Do Eastern Europeans know they're vulnerable without the EU?

[vostok]

In geopolitics, what matters are practical and realistic issues, usually in terms of hard power.

And the thing is that no one can beat Russia in a ground war in Eastern Europe, and no outside power wants to fight Russia in a ground war in Eastern Europe.

Which means that you can't avoid making deals with Russia in that region of the world, otherwise it will just end up like Crimea all over again.

Crimea has absolutely nothing to do with it. Crimea is almost 100% pro-Russian region, historically owned by Russia. Eastern Europe is an entirely different matter.
I'm talking about the fact that, perhaps, the EU and even NATO expect some changes in the coming decades. And the states of Eastern Europe, in the situation of cultural expansion of alien elements from other regions of the world, will need to look for a strong ally that can ensure their safety.
Who can ensure the security or even survival of Eastern Europe in the world of the future? Russia and only Russia.

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

In geopolitics, what matters are practical and realistic issues, usually in terms of hard power.

And the thing is that no one can beat Russia in a ground war in Eastern Europe, and no outside power wants to fight Russia in a ground war in Eastern Europe.

Which means that you can't avoid making deals with Russia in that region of the world, otherwise it will just end up like Crimea all over again.

It goes other way around too. Russia is not going to fight NATO over Eastern Europe.

 

[Hindustani78]

First of all,most Eastern Europeans don't want to quit the EU, they just want normal things like border control, when we signed to be part of the EU we didn't sign for bringing half of Africa and the ME in here.

Second, as for holding historical grudges, again,this is not the ME, it serves no purpose to live in the past when you have to worry about today, only uneducated people keep only blaming the past for their current status.

EE doesn't push nationalism but more the ideea of Europe for Europeans.

In WW1 Western powers entered the war immediately after AH attack on Serbia, countries like Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia,Czechoslovakia regained national integrity after the fall of AH.

Actually its the Europeans who are flooding all over the world which i dont think can be continued because of the national security issues . EU block came into existence to stop the expansion of Soviet Union which we have been reading since the past 60 years.

Ancient Civilizations has felt the burden of colonization and at which rapid speed population transfers have to done to the old and new lands which has changed the demographics based on the skin colour. Problem is with European policies and they attitude towards people of other nations who are not white , foundation of present nations are on the basis of religion such as United States of America in which people are equal but the racial mentality is being used to shake foundation of nations and to create chaos.

All the talks about humanity and equal rights from European nations are not going to help for the future space missions to Moon and Mars . Actually its the East civilizations which has always thought in terms of equality and humanity.

Isa Ibne Maryam coming with Sword will be just because of racism and colonization towards the Eastern Civilizations.

Matthew 10:34
33 But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.
34 Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

 

[flamer84]

Because when the Brits signed up they didn't sign up to bring half of Eastern Europe either.

Yes they did.

 

[TMA]

First of all,most Eastern Europeans don't want to quit the EU, they just want normal things like border control, when we signed to be part of the EU we didn't sign for bringing half of Africa and the ME in here.

Second, as for holding historical grudges, again,this is not the ME, it serves no purpose to live in the past when you have to worry about today, only uneducated people keep only blaming the past for their current status.

EE doesn't push nationalism but more the ideea of Europe for Europeans.

In WW1 Western powers entered the war immediately after AH attack on Serbia, countries like Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia,Czechoslovakia regained national integrity after the fall of AH.

Oh but they who came up with the idea of the EU and they who have power want half of Africa and the ME coming to the EU.

 

[313ghazi]

Explain.....there's no such thing.

It's how a lot of the English feel about the Eastern Europeans. They don't want free movement of people either.

I personally am a fan of open borders. I have European neighbours and welcome the impact they've had on our local community (apart from the Roma gypsies). People only leave thier homes and travel to Europe because of European countries creating instability and hogging resources, forcing people to migrate to find resources and stability.

Frankly nobody would stop in Eastern Europe anyway, your countries are merely transit points to the real money.

