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Lately, I have noticed some eastern European countries and the people are becoming more vocal about pushing European nationalism and criticize EU because of the way EU treat them recently. They want European countries to become more nationalistic and leave the EU so they could control the borders and curb the flow of immigration.

So, it got me into thinking how come eastern European countries don't hold any grudge against the Anglo-Saxon and Central European countries when historically, they have treated the Slavic people like animals? It's like they almost forgot about the past and how they were treated by the three powers (Western and Central powers and Russia). Take some Asian countries for example. The east Asians never forgive what the Japanese did to them, they still hold grudge and never trust them.

The Slavs have been occupied by multiple powers and there were almost no difference between these three powers when it comes marginalizing and subjugating the Slavic population. Out of all Europe, they have suffered the most casualties from the two of the most destructive world wars and it was not even soldiers but the whole population who were systematically oppressed because they were viewed inferior in the eyes of the three powers.

Whereas, when some of the Western and Central countries who were occupied by the certain powers like the Nazis or the British empire were treated much better and were viewed as a normal class citizen. There were much less casualties on the other side compared to eastern Europe.

The British and their Western allies didn't do anything when the Slavic countries were being swallowed by the Axis Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary and their allies) and wiping 60% of the population or later the Nazis. They stood behind and watch Europe go into flames and only entered the war later for their own interest. Even till this day, they're often looked down.

Yet, eastern European countries are still on the forefront of pushing European nationalism. It's like saying African countries wanting to go back to the days of European colonialism because the moment the West goes back to the way they used to be then eastern Europe is gonna have a hard time. The Polish discrimination after Brexit is just some example that resentment against Slavs is still alive.

There is a reason why Putin wants to see this happen again (hence all the anti-EU far rights are supported by him). So, Europe is the most peaceful and stable region on this planet in part because of the European Union and there have been no wars or death inside EU jurisdiction.
 
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First of all,most Eastern Europeans don't want to quit the EU, they just want normal things like border control, when we signed to be part of the EU we didn't sign for bringing half of Africa and the ME in here.

Second, as for holding historical grudges, again,this is not the ME, it serves no purpose to live in the past when you have to worry about today, only uneducated people keep only blaming the past for their current status.

EE doesn't push nationalism but more the ideea of Europe for Europeans.

In WW1 Western powers entered the war immediately after AH attack on Serbia, countries like Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia,Czechoslovakia regained national integrity after the fall of AH.
 
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First of all,most Eastern Europeans don't want to quit the EU, they just want normal things like border control, when we signed to be part of the EU we didn't sign for bringing half of Africa and the ME in here.

Pot meet Kettle.
 
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Brainwashing propaganda which wants to activate Slavic internal problems.
That's the reason why I oppose Russian medling into Arab problems in Syria, we should focus on ourselves, and we should form some kind of Arab league with all Slavic states from Czechia to Russia, from Belorus to Montenegro, with two main powers, Poland (pro western and Nato member) and Russia.
And we should kept all Non Slavs out of our bussines, with exception of Hungary, Baltic States, Romania and Greece.
Cooperation YES, but new proxy wars between Slavs NO.
I am not a panslavist, just want some deeper cooperation like Arab league, becouse in today world we Slavs are second largest group along Arabs after Han Chinese (470 millions Slavs around the world). And our capacity is many times more powerful then Arabian world.
 
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Brainwashing propaganda which wants to activate Slavic internal problems.
That's the reason why I oppose Russian medling into Arab problems in Syria, we should focus on ourselves, and we should form some kind of Arab league with all Slavic states from Czechia to Russia, from Belorus to Montenegro, with two main powers, Poland (pro western and Nato member) and Russia.
And we should kept all Non Slavs out of our bussines, with exception of Hungary, Baltic States, Romania and Greece.
Cooperation YES, but new proxy wars between Slavs NO.
I am not a panslavist, just want some deeper cooperation like Arab league, becouse in today world we Slavs are second largest group along Arabs after Han Chinese (470 millions Slavs around the world). And our capacity is many times more powerful then Arabian world.
Excellent dreaming power
 
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Brainwashing propaganda which wants to activate Slavic internal problems.
That's the reason why I oppose Russian medling into Arab problems in Syria, we should focus on ourselves, and we should form some kind of Arab league with all Slavic states from Czechia to Russia, from Belorus to Montenegro, with two main powers, Poland (pro western and Nato member) and Russia.
And we should kept all Non Slavs out of our bussines, with exception of Hungary, Baltic States, Romania and Greece.
Cooperation YES, but new proxy wars between Slavs NO.
I am not a panslavist, just want some deeper cooperation like Arab league, becouse in today world we Slavs are second largest group along Arabs after Han Chinese (470 millions Slavs around the world). And our capacity is many times more powerful then Arabian world.
Is it correct to compare the strength of Poland and the strength of Russia?
 
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Excellent dreaming power

Yes, I know, hate between Slavic nations is like hate in Arab world. Catholicism vs Orthodox, Communism vs Anticommunism, Shia vs Sunni....
Is it correct to compare the strength of Poland and the strength of Russia?

No, but you know that Poles would never accept some "Pan Slavic Union" becouse of "Russian hegemony".
 
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No, but you know that Poles would never accept some "Pan Slavic Union" becouse of "Russian hegemony".
It should be voluntary association - if someone is too proud to accept reality as it is, then it is better for them to remain outside this union.
I am sure that in the near future the European continent is expecting great changes and the European Union will simply not be able to give as much money to its southern and eastern members as it did in the past decade. So new members will have to make hard decisions.
 
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Eastern European countries can make a deal with Russia instead. After all, Russia has always been the dominant power there.
 
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They did few decades ago and turned out it was horrible.
Some Slavic Eastern European states exist on the map thanks to Russia. And in many Slavic Eastern European states states there is much warmer attitude to Russians than, let's say, to the Germans. Do you know why? Because the Russians, in turn, treat the Slavic peoples much better than the Germans did.
 
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Some Slavic Eastern European states exist on the map thanks to Russia. And in many Slavic Eastern European states states there is much warmer attitude to Russians than, let's say, to the Germans. Do you know why? Because the Russians, in turn, treat the Slavic peoples much better than the Germans did.
I am not Eastern European to answer that but my personal experience says something else.
 
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They did few decades ago and turned out it was horrible.

In geopolitics, what matters are practical and realistic issues, usually in terms of hard power.

And the thing is that no one can beat Russia in a ground war in Eastern Europe, and no outside power wants to fight Russia in a ground war in Eastern Europe.

Which means that you can't avoid making deals with Russia in that region of the world, otherwise it will just end up like Crimea all over again.
 
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