Do soldiers fall sick in 'normal' conditions?

[XenoEnsi-14]

Not the future American Super Soldier Elite Force, bred on the dark side of the moon.

 

[jhungary]

Haha..I see. Get used to it man, armchairs are the new metal ribbons . You have an absolute advantage over them. The practice of human margin in war. Thats what no academic can explain. 12 months was mandatory service.
Things we did in general was civilian/detainee evacuations after SOF cleans up the houses and MBT/HE ammo supply, EOD escort...etc. On summer when snow was gone from the heights, before an operation at a nearby town kicked off, the week before it they send us to take position at peaks to secure and maintain control/presence in hills so that infiltration and enemy fire from the heights was prevented. It was mostly like that. Cold and mud, nothing near setting course on a windy day at sea I suppose. But not much for a fighting man like you meh.


Honestly it did not go as I planned before. Normally former military personnel are prohibited from joining to career programs in the military by armed forces regulations and law.

Here's the part it gets political, I was thinking maybe if I go 12 months in dirt doing the mandatory service first and then jump on promotion exams. After the coup attempt there was a lot of bluffing going on that one was ex-musketeers like me could go legal and file a lawsuit against the perpetrators to get honorable discharge or even be reactivated but that went to the rubbish as well because in the end hundreds of cases like this would hit the government one day.

Besides, seeing a real day in the office for one year was clear enough for me that I was no longer wanting to be a part of this anymore. In the end its just blood and mud. And noone's gonna get you what you deserve for that. Furthermore you lose things and people both back front and in the field. I think you know it better than I do.

lol, tell me about it, you know the strangest things was? They seems to think they know more about war than I do, even tho a lot of them came from a background where they cannot even shoot a rifle right or zero a scope. I started to think my course is a joke, just because I do not have 4.0 GPA when I got in (I got 3.4) that means those peeps think they know about strategies and tactics and stuff more than I do.

Well, I still remember the first day I met them in a RA meeting, they have all sort of stupid idea about how to implement a strategy that would eventually cost you the war. I mean there exist a gap between what you think is happening in a war and the ground reality of what actually happens, oh well, they just don't care.....

Anyway, I don't have anymore classes with these armchair moron anymore, so I am not as "hostile" as before. I mean, at one point I was going to use what the army taught me to kill one or some of them.....That was when we have these stupid group project talking about strategic used in WW2.........I mean, I know how to fight a war, don't lecture me on it....I was in one.

Well, we did the same things, keep the main force off the SF and keep them supplied, Although we are also act as a QRF of sort, which I think from your words, you don't do.that. They are using you as a screen to their SF troop. I guess it works both way, as a screen, usually you go in high and tall, and if your some of them are going to see you as enemy don't fancy a fight, they will just melt away, but sometime they do fancy a fight, and they wwill try to hit you with whatever you got.

But I think your job is getting too political, especially after the coup, they tend to hand down a giant big hand over everyone after stuff like that happens, and put everyone under a microscope. And being a soldier, when things get too political, you simply don't want to fight anymore, because you go either way, there are no one's supporting you, I mean, people back home don't care about what you do because they have their own political affiliation Worse is, some of them are going to see you as an enemy. That, my friend, is the major blow

Well, maybe it's time for you to settle down and find something not that exciting at all, as my old CO said, you cannot fight all the time, some day the war is going to be over, and if that day happens, then you should find another hobby...For me, I just want to fight, everything come second, I don't care about the politics and if I cannot do that anymore, then it's time for me to move on.

 

[Neptune]

lol, tell me about it, you know the strangest things was? They seems to think they know more about war than I do, even tho a lot of them came from a background where they cannot even shoot a rifle right or zero a scope. I started to think my course is a joke, just because I do not have 4.0 GPA when I got in (I got 3.4) that means those peeps think they know about strategies and tactics and stuff more than I do.

Well, I still remember the first day I met them in a RA meeting, they have all sort of stupid idea about how to implement a strategy that would eventually cost you the war. I mean there exist a gap between what you think is happening in a war and the ground reality of what actually happens, oh well, they just don't care.....

Anyway, I don't have anymore classes with these armchair moron anymore, so I am not as "hostile" as before. I mean, at one point I was going to use what the army taught me to kill one or some of them.....That was when we have these stupid group project talking about strategic used in WW2.........I mean, I know how to fight a war, don't lecture me on it....I was in one.

