enough for Indian and British reinforcements to arrive. They strengthened the line, and prevented the German Army from reaching the vital ports. For his matchless feat of courage and gallantry, Sepoy Khudadad Khan was awarded the Victoria Cross.
Khudadad Khan retired as a Subedar. He died in 1971 and is buried in Chak No. 25, Mandi Bahauddin. His Victoria Cross is on display at his ancestral house in Village Dab (Chakwal), Pakistan.

Source: KHUDAD KHAN THE FIRST SOUTH ASIAN TO GET VICTORIA CROSS

Just read the first 2-3 lines. Your figures will be wrong since you have not considered the Muslims of India as well. He is talking about British India, there was no Pakistan then. May be I'll read the rest later.

 

[HAIDER]

Its not question the percentage of certain ethnic group. Question is who is front line warrior.....Battalion who mainly lead Indian army in war.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just read the first 2-3 lines. Your figures will be wrong since you have not considered the Muslims of India as well. He is talking about British India, there was no Pakistan then. May be I'll read the rest later.

First of all there was no India either as it exists today. That is Bharat or Indian Republic of which you are a citizen. Prior to 1947 it was a British colony. That British colony was brought to an end in 1947 when British left. From it two successor states evolved ( although today there is three ) thus to get the figures for each country is easy, Just count up all Pashtuns from NWFP and Punjabi Muslims. Result you get the final count.

I have gone through the list and I know almost all are Pashtun and Punjabi Muslims from what is now Pakistan. The only exception if I remember correctly is one Punjabi Muslim from near Jallandhar which falls in Indian Punjab.

However there are Sikh Punjabi who were from Pakistan Punjab but frankly they need tabulating under the "India" category.

 

[Bornubus]

Ever heard of ratio Ganga dweller? The area that is Pakistan had seven times lesser population than Ganga India. Even today Pakistan has had higher growth rate since 1947 but there is still 6.5 disparity. So let us apply this disparity to see the results. In simple terms for every one Pak the are 6.5 Ganga dwellers.

So 6.5 times 9 = 58. This of course far exceeds 36. Thus if you share them out between between today's Pakistan and India adjust by proportion you get:-

India > 36 VCs
Pak > 58 VCS

The first South Asian to win Victoria Cross was Khudadad Khan VC from Jhelum District, Punjab in what is now Pakistan in 1914 against Germans in Belguim.

Khudadad Khan, VC (20 October 1888 – 8 March 1971), was the first South Asian recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest military award for gallantry in the face of the enemy given to British and Commonwealth forces. He was the first native-born Indian to win the VC.

On 31 October 1914, at Hollebeke, Belgium, 26-year old Khan performed an act of bravery for which he was awarded the Victoria Cross during the First World War.
Contents

Born on 20 October 1888 in the village of Dab in Chakwal District (then a tehsil of District Jhelum) of the Punjab Province, British Raj (now Pakistan), Khudadad Khan was a Sepoy in the 129th Duke of Connaught's Own Baluchis, British Indian Army (now 11th Battalion The Baloch Regiment of Pakistan Army). The battalion formed part of the Indian Corps, which was sent to France in 1914, to shore up the British forces fighting on the Western Front during the First World War.

In October 1914, the Germans launched a major offensive in northern Belgium, in order to capture the vital ports of Boulogne in France and Nieuport in Belgium. In what came to be known as the First Battle of Ypres, the newly arrived 129th Baluchis were rushed to the frontline to support the hard-pressed British troops. On 31 October, two companies of the Baluchis bore the brunt of the main German attack near the village of Gheluvelt in Hollebeke Sector. The out-numbered Baluchis fought gallantly but were overwhelmed after suffering heavy casualties. Sepoy Khudadad Khan’s machine-gun team, along with one other, kept their guns in action throughout the day; preventing the Germans from making the final breakthrough. The other gun was disabled by a shell and eventually Khudadad Khan’s own team was overrun. All the men were killed by bullets or bayonets except Khudadad Khan, who despite being badly wounded, had continued working his gun. He was left for dead by the enemy but despite his wounds, he managed to crawl back to his regiment during the night. Thanks to his bravery, and that of his fellow Baluchis, the Germans were held up just long enough for Indian and British reinforcements to arrive. They strengthened the line, and prevented the German Army from reaching the vital ports. For his matchless feat of courage and gallantry, Sepoy Khudadad Khan was awarded the Victoria Cross.
Khudadad Khan retired as a Subedar. He died in 1971 and is buried in Chak No. 25, Mandi Bahauddin. His Victoria Cross is on display at his ancestral house in Village Dab (Chakwal), Pakistan.

Source: KHUDAD KHAN THE FIRST SOUTH ASIAN TO GET VICTORIA CROSS

lamo same old madarsa carp stinking with inferiority complex.Recruitment of British Indian army was limited to certain geographic and racial group and by your logic Hindu Gurkha who is less than 1% of subcontinent won 10 VCs against 40% musilm and 9 VCs

thus 1 Gurkha = 40 Muslims


what is the population of Muslims in subcontinent 550 million compared to 1 billion Hindus and Sikhs.

figure out the rest.

And what about khudad khan he was awarded VC on the same day with D S negi but due to the date of action of khudadad he is considered 2nd

Darwan Singh Negi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nForce]

lamo same old madarsa carp stinking with inferiority complex.Recruitment of British Indian army was limited to certain geographic and racial group and by your logic Hindu Gurkha who is less than 1% of subcontinent won 10 VCs against 40% musilm and 9 VCs

thus 1 Gurkha = 40 Muslims


what is the population of Muslims in subcontinent 550 million compared to 100 billion Hindus and Sikhs.

figure out the rest.

And what about khudad khan he was awarded VC on the same day with D S negi but due to the date of action of khudadad he is considered 2nd

Darwan Singh Negi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

million-billion mein thoda gadbad ho gya hai

First of all there was no India either as it exists today. That is Bharat or Indian Republic of which you are a citizen. Prior to 1947 it was a British colony. That British colony was brought to an end in 1947 when British left. From it two successor states evolved ( although today there is three ) thus to get the figures for each country is easy, Just count up all Pashtuns from NWFP and Punjabi Muslims. Result you get the final count.

I have gone through the list and I know almost all are Pashtun and Punjabi Muslims from what is now Pakistan. The only exception if I remember correctly is one Punjabi Muslim from near Jallandhar which falls in Indian Punjab.

However there are Sikh Punjabi who were from Pakistan Punjab but frankly they need tabulating under the "India" category.

If Gurkhas are Nepalis then Pashtuns are Afghans. I don't think the figures are correct.

 

[Arya Desa]

Just read the first 2-3 lines. Your figures will be wrong since you have not considered the Muslims of India as well. He is talking about British India, there was no Pakistan then. May be I'll read the rest later.

He's अनपढ़ don't expect too much from him.