Do you believe ISIS fighters are non muslims ?

[Khafee]

Does it matter what you or I believe? It makes no difference to anything.

What matters is what ISIS themselves believe and why they do what they do.

Can anybody convince them (ISIS) that they are not muslim?

Well you are free to go to Syria / Iraq and convince them.

Jokes aside, when you leave the tenants of a certain faith, how can you then claim to be the follower of said faith?

Like @Indus Falcon said, just like RSS & VHP are to Hindus and KKK to Christianity, same goes for ISIS, but don't let that stop Indians from spewing their hatred.

 

[Stag112]

Well you are free to go to Syria / Iraq and convince them.

Jokes aside, when you leave the tenants of a certain faith, how can you then claim to be the follower of said faith?

Like @Indus Falcon said, just like RSS & VHP are to Hindus and KKK to Christianity, same goes for ISIS, but don't let that stop Indians from spewing their hatred.

RSS and VHP are right wing hindus and nobody denies it. They may be terrorists to you but not even any of the muslim states, let alone UNSC says so.

But bringing them up makes some of you feel better, please go ahead.

 

[FULL_METAL]

So now you think you are an authority on saying better than anyone else and this was the only exception

Not sure why do you think like that, I am an internet nobody certainly not qualified enough to be an authority on this matter, I speak my mind, and like everyone else here I am just sharing my opinion which happened to be different than yours, that's all

 

[Khafee]

Not sure why do you think like that, I am an internet nobody certainly not qualified enough to be an authority on this matter, I speak my mind, and like everyone else here I am just sharing my opinion which happened to be different than yours, that's all

One thing you are miserably failing at is putting your point across in a rationale manner. What good will getting you banned achieve? And at the rate you are going............

Look at how Bregs is most of the time. He does his stealth trolling, but MOST of his comments are balanced. That's how you put your point across, in a balanced, reasonable rationale, manner. i.e. IF you want to become a respected member.

If your goal is just to make lopsided arguments and insults, please feel free to carry on.

 

[Stag112]

@Khafee the argument should be isis are not good muslims and everyone will wholeheartedly agree. The current trend of disowning is counterproductive, internally and externally. Internally it creates denial of a problem, externally it sounds like obfuscation and people start blaming even the good muslims, who are an overwhelming majority.

Think about it.

 

[Mrc]

Khwarij... agreed

 

[Khafee]

@Khafee the argument should be isis are not good muslims and everyone will wholeheartedly agree. The current trend of disowning is counterproductive, internally and externally. Internally it creates denial of a problem, externally it sounds like obfuscation and people start blaming even the good muslims, who are an overwhelming majority.

Think about it.

It's far beyond the point of good and bad, when you start killing people for what they believe in. The Quran explicitly forbids killing innocents. But is that what ISIS is doing?

Tomorrow, Mr.Swami a hindu, might stand up and start slaughtering Muslims in India, becuse they don't worship his particular God, and they eat beef. Does Hinduism justify such extremist mindset? Would you still call him a Hindu, or a deranged lunatic?

Every religion has it's limitations, when you cross that, you can still call yourself "follower of Religion X", but reality is in stark contrast.

In conclusion, whether we disown them or not, point is which religion are they following? Are they even following the religion "they claim" to be of?

 

[Khafee]

Khwarij... agreed

Khawarij is one who does NOT adhere to the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah and has his own interpretations. But when he starts murdering people, which is expressly forbidden, then is he still a Khawarij OR a non-believer?

 

[PakShaheen79]

If we go by proper definition of a believer, then probably very few, a handful of people will be left in their respective religions who can call themselves a believer. What matters is what they say they believe in. Others may call them non-believers, but they say the same in return.

I was not talking about the definition of believer but definition of Khawarij.

 

[nForce]

I was not talking about the definition of believer but definition of Khawarij.

Even by that, there will be only a handful, isn't it ?

Whatever the ISIS are doing, the ideology they are propagating and the way they are going about their business, there is nothing Islamic in it. But, the fact remains that they are doing it in the name of Islam, and for Islam.

Why is it that somehow, in some way, Islam is used by terrorists to spread hatred and violence ? What is it that encourages them ? Why it has become a global phenomenon ? Your thoughts.

 

[ranjeet]

According to Faisal Raza Abidi's 7 years of research ISIS fighters are one those who are returning to India and indulging in Ghar wapsi program.

 

[Imran Khan]

its a lame excuse sir face saving . not only ISIS but every sect of islam have two more sects called them non muslim .

 

[RealNapster]

I came across some posts of some members of PDF who are claiming that ISIS fighters are not Muslims and in fact trained non Muslims who pretend to be Muslims to give a bad image to Islam.

How many of you believe this theory?

And do you really believe that they are muslims. ?? @Sky lord
it's not what i think. it's what my Prophet told me.

Our Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) already warned us about them called "KHAWARIJ''

يَخْرُجُ نَاسٌ مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ وَيَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الدِّينِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ ثُمَّ لَا يَعُودُونَ فِيهِ حَتَّى يَعُودَ السَّهْمُ إِلَى فُوقِهِ

There will come a people from the east who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. They will pass through the religion just as an arrow pierces its target and they will not return to it just as the arrow does not return to the bow.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 7123, Grade: Sahih


The Kharijite ideology is based upon the following evil tenets:

1. Declaring Muslims to be unbelievers.
2. Rejecting lawful obedience to the rulers.
3. Justifying violence against Muslims and innocent people.

In contrast, the Kharijites charge other Muslims with unbelief due to their sins or perceived sins in order to justify their merciless and criminal behavior towards them.

Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

وَالْخَوَارِجُ هُمْ أَوَّلُ مَنْ كَفَّرَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ يُكَفِّرُونَ بِالذُّنُوبِ ، وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِي بِدْعَتِهِمْ وَيَسْتَحِلُّونَ دَمَهُ وَمَالَهُ وَهَذِهِ حَالُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ يَبْتَدِعُونَ بِدْعَةً وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِيهَا وَأَهْلُ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ يَتَّبِعُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَالسُّنَّةَ وَيُطِيعُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ الْحَقَّ وَيَرْحَمُونَ الْخَلْقَ

The Kharijite sect was the first to declare Muslims to be unbelievers because of their sins. They charged as unbelievers whoever disagreed with their innovations and they made lawful the spilling of blood and the taking of wealth. This is the condition of the people of innovation, that they invent some religious innovation and then they excommunicate whoever disagrees with them concerning it. Rather, the people of the Sunnah and the community follow the Book and the Sunnah and they obey Allah and His Messenger and follow the truth. They have mercy upon the creation.

Source: Majmu’ Al-Fatawa 1/278

True Muslims have mercy upon the entire creation, including unbelievers and idolaters, but the Kharaijites have no mercy for those outside their group. They declare other Muslims to be unbelievers by misinterpreting and misapplying the verses of the Quran.

Al-Bukhari reported: Ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, considered the Kharijites to be the worst of Allah’s creation ..

Read this article about TTP declared "KHaWARIJ""

Are Pakistani Taliban the ‘Khawarij’ of today? | Wonders of Pakistan

 

[Ice Cube]

ISIS are sunni muslims who are very angry with the west for the wars in the middle east and even more angry with the shia who oppressed them under Maliki's rule. They are followers of sallafism, the intolerant regressive saudi ideology.

 

[RealNapster]

ISIS are sunni muslims who are very angry with the west for the wars in the middle east and even more angry with the shia who oppressed them under Maliki's rule. They are followers of sallafism, the intolerant regressive saudi ideology.