Well, we did the same things, keep the main force off the SF and keep them supplied, Although we are also act as a QRF of sort, which I think from your words, you don't do.that. They are using you as a screen to their SF troop. I guess it works both way, as a screen, usually you go in high and tall, and if your some of them are going to see you as enemy don't fancy a fight, they will just melt away, but sometime they do fancy a fight, and they wwill try to hit you with whatever you got.

But I think your job is getting too political, especially after the coup, they tend to hand down a giant big hand over everyone after stuff like that happens, and put everyone under a microscope. And being a soldier, when things get too political, you simply don't want to fight anymore, because you go either way, there are no one's supporting you, I mean, people back home don't care about what you do because they have their own political affiliation Worse is, some of them are going to see you as an enemy. That, my friend, is the major blow

Well, maybe it's time for you to settle down and find something not that exciting at all, as my old CO said, you cannot fight all the time, some day the war is going to be over, and if that day happens, then you should find another hobby...For me, I just want to fight, everything come second, I don't care about the politics and if I cannot do that anymore, then it's time for me to move on.

I think I little bit see what you mean. When I first went to some school after the Naval academy, it was quite a political atmosphere which I was being insisted on not to get into. Some was saying "I am better off seeing men in green death". The fighting man is gone for good. You dont care, you don't react as long as it does not cross a red line.

Dude, QRF is the main reason I got sick of natural causes which is a bit of the topic here lol. We call it AMM which stands for Quick Reaction Platoon. 8 man squad with 2x IFVs. On rare occasions it gives you a day out, watching TV. But mostly sh.it always hits the fan at nearby towns or police calls for heavy firepower when their sf were busy, mostly as they are.

Excatly man, political affiliation nowadays is a headache and I dont want to be a part in neither side of it. Like you said, we gotta hold somehow, hotel security detail seems the most viable option for the time being.

 

[Purzay]

indian soldiers at age 20 are dying of heart attacks.

May be fear factor, Indian media reported many suicides also by the soldiers.

 

[jhungary]

I think I little bit see what you mean. When I first went to some school after the Naval academy, it was quite a political atmosphere which I was being insisted on not to get into. Some was saying "I am better off seeing men in green death". The fighting man is gone for good. You dont care, you don't react as long as it does not cross a red line.

Dude, QRF is the main reason I got sick of natural causes which is a bit of the topic here lol. We call it AMM which stands for Quick Reaction Platoon. 8 man squad with 2x IFVs. On rare occasions it gives you a day out, watching TV. But mostly sh.it always hits the fan at nearby towns or police calls for heavy firepower when their sf were busy, mostly as they are.

Excatly man, political affiliation nowadays is a headache and I dont want to be a part in neither side of it. Like you said, we gotta hold somehow, hotel security detail seems the most viable option for the time being.

Started to think school like that is for people who don't know anything, well, I am not saying I know everything about war, but in the battlefield, we access each other by ours wits and courage, how good you are being a soldier is directly related to how good you are reacting under fire, or how well did you discharge your duty. In school, it's the other way around, they may think they have all the answer because they got in the problem with a higher grade than you. They don't care about much else, which bugged me becasue, to be flank, I can read 100 books about warfare, but I learn just about that by spending 1 minute in a battlefield, underfire.

Not saying I am something special, I am just a normal guy surviving a war or two, nothing special about that, but these folk seems to think they are, because they have all that "qualification" and "answer"

QRF is fun, a lot of chance getting shot at. I was never a part of QRF as I was never an Army Ranger (I am ranger qualified). In the US, a QRF is a platoon of Ranger with 40 men, usually 2 10 men teams in a chinook or 2 blackhawk. And you will have 2 choppers in a QRF, with 2 helicopter gunship. Additional asset may be added depending on mission parameter. The reason being if one team got shot to shit, 3 other squad can fill its place.

Well, I tried just about everythign after I got out, ended up doing nothing........There are not much people outside require our skillset, Maybe Law Enforcement or Security seems like a good option, but for me, I just cannot bring myself to these type of jobs.

 

[Neptune]

Started to think school like that is for people who don't know anything, well, I am not saying I know everything about war, but in the battlefield, we access each other by ours wits and courage, how good you are being a soldier is directly related to how good you are reacting under fire, or how well did you discharge your duty. In school, it's the other way around, they may think they have all the answer because they got in the problem with a higher grade than you. They don't care about much else, which bugged me becasue, to be flank, I can read 100 books about warfare, but I learn just about that by spending 1 minute in a battlefield, underfire.