 

[Hindustani78]

Oh but they who came up with the idea of the EU and they who have power want half of Africa and the ME coming to the EU.

The whole world is aware who are mistreating whom all over the world and that even United states of America is facing problems because of EU policies. Eu Governments cant play infront of big powers because they have already done damage to the future space programmes because of thier racial attitude towards immigrants.

One world policy we Indians, Arabs, Turks, Africans, Afghans will not accept on our ancient lands as our nations, religions, traditions and cultures are being disrespected.

It's how a lot of the English feel about the Eastern Europeans. They don't want free movement of people either.

I personally am a fan of open borders. I have European neighbours and welcome the impact they've had on our local community (apart from the Roma gypsies). People only leave thier homes and travel to Europe because of European countries creating instability and hogging resources, forcing people to migrate to find resources and stability.

Frankly nobody would stop in Eastern Europe anyway, your countries are merely transit points to the real money.

Open borders are not possible because of the current situation which are linked to national security and after the invasion of Ukraine , i dont think any nation will consider about open borders and actually we Indians are victims of proxy wars since decades and we have learn enough and are looking towards national security the most and even the same United States of America is looking for.

 

[mike2000 is back]

The British and their Western allies didn't do anything when the Slavic countries were being swallowed by the Axis Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary and their allies) and wiping 60% of the population or later the Nazis.

What should we have done? Germany had signed a non aggression pact with the Soviets so they could carve out eastern Europe and Scandinavian to their liking. If we had gone to war against these two big powers over the invasion of these slavic countries then we would have been in big trouble figuring hundreds of miles away from our he soil trapped between these two big powers(closer to their home soil).
So no sorry, we were not ready for a suicide Mission. Lol

 

[KediKesenFare3]

The most funny thing is that Eastern Europeans really believe that they are independent and sovereign nations.

 

[bobo6661]

Stupid article who cares if we are vulnerable without the EU or not ... If they do a referendum and people will want to get out even if its for better or worse nothing can stop it ... And after its all about who is in charge and how capable they are.

 

[vostok]

Many people here think that in the days of socialism in the 50-80s, the Eastern European countries lived at the level of African countries. It is not true. Of course, sitizens of these countries lived worse than in Holland or Denmark, but not worse than in Spain, Italy or Portugal in same time.
By the level of education, development of sport and culture, social security, Eastern Europe was not inferior to Western Europe and much better, than Southern Europe.

 

[flamer84]

Actually its the Europeans who are flooding all over the world which i dont think can be continued because of the national security issues . EU block came into existence to stop the expansion of Soviet Union which we have been reading since the past 60 years.

Ancient Civilizations has felt the burden of colonization and at which rapid speed population transfers have to done to the old and new lands which has changed the demographics based on the skin colour. Problem is with European policies and they attitude towards people of other nations who are not white , foundation of present nations are on the basis of religion such as United States of America in which people are equal but the racial mentality is being used to shake foundation of nations and to create chaos.

All the talks about humanity and equal

Many people here think that in the days of socialism in the 50-80s, the Eastern European countries lived at the level of African countries. It is not true. Of course, sitizens of these countries lived worse than in Holland or Denmark, but not worse than in Spain, Italy or Portugal in same time.
By the level of education, development of sport and culture, social security, Eastern Europe was not inferior to Western Europe and much better, than Southern Europe.

Going back even earlier, pre WW2, countries like Poland, Romania were producing airplanes,cars,trucks, Czechoslovakia was one of the most industrialised countries in the world,even so that in the beginning of the war the Wehrmacht relied on Czech tanks.

According to most (muslim posters ) EE is just a wasteland and Westerners utterly hate us ,although we can even see in the microcosmos that is PDF that there are no major problems between European posters,@Vergennes, @DejanSRB @Penguin @mike2000 is back @A.P. Richelieu @SMS Derfflinger @proka89 @Louiq XIV @Taygibay ,although we may differ in opinions, some of us are more conservative, some are more liberal.For real contempt,please press 1 and visit the ME section.
Even in communist times EE was heavily industrialised,today EE surpasses in every parameter most countries that posters in here like to insult us without having a leg to stand on.