Not saying I am something special, I am just a normal guy surviving a war or two, nothing special about that, but these folk seems to think they are, because they have all that "qualification" and "answer"

QRF is fun, a lot of chance getting shot at. I was never a part of QRF as I was never an Army Ranger (I am ranger qualified). In the US, a QRF is a platoon of Ranger with 40 men, usually 2 10 men teams in a chinook or 2 blackhawk. And you will have 2 choppers in a QRF, with 2 helicopter gunship. Additional asset may be added depending on mission parameter. The reason being if one team got shot to shit, 3 other squad can fill its place.

Well, I tried just about everythign after I got out, ended up doing nothing........There are not much people outside require our skillset, Maybe Law Enforcement or Security seems like a good option, but for me, I just cannot bring myself to these type of jobs.

Ahh tell me about it. We will see it anyways. It was good to talk after a long while. We better not go offtopic anymorez

 

[gambit]

F You, you flyboys..........lol

When you are sick, this is how we take care of you...

 

[third eye]

I know even the cream of soldiers of army may fall sick in extreme conditions like say Siachen.

But I am talking about places of normal climate where civilians live.

Do soldiers fall sick in 'normal' conditions like say plains where snowfall doesn't occur?

And by falling sick I mean common cold or fever etc.

I find your question strange & unusual.

Of course soldiers fall sick/ unwell, only since they are in good physical shape they get well faster. Besides medical help is always close at hand so problems are invariably nipped in the bud.

 

[jhungary]

When you are sick, this is how we take care of you...

If I join the USAF, I would blitz this obstacle course.

lol...........

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

indian soldiers at age 20 are dying of heart attacks.

If it is true than it's a revelation. Either those cases are exceptions or Indian army recruits substandard men to make up it's strength.

Or even fittest of people may die of heart-attacks. That means no one is safe from heart diseases.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

If it is true than it's a revelation. Either those cases are exceptions or Indian army recruits substandard men to make up it's strength.

Or even fittest of people may die of heart-attacks. That means no one is safe from heart diseases.

no. It means your soldiers are not tough and also they may have some mental pressures too. Indian soldiers don't get holidays regularly. And it's the main issue.

 

[Vassnti]

That's the claim of Stephan Talty, the American author who reconstructs the medical history of Napoleon's doomed Russian campaign in his new book "The Illustrious Dead: The Terrifying Story of How Typhus Killed Napoleon's Greatest Army." Talty carefully documents why 400,000 men never made it home. Like few historians before him, he illuminates the critical role of a tiny enemy: the louse.


In the end, the army's back was broken by neither the Cossacks nor the merciless Russian winter but rather by typhus exanthematicus, spread by crawling parasites. That's the conclusion of an investigation that began in 2001 with a gruesome discovery: A mass grave containing 2,000 corpses in the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius.

At first, excavators guessed the victims were killed by the KGB, or were Jews killed during the German occupation. But by examining belt buckles and uniform buttons with regimental numbers on them, archaeologists unraveled the mystery. The dead, it turned out, were soldiers of Napoleon's Grand Army.

Researchers took DNA samples from the teeth of the dead men. Further lab analysis revealed that many of the hastily-buried bodies carried pathogens consistent with what was known in Napoleon's era as "war plague."


In minute detail, Talty explains how a mixture of incompetence, mismanagement and the ignorance of the army's commander brought down an army that could populate a modern mid-sized German city. In the first week of the campaign alone, 6,000 men a day fell ill. "The numbers of the sick grew in overwhelming numbers, and they crawled along the road where many of them died," observed Belgian physician J.L.R. de Kerckhove.

"Napoleon doesn't give a damn how many of his soldiers are collapsing on the road," Westphalian batallion commander Friedrich Wilhelm von Lossberg wrote to his wife. The emperor had an unsentimental view of the sick and dying.

His team of physicians, many of whom were ardent believers in the obscure theory that "miasmas" of bad air spread diseases, were overwhelmed by the rapid spread of the plague. They were products of their time: No one had yet proposed the idea of germs, let alone the idea that illness might be spread by body lice. At field hospitals along the route, the seriously ill bedded down with men who were still halfway healthy, insuring that the most recent victims wouldn't be able to recover.

Miserable hygiene paved the way for widespread outbreaks of lice. Within 10 to 14 days, the first signs of infection -- high fever and crippling headaches -- began to emerge. Soon chills and exhaustion set in. Victims developed severe rashes and swelling; by the end they were so weak they could barely lift a glass of water.

Things are better now but if you go through a little military history, Diseases killed more soldiers than the enemy.