I've heard it all. .."you were just a buffer zone traded in the world wars".....at least we fought the world wars in the name of our countries while they were colonies fighting for the colonial masters...."you EE countries are shitholes ",while they come from countries with half the literacy rates than us and which still have diseases eradicated in here 40 years ago,"you are not real Europeans "....because. ...hey! An average poster says so,not geopolitics, not history, not international treaties,not geography. ....

It boggles the mind. ...

 

[DejanSRB]

@vostok @flamer84

We dont need to enter disscusions like this.
It is useless. Only Poland give more to the world in 20th century then all of third world countries combined, and just put aside Russian contribution to the world in terms of art, science, culture which was greater then all third world countries contributions in WHOLE SECOND MILENIUM.
When Zvorkin worked on TV, Tesla on alternative current, Coanda on airplane, Maria Curie on radiology, our part of Europe was on the same level of technology of Western Europe.
And WE ARE EUROPEANS, we was, we are and we will always be.
What is Europe without Dostoyevski, Tesla, Coanda, Tolstoy, Tschikovsky, Landau, Suvorov, Maria Curie, Kopernikus, Milutin Milankovic, Drazen Petrovic, Nadia Comenaci...
What would happen to Europe without Jan Sobieski, Vlad Cepes and Russian emperors, without Russian Revolution, Romanian Revolution, Solidarity in 80s...
Steaua and Red Star both won Champions League.
Partizan and CSKA Euroleague.
After Western Europe + USA, Central and Eastern Europe + Russia make greatest contribution in last 500 years. Maybe I am Serb, but when I go to South America or East Asia as a tourist, i declare myself as a European, just like Ayn Rand, Jan Sobieski, Sheakspeare, Bismarck, Bach, Mozzart, Mendeleev...it is part of our life. And even Europe was not fair on Serbia sometimes, it is our home. Most glorious and powerful place it will ever be. Period.

 

[flamer84]

@vostok @flamer84

We dont need to enter disscusions like this.
It is useless. Only Poland give more to the world in 20th century then all of third world countries combined, and just put aside Russian contribution to the world in terms of art, science, culture which was greater then all third world countries contributions in WHOLE SECOND MILENIUM.
When Zvorkin worked on TV, Tesla on alternative current, Coanda on airplane, Maria Curie on radiology, our part of Europe was on the same level of technology of Western Europe.
And WE ARE EUROPEANS, we was, we are and we will always be.
What is Europe without Dostoyevski, Tesla, Coanda, Tolstoy, Tschikovsky, Landau, Suvorov, Maria Curie, Kopernikus, Milutin Milankovic, Drazen Petrovic, Nadia Comenaci...
What would happen to Europe without Jan Sobieski, Vlad Cepes and Russian emperors, without Russian Revolution, Romanian Revolution, Solidarity in 80s...
Steaua and Red Star both won Champions League.
Partizan and CSKA Euroleague.
After Western Europe + USA, Central and Eastern Europe + Russia make greatest contribution in last 500 years. Maybe I am Serb, but when I go to South America or East Asia as a tourist, i declare myself as a European, just like Ayn Rand, Jan Sobieski, Sheakspeare, Bismarck, Bach, Mozzart, Mendeleev...it is part of our life. And even Europe was not fair on Serbia sometimes, it is our home. Most glorious and powerful place it will ever be. Period.

Indeed.Well written and to the point. I shouldn't even bother, especially today, which could be a great day if Simona wins the Rolland Garros

 

[DejanSRB]

Indeed.Well written and to the point. I shouldn't even bother, especially today, which could be a great day if Simona wins the Rolland Garros

I wish her all the best. Serbia is devasteted by Djokovic fail, he is out of top 3. This catastrophy is on the same level with floods three years ago.